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There is one problem with said system's controller, the layout. We are not standing upright, in front of a arcade machine(with a slanted, stationary controller), having 6 buuttons layed out next to each other, is a very flawed design outside of a arcade setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Other then that It's awesome(the SNES controller shouldn't really be listed either though).
No one noticed, because both the 3-button and 6-button genesis pads were goddamn awesome. They never even popped into anybody's head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastardcat
Gonna have to disagree on that. In fact, I think they made the layout perfect for fighting games with the 6 button controller (I prefer the 3 button one... but still). The buttons are very easy to identify from touch alone. Doing that with 6 buttons is much harder than with 4, which is actually a testament to the brilliant design of the controller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
I'll agree that there's really no reason for the SNES controller to be there, although it's not very comfortable either when you're an adult (or a kid with big hands). It's designed for small children and it shows.
Still fits my man-sized hands just fine, and while it is a bit awkward for games like SF II, where two of the attacks are on the shoulder buttons, for the MK games it's perfect because that's what they mapped blocking to.
And I'm not saying the Genesis controllers are my least favorite, far from it. That spot belongs to the N64's mess of a controller. For me the Genesis controllers are somewhere in the middle.
DS buttons are hard? I guess they do get harder the further down you push but games generally don't need the full push of the button to register the command. That's why they are analogue... I actually think of them as pretty soft for most repeated uses in games. Only times you really have to push somewhat firmly is in like MGS games.
Soft tap = punch, soft press = grab, firm press = kill
Soft press = aim weapon, firm press = fire
Pretty effective and natural IMO.
They're overrated but still miles out of competition for the worst, just as the old Atari, Colecovision, and Intellivision controllers couldn't be included w/o gaining every vote. Or, rather, every vote save those from the lunatic Sony haters here. I've sincerely concluded that half the Sony bashing on this site is in lieu of the SNES bashing so many members are frothing for but is streng verboten. The other half of course is because "Sony killed 2d", ie the Playstation succeeded at 3D where the 32X wallowed in broken polygons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastardcat
I don't understand the mass Sony hating either; they're not exactly my fav company, I hate the PS2 hardware for instants, but still, there's alot of great games I wouldn't of experienced if it were not for Sony. As for the least fav pad of mine? The N64. I hate that pad with a passion, stupid analog stick & Z trigger placement, rubbish analog stick, etc. Come to think of it, although I quite like the GC pad, I hate the dpad - Nintendo didn't do themselves any favours making the thing so tiny; it's no wonder so many people call them a "kiddy company".
Out of this list, the N64 is definitely the worst, followed closely by the PS/2/3 pads.
Although they can't compare to the likes of these atrocities:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_60EdE-4xjw.../cd-i+move.jpg
or this colossal disaster:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X7VYgKg7QJ...Controller.jpg
With that said, I definitely have the most hatred towards the N64 controller (even though the above 3 are waaaay worse) because unlike the others, the N64 controller is the hardest to escape from. Don't like the PS pads? D-pad sucks? Buttons feel flimsy? Analog sticks sloppier than a porn star during a gang bang? Gives you a hand cramp because it's designed for Asians and little girls? No problem. There exist many 3rd party controllers that will allow to escape the clutches of its wretchedness. No one has to deal with it to play PS games unless they're masochistic and/or dumb. Even the CD-i has a decent alternative pad for you to use.
Now, back to the N64; take a quick look at ebay, and what you'll find is pages upon pages of various N64 controllers, both first and third party, that all have the same craptacular design and thus share the same flaws as the original controller. And that's the problem; you just can't escape from the damn thing. Even the one I now use, the Hori Pad, doesn't really fix most of the more severe problems with the controller. After years of having to deal with it I have definitely grown a strong hatred for the stupid thing, far more than any other controller.
Why can't I rep you 50 times?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuxius
Ditto. People act like the controller is the bane of their existence alone. Sure the D-pad sucks...but made for Asian girls? It's the exact same dimensions as the 360 pad. In fact MS made once made a controller that might accommodate everyone's "manly hands", and everyone hated it. Loose sticks? That's preference I suppose, but I can't imagine it braking game play.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Jackal
Frankly I do think the design could use an update for the better (longer handles, better shoulder buttons/triggers, a usable 8 way D-Pad), but It's a controller that I'm grateful for ever existing. Twin sticks analogue buttons, 4 shoulder buttons, built in rumble...most of this stuff is standard and still implemented by its largest direct competitor for a reason -- it gets the job done and it's been doing that for a generation before.
Pretty sure this has been discussed before. There's a reason the left analog stick on the 360 controller is where the D-pad should be, and the shoulder buttons and triggers are the way they are, and the handles are the way they are.
It's not so it's different from sony, it's that way because it's scientifically proven to be more comfortable (this experiment is repeatable, grab someone with little experience with either and they'll tell you the 360 controller is better).
3D games require extensive usage of the left analog stick (and much less usage of the right one). Your thumb starts hurting after awhile if you constantly use the left analog stick on the Dual Shock but not the 360 left analog stick. It's where it is for that reason. This is massively worsened by how sloppy the Dual Shock sticks are.
On the 360 controller your thumb is perfectly rested on the stick, on the Dual Shock you need to apply a lot more strength so there's no slipping (you don't notice this because you do it unconsciously now). Add in the handles for asian girls and you have a recipe for disaster because you can't hold the controller in a comfortable way. End result? PAIN.
And don't let me start on the awfully cheap buttons, specially the triggers. The 360 did triggers right.
There hasn't been a good D-pad since the Saturn days, so I won't even comment on that.
Funny how you guys think this is some mindless sony rant. I could care less about sony. The PS1 and 2 have a ton of good games, I just wish I didn't get hand cramps from playing them.
Nope...actually that was quite substantive, for the most part. I don't get the cheap buttons part though. I'll take the analogues on the DS3 any day. I also still think the the sticks are preference. I've played many games where I usually prefer the longer throw on PS control sticks. I've already said the shoulders and handles could use improvements and now that you mention the actual position of the left stick...Yeah I guess the positioning is more comfortable on the 360 pad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
I do think it is mindless Sony ranting when I hear complaints about it being "too small", "made for Japanese girls", "the buttons suck", "Stick are too loose"...and just leaving it at that without considering that things like analogue buttons longer stick throws work well for other people. Personally, I think the shorter stick throw on the 360 makes some games too twitchy for my liking, but I'm aware that other people get along fine with it and it's far from a game breaking aspect for me.
At times it's better I agree, but it's a very minor plus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Televator
N64, followed by PSX pads.
I like the SMS pad with the screw-in knob, but the later model isn't so great.
The Intellivision pads works great for Intellivision games, many of which relied more on a series of number pad buttons than "twitch" d-pad gameplay. Maybe they wouldn't work as well for controlling PS3 and 360 games, but we'll never know. One thing for sure, using modern pads to control many Intellivision games is a nightmare.
That's because ergonomics is the main problem with the PS pads, not size. To be specific, it's those damn handles that protrude out of the bottom of the thing. They're so short and so small in circumference, that holding a PS pad for any significant length of time becomes physically painful for anyone with larger hands. As far as size goes, many gamepads that shipped with consoles are even smaller, but they aren't ergonomic in a way that only allows people with small hands to use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Televator
Microsoft, on the other hand, made the exact same mistake in the opposite direction, creating a controller that only people with large hands could use.
Now both companies eventually figured this out, and created controllers to fix these issues, Sony enlarging the handles with the Dual Analog, and Microsoft shrinking theirs down with the Controller S. Unfortunately for the Dual Analog, the Japanese bitched and complained, and naturally Sony made the stupid decision to actually listen to them (sigh) and we got the garbage crap that is the Dual Shock, the design that Sony has used ever since.
My problems with the DS analog sticks have nothing whatsoever to do with the distance they travel. :p It's how they travel that's the major problem, not how far they travel. I could go into the logistics of it, but it would probably take a kool kitty sized post that no one would read anyway. ;) Every other quibble I have with the DS sticks carries over to just about all analog sticks, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Televator