opinion of virtual console?

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Originally Posted by Melf

ON TOPIC: Old School, don't pass over the new Blaster Master. It doesn't work with the classic controller (sucks), but the game rocks. I got it on launch day and really enjoyed it. I has that classic BM feel and looks and plays really well. Check out some Youtube videos before you write it off completely.

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I'm a 'looong'time fan of the original (which I have). I never beat it as a kid, and haven't loaded it up on my NES since I got it months ago.

I've seen vids of this new one and it looks amaaaaazing.


BUT WHY do I have to use the bloody uncomfortable stock Wii controller? WHY?
I HATE the stock Wii controller turned sideways. It wears on my left thumb in under 20 mins everytime.

Was playing Wario last night (the Wii one, shake it) and the game is amazing in every way, except the controller sucks.


Why can't Nintendo make a Classic controller with the same functionality as the stock Wii controller:confused: I'd pay $50 for that.

It is pretty odd that you can't use the classic controller on the new Blaster Master. That's really an oversight by Sunsoft rather than Nintendo though. As far as I know, the VC version works with the classic controller. I'm assuming that since all NES games are supposed to work with that controller.

While we're on the topic, when is Nintendo going to release an OS update that allows for classic controller support of GC games? I know that's a bit of a pipe dream, but it would be nice to be able to put the Wavebird away. Less clutter equals a happier gamer :)

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

While we're on the topic, when is Nintendo going to release an OS update that allows for classic controller support of GC games? I know that's a bit of a pipe dream, but it would be nice to be able to put the Wavebird away. Less clutter equals a happier gamer :)

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Never. The Wii doesn't use an OS behind the software it runs.
When it boots a disc, the 'home menu' itself is run from the disc, when it boots a Gamecube game, it runs directly off the hardware. This is why you can't access the home menu, shut the system down remotely, etc.

It's actually impossible for them to implement.

I guess that's the necessary sacrifice for perfect (excluding wacky accessories) backwards compatibility. I do love my wave bird, it's just so much simpler to have one "traditional" controller lying around.

I wouldn't say it's a necessary sacrifice. More like lazy, cheap and short sighted. They were pumping their conceptual paradigm shift, while disregarding practicality.
This is why they suffer with a lack of functionality, and security compared to the competition in this generation.

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

It is pretty odd that you can't use the classic controller on the new Blaster Master. That's really an oversight by Sunsoft rather than Nintendo though. As far as I know, the VC version works with the classic controller. I'm assuming that since all NES games are supposed to work with that controller.

While we're on the topic, when is Nintendo going to release an OS update that allows for classic controller support of GC games? I know that's a bit of a pipe dream, but it would be nice to be able to put the Wavebird away. Less clutter equals a happier gamer :)

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Well, I went to buy it and it said it was only compatible with the normal Wii controller so I didn't touch it. Nintendo confirmed with me today that it only works on the stock Wii controller. :| Giant pantload.

That'd be pretty cool, but would render the controllers I bought for GC gaming useless, lol. I like the GC controller for everything EXCEPT for fighting games.

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

Never. The Wii doesn't use an OS behind the software it runs.
When it boots a disc, the 'home menu' itself is run from the disc, when it boots a Gamecube game, it runs directly off the hardware. This is why you can't access the home menu, shut the system down remotely, etc.

It's actually impossible for them to implement.

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oh... bummer :?

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

I wouldn't say it's a necessary sacrifice. More like lazy, cheap and short sighted. They were pumping their conceptual paradigm shift, while disregarding practicality.
This is why they suffer with a lack of functionality, and security compared to the competition in this generation.

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What do you mean specifically?

Are we talking about the same Blaster Master old school? There is a VC version that is basically identical to the NES original (but with one added bonus, courtesy Vic Ireland), and then a reimagining/sequel WiiWare game. I may be off, but I can't imagine the NES original doesn't allow for CC support.

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

Never. The Wii doesn't use an OS behind the software it runs.
When it boots a disc, the 'home menu' itself is run from the disc, when it boots a Gamecube game, it runs directly off the hardware. This is why you can't access the home menu, shut the system down remotely, etc.

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What about going into the home menu when NOT booting a disc?
Plus they could (and have iirc) implemented updated on-disc OSs for newer games.

And what do you mean by shut the system down remotely?

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

What about going into the home menu when NOT booting a disc?
Plus they could (and have iirc) implemented updated on-disc OSs for newer games.

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It's hard to explain in detail, nor am I qualified to do so since I've only 'glanced' through the details of it. Basically there's no 'centralized' menu behind all games, they each run their own revision off the disc/download whatever. That's what you see when you hit the 'Home' button in-game.

On the Wii itself, each revision of the updated software 'download', doesn't overwrite the older revision, they're all still in memory, still exploitable/bootable/whatever.

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And what do you mean by shut the system down remotely?

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Power button on the Wii-mote to shut it off. Gamecube won't recognize any of it, so neither does Wii when running Cube games. :p

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

Power button on the Wii-mote to shut it off. Gamecube won't recognize any of it, so neither does Wii when running Cube games. :p

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are you aware that the power button on the Wiimote doesn't turn it off, it just puts it into "sleep mode" where it gets super hot because the fans don't run? To fully turn it off, you have to push the button on the console and hold it until it turns red (not yellow like with the Wiimote). I've seen people reporting read errors and game crashes from leaving it in the amber-light "sleep" mode rather than turning it all the way off and once they started turning it all the way off, it worked fine.

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

are you aware that the power button on the Wiimote doesn't turn it off, it just puts it into "sleep mode" where it gets super hot because the fans don't run? To fully turn it off, you have to push the button on the console and hold it until it turns red (not yellow like with the Wiimote). I've seen people reporting read errors and game crashes from leaving it in the amber-light "sleep" mode rather than turning it all the way off and once they started turning it all the way off, it worked fine.

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Sleep mode sucks... iirc it didn't even exist early on or could be disabled. (I remember single push to red light -if not with the remotes as well)

IMO stand-by shouldn't exist on the wii or should be optional. (you should be able to choose when it updates and such) If it needs an update it should also be able to boot from being off and do the update. (that's what PCs do... -well for automatic updates and tune-ups -if you enable them)

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

Are we talking about the same Blaster Master old school? There is a VC version that is basically identical to the NES original (but with one added bonus, courtesy Vic Ireland), and then a reimagining/sequel WiiWare game. I may be off, but I can't imagine the NES original doesn't allow for CC support.

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We're talking about the new "rebirth" one... not the VC version of the NES game.

About the whole unneeded sleep mode crap, I just unhook the power plug from the back, and by all means, omg "ALWAYS!!!" take the batteries out of the wiiremote when not using the wii, otherwise it will eat your batteries.

Anyone who gets into Virtual Console IMHO should check out the controller adapters on www.raphnet-tech.com

They have tons of different ones, and even a fully working Genesis to Wii adapter.

Windows Vista = Windows 7
The only difference from a users perspective is the task bar.

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Originally Posted by PimpUigi

Anyone who gets into Virtual Console IMHO should check out the controller adapters on www.raphnet-tech.com

They have tons of different ones, and even a fully working Genesis to Wii adapter.

Windows Vista = Windows 7
The only difference from a users perspective is the task bar.

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Kind of expensive, but wow, they are awesome, didn't know companies actually made such controllers.