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04-26-2010, 12:46 AM
PimpUigi

I still wonder what grade Mr. OldSchool is in...
04-26-2010, 02:14 AM
OldSchool

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

What? he's flip flopping like crazy. One minute he's calling everyone retarded for not buying physical copies for PC, now he's going bananas (suggesting he will spend $100+) for DLC on a console. This is like if I all of a sudden said the iPhone sucks and the Wii is the best system ever. The reason I'm annoyed is because he jumped up my ass for saying cheap DLC is OK and now he's completely condoning it. If you want to have strong convictions (like I do), that's fine, but don't completely revert to the very thing you were hell bent against 5 minutes later.

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"OldSchool, we're not so different you and I"

You need to pipe down and keep up with what I've said.

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Originally Posted by PimpUigi

I think Virtual Console would be cooler if they put out more uncommon games that are extra rare, like MUSHA and Moonwalker for instance.

I don't know much I can say about Virtual Console that hasn't already been said.

Tie Fighter and X-Wing would be cool to put out on virtual console...they would be interesting games that could take advantage of Wii controls.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Even though I'll never use the service, I'll second that. solid point

Also, if Nintendo wants to sell something that's non tangible, they should offer a written guarantee that the user can transfer the purchase from Console to Console in case something happens to the Console that the game is DLed to.

I was wrong when I said I'd never use the service... but I agreed that buying uncommon and hard to find games are solid enough reasons to justify DLC purchases 'FOR CONSOLE' based games mind you. Nintendo satisfied my questions today in regard to me being able to back up my DLs and being able to recover them in the case that my Wii ever dies.

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Originally Posted by PimpUigi

I still wonder what grade Mr. OldSchool is in...

How's that blazing $600 computer working for you... lol
04-26-2010, 02:29 AM
17daysolderthannes

I'm sure at least one person already mentioned that you can back up the downloads and re-download them if your console dies, but that's still reliant on volatile memory and Nintendo's willingness to support Wii VC/WiiWare after their new system is out. Thus, I am only willing to buy "OMFG MUST HAVE!" games on WiiWare and similar services and if they are available at very low prices.
04-26-2010, 02:43 AM
Smii

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

3. Ninja Fighter? (can't remember the name) There is a bad pop in the "go" sound effect, it's not the end of the world, but it sucks if I stand still because that sound effect sounds nonstop.
4. Ninja Commando - I am PISSED!!! There is a HORRIBLE Tearing effect at the top of the screen as I push forward through the game. I'm going to rip through Nintendo tomorrow.

I think I want my $18 back for both of those Neo Geo titles... if they're going to halfass ports, then fuck them. If I have to cancel the whole credit card purchase, I will. They're not keeping my money (definitely the $9 for Ninja Commando) for a game that has Tearing... fuck that.

They're not Neo Geo "ports", they're just emulated roms - and I'm sure you're aware that this type of thing is pretty common. Perhaps you should check out opinion of these things online before buying them? Admittedly I'm not sure how much of that is out there; I've never used the Wii VC, except once to download SMB for someone (don't have a Wii of my own) but it just makes sense.
04-26-2010, 02:58 AM
kool kitty89

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Originally Posted by Smii

They're not Neo Geo "ports", they're just emulated roms - and I'm sure you're aware that this type of thing is pretty common. Perhaps you should check out opinion of these things online before buying them? Admittedly I'm not sure how much of that is out there; I've never used the Wii VC, except once to download SMB for someone (don't have a Wii of my own) but it just makes sense.

And inferior emulation to the best available for PC at that. So, if you're totally gung-ho about obtaining *some* physical copy to own it legially, find the cheapest format, but play it on the best afterwards... (and/or emulate that format)
That's technically not legal either and not feeding money into the current owners of the compyrights... (or Nintendo -etc) but... I'm leaving it at that. ;)
04-26-2010, 03:29 AM
17daysolderthannes

just puttin' this out there: the 6000+ MAME ROMs torrent is great :D

If only people would learn to listen to me sometimes, crises could be averted, but no, I'm just a blabbering mental patient, that's all, my input should mean nothing.
04-26-2010, 03:46 AM
PimpUigi

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

just puttin' this out there: the 6000+ MAME ROMs torrent is great :D

If only people would learn to listen to me sometimes, crises could be averted, but no, I'm just a blabbering mental patient, that's all, my input should mean nothing.

According to OldSchool that's "stealing" and stealing is wrong.
But I must be a blabbering mental patient as well if Mame means one is mental.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

How's that blazing $600 computer working for you... lol

How cool would it be if someone else could answer this one for me??? Rep to the one who makes a comment that pleases me.

BTW Mr. OldSchool, you still haven't told me what grade you're in...:(
04-26-2010, 03:55 AM
17daysolderthannes

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Originally Posted by PimpUigi

According to OldSchool that's "stealing" and stealing is wrong.
But I must be a blabbering mental patient as well if Mame means one is mental.

Stealing like recovering treasure from a 300 year old sunken pirate ship is stealing.
04-26-2010, 04:07 AM
OldSchool

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Originally Posted by Smii

They're not Neo Geo "ports", they're just emulated roms - and I'm sure you're aware that this type of thing is pretty common. Perhaps you should check out opinion of these things online before buying them? Admittedly I'm not sure how much of that is out there; I've never used the Wii VC, except once to download SMB for someone (don't have a Wii of my own) but it just makes sense.

I suppose I should have... but still... Nintendo shouldn't be selling a broken product. I'm not paying for bunk emulations.

Guys, I just don't want to rip anything off... plain and simple.
04-26-2010, 09:14 AM
Melf

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

Yeah, but XBL isn't free like Wii shopping or PSN... (or various PC download services)

And XBL silver account is free, and you can download the trial versions of every XBLA game for free.

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

Stealing like recovering treasure from a 300 year old sunken pirate ship is stealing.

Yeah, if the pirates who originally owned the ship still retain the copyrights and re-release it every so often for sale, then it's the same thing. Oh wait...

Not to get into the whole moral argument about emulation AGAIN, but some people simply prefer not to steal, and that's exactly what emulating ROMS is. This is a gray area, with different opinions about what's morally correct or not. I personally think emulation is great for preservation and research, but there are people who don't support it, as many companies are re-releasing their older catalogs.

We just shouldn't pretend that emulation is something it's not.
04-26-2010, 09:24 AM
retrospiel

The whole pirate analogy is pretty off IMHO.

Pirates stole manufactured goods which weren't of any value to the individual pirates aside of the resell value.

File sharing on the internet however is producing your own unauthorized copy which you then use for yourself.

That doesn't really change the fact that your copy is unauthorized, but it's certainly not the same as piracy.
04-26-2010, 09:42 AM
Phantar

Piracy: any robbery (or other violent action) for private ends and without authorization by public authority.

That's what Encyclopedia Britannica says, and I think it's applicable for both pirates of the sea and illegal internet filesharing (except for the violent action-part).
04-26-2010, 09:48 AM
retrospiel

I think the difference is the money part. File sharing rarely involves profit. Piracy sure did.
04-26-2010, 09:59 AM
MrMatthews

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

I was wrong when I said I'd never use the service... but I agreed that buying uncommon and hard to find games are solid enough reasons to justify DLC purchases 'FOR CONSOLE' based games mind you. Nintendo satisfied my questions today in regard to me being able to back up my DLs and being able to recover them in the case that my Wii ever dies.

I wasn't trying to call you out on anything earlier. There's nothing wrong with changing your opinion after learning about and considering new information. And to be honest, I've watched your opinion about the Wii and the VC change quite a bit over the past month.

So did you call Nintendo to ask about DLC? I've grown increasingly concerned about DLC-recovery lately and I've been considering asking them about it myself.
04-26-2010, 10:02 AM
Phantar

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

I think the difference is the money part. File sharing rarely involves profit. Piracy sure did.

If you look at the definition again, it says "for private ends"; it doesn't say anything about making profit.

If vikings raided a home and took all the goods, intending to use them only for themselves, they were considered pirates as well... they didn't make a profit from it, but they sure did damage.

Are "filesharing pirates" the same as vikings? Surely not in terms of looting and plundering, but in terms of acquiring for private means without intent of paying. "Piracy" does not mean "Stealing for profit", as you make it out to be.

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