Just curious what everyones opinion is. Do you like downloadable retro games or do you prefer the original carts for collectors sake. Personally I love the Virtual Console.
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Just curious what everyones opinion is. Do you like downloadable retro games or do you prefer the original carts for collectors sake. Personally I love the Virtual Console.
rip. off.
Buy the real games, play the ROMs, that's my take.
PC/Mac emulators offer way more flexibility and accuracy and best of all don't cost highway robbery prices. At least compilations for PS2, etc. give you a good bang for your buck (usually costing anywhere from a few cents to $1 per game) and you get a nice physical product to accompany it. A modded XBOX or a computer with a TV out is a much better solution than the Wii VC.
My VC motto is, "If I have the original system, I'll buy it on that. If only because the original hardware will ALWAYS have more titles available than the VC, despite obvious cost differences".
With that said, I've never bought a VC game before, but I've purchased a few WiiWare titles. I have Streets of Rage 3 and Donkey Kong Country from the previous owner. He barely used the Wii anyway.
I tried a few VC games and they just didn't "feel" right. Computer emu is definitely better in that regard.
I've vouched to only buy Wii Ware titles, and those must be absolutely awesome. So far, Contra and Castlevania Rebirths. That's about it.
...I also plan to buy Sonic 4 Ep1, but I'm very hopefull still that they may release these games as a compilation further down the line. That would be great.
I will admit there are a couple games I've downloaded on the VC that I like so much that Im considering buying the cartridge version. Mainly Streets of Rage 2.
I think the VC service is the greatest invention since the Xbox *is biased*
I only have 2 titles right now, Super Mario 64 and Wonder Boy in Monster World, but that number WILL be going up. I have a fresh 8GB SDHC card for things I plan on buying. I just wish there was a bit more FLOW of titles, you know?
Nintendo are some greedy mofos.
Anyway, I'm definitely against downloads and nonphysical media in general. I know that's where things are headed but I just don't like it. If I buy something I want to be able to hold it and look at it. I mean stuff like Steam is okay where you can have an account and you'll have those games "forever" but I'd prefer a real copy of the game.
I prefer owning the real hardware. I prefer paying $1-20 for a real Cartridge than $5-15 for a digital copy.
I just bought a Wii a week ago and have ZERO plans of ever using the Virtual Console feature. I have a NES/SNES/Genesis for a reason.
penny
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KEGA > VC
It's a convenient way for people to grab old games.
The argument supporting 'Getting a PC emulator/Roms' misses the point entirely. Pirating games is pirating games. As great as a modded Xbox is as an alternative, you could mod the Wii itself more easily. PC's aren't practical enough, Wii's are usually already in a home's entertainment center.
Ideally one would have a quiet PC hooked up to an HDTV with wireless KB/Mouse/controller setup, but that's not the demographic the Wii is sold to.
I agreed with that myself, but then Blaster Master, Megaman, Final Fantasy IV:TAY happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
And then Ys Book I&II, Lords of Thunder, Castlevania Rondo of Blood happened.
And then...Damn :(
I think it's the best thing ever, and I don't even own a Wii myself.
In a true retro spirit, the worst thing about the Virtual Console is the godawful job that Sega of Europe and Sega of America do when publishing these games - with their original back cover texts! All other games by Nintendo & co. get nice introductions that describe what the games are about and the circumstances under which they were released. The Sega games however have the original brain dead back cover text from the 90s which in most cases had as much to do with the games themselves as did the awful covers that SOA and SOE slapped onto the games: Nothing.
Plus Sega of Europe managed to faithfully reproduce even the most idiotic localization terrors of the golden days... - Which means that while TG-16 is 60Hz, NES games have the music adjusted to 50Hz, and SNES games are adjusted to 50Hz in both gameplay and music only Sega's games are 50Hz without any speed adjustment to music and gameplay nor screen size which provides you with huge PAL borders for the classic 90s widescreen experience with the original super deformed characters!
But they didn't stop there: We also get the original 199x translations of SOA's back cover texts in all it's broken glory. :(
THAT is the TRUE retro spirit. Better not forget to cut the wire for the right speaker of your Wii RF cable for real mono sound.
Hey, at least Wonder Boy III: Dragons Trap on SMS has the FM sound option in the emulator. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Christuserloeser
We should thank M2 for that: http://www.mtwo.co.jp/
....but yeah, great that it did make the jump. I definitely did not expect that to happen. :)
like most people, i prefer original games on original hardware
but rare and import-only games at affordable prices?
yes please!
castlevania x, musha, super mario bros 2j, alien soldier, gley lancer, pulseman, sin and punishment, super fantasy zone
all for ten dollars or less?
how can anybody be against that?
If I have the original system, I'll buy the original carts unless it is something expensive or rare. I really do like the emulation for most games, on a SDTV with component it plays almost perfectly.
My Wii is hacked though... if I own the cart I will install a wad if I want the game on the Wii. If I don't own the game I'll still buy it (Like Dracula X.)
The only games I'd ever buy on the VC are ones that never got released here and/or are for systems I don't own, like Rondo of Blood, Gradius 2, and Alien Soldier.
It's cool if I don't own the original system but I'd like to play one of the games. I have about half a dozen games on there. It's pretty convenient.
That's actually a really, really good point and I can't fathom an argument against it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisbid
I decided that I'd simply have to live without those. Musha would be cool, but I've got enough Shooters... the Castlevania game from what I read isn't one of the best in the series, and I've got just about all of the rest (or will by the time I get my N64), so I'm cool not having it.
The only expensive one I want right now is Megaman X Collection for PS2, but I'd rather not pay $60 for it.. that's a giant pantload. I might end up paying that price though, lol... if I don't see it anywhere else for cheaper in the next couple months. It's 8 games so...
The Megaman X 2 and 3 games for SNES are retardedly priced considering the above Compilation comes with all 3 and 4 other Megaman games.
Solid point though:!:
That's a really borad statement... There were soem poor translations and we've been throught whole box art issue, but there are tons of exceptions to that... and there were some cases (especially for SMS games and some EU MD releases) where the box art was the JP version or a slight modification thereof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christuserloeser
My problems with VC: preces aren't what they should be IMO... especially for some games and considering the emulation quality and lack of added features in soem cases. Playing NES games in component or S-Video with the original resolution is nice though, no nasty dot crawl, but original 240p on SDTVs.
My brother buys them mainly beacuse we haven't yet gotten the games for NES... or soem befor I got them for Genesis (sonic 3), and because he hasn't had a working PC to emulate on for the last year or so. (the latter is probably the main reason as he was playing plenty of ROMs and rom hacks, and several games on Fusion -last being Chaotix, after I introduced him to that)
My dad was supposed to rebuild his PC, but poor grades led to lack of insentive among other things. (I think i tmainly needs a re-install of XP)
I stand by my comment. I always blush when reading this stuff! I am thinking of mostly the European back cover text though... - How is it possible that I am ashamed for the incompetence of others ?
The box art stuff is so terrible it isn't even funny. I could turn practically all the covers of the Japanese MD library into posters and they'd look AMAZING, when many of the EU/US covers A) look okay at best, and/or B) don't represent the games they were used for.
I agree that there are exceptions though where they used the Japanese artwork with little but decent changes (Sonic 1 PAL, Revenge of Shinobi, Castle of Illusion), or where the EU/US covers look about as good as the Japanese originals (Quackshot, World of Illusion).
EDIT - Just browse Guardiana's database for a while and you'll see what I mean: http://www.guardiana.net/
EDIT #2 -A reinstall of XP is among the simpler tasks in fixing a computer. I'd try it asap so the poor guy got a working computer again. Not having a computer surely won't help with getting better grades.Quote:
I think i tmainly needs a re-install of XP
I figure it's a good way to play Rondo of Blood and Musha.
You've read wrong. It's the best one of the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
It's not 'Castlevania Dracula X' for SNES, it's Castlevania Dracula X Rondo of Blood for the PCE.
The PCEngine/TG16 version is excellent. Even if it's not in english, it's actually 'fun' to play.
The SNES version took the sprite & music ideas, threw it into a poorly designed typical Castlevania style linear platformer. It looked and sounded alright, but it was crap compared to the source material.
I haven't read many of the manuals, so I cant really comment there. (Alien Storm is the only non-sonic boxed game that's not a US/EU developed release)Quote:
Originally Posted by Christuserloeser
I think it's a matter of taste, but there was tons of stuff that could be taken either way, or at least looked OK on the western releases. (NES/SNES stuff has this too -especially NES)Quote:
The box art stuff is so terrible it isn't even funny. I could turn practically all the covers of the Japanese MD library into posters and they'd look AMAZING, when many of the EU/US covers A) look okay at best, and/or B) don't represent the games they were used for.
I'll admit there's a lot of cheezy box art out there, but of that not THAT much is inaccurate in terms of depicting gameplay, and in some cases, it does a better job of that than the JP covers, though the latter may still look nicer and cooler.
The Sonic 1 cover of JP vs US for example.
Now, I'm not sure what the EU sonic MD cover looked like, but the SMS Sonic 1 cover is one of my favorites: simple and clean with a good adaptation of the classic JP box art. (which ended up a lot closer to the US styled Sonic than early incarnations it seems)
We had that whole thread comparing some hundred or so covers already too. ("box art that americans just f***ed up" iirc)Quote:
EDIT - Just browse Guardiana's database for a while and you'll see what I mean: http://www.guardiana.net/
Well, I'm not exactly sure where it's at: the plan was to take the best portions of my old PC and his and combine them (both used similar PCI+AGP Socket A motherboards using DDR).Quote:
EDIT #2 -
A reinstall of XP is among the simpler tasks in fixing a computer. I'd try it asap so the poor guy got a working computer again. Not having a computer surely won't help with getting better grades.
And no, having a computer wouldn't really help with school: he has access to the family computer whenever he needs it for studying and limited access for entertainment (which he tends to overuse as it is). He's got a semi-addiction to youtube stuff in addition to games. (he's got 5 or so different letsplayers he's constantly trying to watch -and a few others he watches occasionally)
In fact, my dad had to hide my laptop today as my 15-year-old brother was using it without permission while I was at school. (youtube I assume)
But enough on that. ;)
Yea, aside from the Nintendo channel(for those who don't know, It's the holy grail of game advertisement, and all the games are listed in a single site. If you are wondering what will be coming out within a yea, if It's on any nintendo system or owned service, odds are it will be listed, usually with trailers, interviews or gameplay videos as well), the VC is really the greatest thing ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christuserloeser
Don't get me wrong, I prefer the physical copy like most people, however the VC will help show these new school junkies, what good games really are (Luckily for the most part, the better Genesis games were pretty much submitted right away, but It's sad that only like one great a year is added for the SNES or NES, when there are so many "Greats", It's not funny. A bunch of companies are submiting just ok-good games, instead of their better stuff), which can only help the game industry as a whole.
Also the mere existance of the VC, combined with the wiiware service is helping to boost the retro game movement to hights, that would've taken years more to get to.
Like a few people are saying here, if I have the console I'll just get the original game. That is, unless, the game is extremely rare and would be a huge money saver if I got it off the Virtual Console. I've never bought anything from it, so I can't say anything from experience.
I will say I like WiiWare, though I'm a little wary of what might happen eventually if/when the flash memory wears out. (though that applies to the entire system, not just WiiWare -other than WiiWare games not running on a non-hacked console that hasn't downloaded them at some point already)
I dislike Wiiware more than the VC, because generally speaking, a Wiiware release eliminates the possibility of a physical release, whereas VC releases are all games that have already had physical releases (so you still have that option if you want it).
I mainly use the VC for N64 games, because I don't have an N64 (not that many games I'm interested in), and it's nice to play them with de-blurred graphics and a non-shitty controller. However, the selection of available N64 games is pretty lacking, so I only have a few.
I like the VC because it saves shelf space. It's convienent, you buy a game you get to play it right away. Unlike purchasing a game from ebay then have to wait a week or so for it to arrive in the mail. I also think the save feature. Stop in the middle of a game and restart where you left off. Much better than an annoying password.
Yeah, but otherwise they'd just be downloadable PC games... It's a bit like shareware in the way they have episodic installments too. Granted, most share ware also has physical releases in the full form. (old share ware at least)Quote:
Originally Posted by j_factor
I mean it's no different for PSN or XBLA (except the latter isn't free).
A lot of these games wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the delivery method, or at least wouldn't exist on all the platforms they do.
Only a few of these games are actually any good, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by kool kitty89
And, I dunno, I keep hearing that argument, but I don't really buy it. I mean, all manner of shit has managed to find physical release. If Mad Dog McCree can get a Wii disc release (not to mention infamous nonsense like Ninjabread Man), then surely just about anything can. Episodic installments might be an exception, but they can and should (and occasionally do) release them in compiled form on disc.
PSX had a lot of budget releases, and some of them were quite good. The download services seem to have really eaten away at (physically released) budget games, which I think is a shame. I have World of Goo on disc for PC; it would've been nice if they'd released it for Wii. Even though it's cheaper on Wiiware, I prefer a $20 disc to a $10 download. And I think it would exist on disc for Wii if not for Wiiware. PSN and XBLA are arguably worse. When, for example, was the last time a puzzle game was released on disc for PS3 or 360? Last gen there were no qualms with full retail releases of puzzle games on consoles (sometimes with a lower price though). Now, it's not happening (outside of a few on Wii), and it's trending further in that direction. I see this is as sneaky backdoor transitioning to a download-only model by gradually chipping away at what will be released at retail. Of course, if you're in favor of digital distribution, you may not see the problem with that.
I'm going to second all of that. I have a problem with DLC if it gets in the way of physical distribution of games in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by j_factor
I don't look at DLC as a convenience in the slightest: I look at it as a way for Devs and Pubs to rent software to me all the while making it impossible for me to own the software on a medium of my choice. Coupled with very restrictive User License Agreements, it's a lose lose imo.
No kidding right. Well, this is part of the DLC 'plan'... to sell you a product that you don't own and according to these new and insane User License Agreements, aren't allowed to make backup copies of without being in violation of the Agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by kool kitty89
"shelf space" ? Honestly... are you going to buy 1000+ Games because I know what that looks like and it can fit in a single room.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared
Ebay/Online buying isn't the only way, there's first level retail as well... and nothing beats going to a store, shopping, and going home and booting it up.
Passwords don't bother me... I'd prefer a simple save honestly, but using Passwords adds a sense of nostalgia to the experience for me.
You're supporting Renting of Software when you support DLC Schemes.
:|
Passwords suck.
I don't see the big problem with DLC either. I prefer physical copies myself but it doesn't make sense to buy a warehouse just to store your game collection.
I don't think DLC will replace physical copies altogether. There will always be special collector's editions.
They definitely can if they're too long... otherwise, they don't bother me all that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christuserloeser
Lol... how many people actually collect 'that' much?
Seriously...
And 'none' of you are commenting on the concept of renting software versus owning a license to play it and make backup copies. :mad: ;)
That alone is an enormous issue.
Looking 20 years forward, I'm pretty sure all your hard drives have failed or have been sold/obsolete/lost. It's also unlikely that any of your burned CD's are going to work, not that you'd have a CD- or DVD-drive to hook up. Me? I still got my Atari carts from the 70's in prefect working order. :) It's easy to forget that your download content will be gone once you switch to a newer system or when the game provider decide to close it's servers.
passwords suck.
pressing save state on the password screen is awesome :cool:
anyways,
whatever platform you play SEGA on... is better than no platform.
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
with ea and sony starting to charge a fee for second hand software, people are now renting physical software as well
Biggest complaint I have over digital download only games: no used games to get on the cheap!
However, that's not a bad thing from the publisher's standpoint... (several companies have even actively attempted to limit used game sales int he past iirc)
Steam has insane sales all the time (one every weekend pretty much, and the sale the have during christmas is so outrageous that no retail store would even dream of it) but I do agree that when it comes to the 3 main consoles the prices are to constantQuote:
Originally Posted by kool kitty89
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisbid