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Now that I own all of the worthy Street Fighter games (minus one)... I've been wondering... do I really need SFIV?
I looked over the selection of 360 and P3 games at Frys last week (and was meh) and couldn't justify buying a P3 Slim at $300 just so I could play SFIV.
I've seen youtube vids and it looks totally badass.... but I've already got about 20+ Fighters I need to go through and enjoy for the PS2.
Is SFIV the bees knees?
So far, Street Fighter IV is the fighting game of this generation, period. Gameplay is perfect, I think it fits both hardcore and casual players alike. IMO it's awesome in all aspects, and it trumps all other titles graphically.
It just puzzles me to see so many criticism to how old versions of Street Fighter are better than SF4 and bla bla bla.
Utter bullshit. You gotta own it. Or better yet, wait for SSF4 because I think it's gonna be even more jawesum than SF4.
How many other fighting games do you own? (out of curiosity)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kollision
Its not as good as 3 or 2 or alpha but its still pretty fun
SF4's great, but I think you can live without it. If you already had a PS3 or a 360, it'd be a must buy, but I wouldn't recommend spending a few hundred dollars on a console just for that one game.
The thing is, it's still a Street Fighter game, and you can still play something just like in the collection you already have minus the awesome graphics and the handful of extra features.
I own Blazblue on the 360, but I've already seen the new Tekken and Soul Calibur, among others.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
None of those are as fun - or beautiful - as SF4.
That's the right perspective, criticts and gamers tend to blame post-sequels at all cost's and in the most justified way they find, which is a common mistake, truth is; it is a great game since it keeps the formula which is what mostly matters most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kollision
Anyone else?
I just received SNK vs. Capcom 2 for PS2... bout to load it up.
The day I get a PS3, I will for sure get SF4, but I'm still curious as to what peoples thoughts are on it being "the" definitive fighter of this generation of gamers.
(sidenote) I suck at fighters for the most part, on a scale of 1-10, I'm maybe a solid 4. Learning the controls and special moves etc... will take a looooong time for me on all of the games I've collected for PS2.
IMO, Street Fighter 4 is a disappointment in comparison to previous installments of the franchises. Street Fighter Alpha 3 and 3rd Strike still blow it out of the water. Characters are uninteresting, graphics meh, music poor to nonexistant, and gameplay has that blah 2.5D feel.
It's not as good as Virtua Fighter 5 but other than that I can't think of a fighter this generation that's better.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
I also suck ass at fighting games. The only one I was ever any good at was SNK VS Capcom: Match of the millennium on the Neo Geo Pocket Color, and that's probably because They streamlined the whole thing to work on two action buttons and, in My opinion, One of the finest d-pads My thumb has ever touched.
And then some asswipe stole My Neo Geo. If I find that guy, I'm gonna beat on him like Guile on Bison.....
As a kid growing up in the 90s, I can confidently say that "Street Fighter 2" was the definitive fighting game of that era. Yes, some may argure that Mortal Kombat was comparable in some respects but the truth of the matter was that Street Fighter 2 was the game that most people poured bags of quarters into daily. Each day there were a row of challengers to compete with you daily and each tried to hone their skills to a point where reaction time to a move became second nature.
Whether you were a onlooker or a player, you appreciated this game.
I personally liked what CAPCOM did to re-introduce a franchise to both the old and a new audience. They captured the feel of the old game and added a bit of the new.
Vibrant color and beaturiful graphics and gameplay make this a very fun game. For those willing to put hours into the game, you will reap even more enjoyment.
If there is one thing that I quite vexed about it is that CAPCOM did not release Super Street Fighter 4 which is truly the definitive game. If anything, this really should have been the game that was released initially since it boasts a large roster
Cashing in CAPCOM? For this reason I have decided to wait until the price drops considerably before I even decide to buy this version.
SF4 is far from a "bad" game(hm, did Capcom ever even make a bad game, can't remeber any), but It's also far from the best "Street Fighter" game. I would personally rate Soul Caliber 4 as not only the best fighter this gen, but It's such a well made game, It's also one of the best fighters ever made.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
In my opinion, the game is garbage.It's made by the same jerk who made CFE.It's more or less SF2, with a new coat of paint.You're better off playing something else(SF3/SFA3).
Oh well, I guess no need to start a new thread dicussing my disappointment about SF4, since you listed almost all my reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
However you did leave one out, how the hell does capcom go back to the old crappy super/response formula, after finally getting it right in 3rd Strike(3rd Strike seems to be the only actual SF game, that got the 2 motion/super response right, where all the other games, It's a crap shoot)?
That right there alone is a huge disappointment, but yea as you listed, there are a bunch of issues, however this one "directly" effects gameplay, while all the others only indirectly do so. I personally find SF4 to be one of the worse SF games.
No!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
wait what does this meanQuote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
The coded controls for supers, the response of the coded controls suck at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffy2k316
It is some uknown specified speed, so if you do the combo too fast it doesn't pick it up, and ofcourse if you try doing it slower, It's either not going pick it up or It's meaningless anyway, because you'll be knock out of the combo by a enemy, because you slowed down.
Supers are completely undependable in SF4(atleast the Alpha series with a simular issue, had the manual supers which were dependable, but this game doesn't even have that to make up for the flaw, not to mention the Alpha series were better designed games all together anyway, so we were willing to put up with it).
Now the sad thing is, after all those years of flawed control responses(with Supers only) with the actual SF franchise, they finally fixed that flaw perfectly in 3rd Stike, trying to do a super was no longer a crap shoot, but now they go back to the flawed control response formula for supers, WTF.
Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kollision
I'm glad I'm not the only one here who is unsatisfied with SF4. The thing I hated most about it was that Ono said in an interview that he planned to cater to fans of SF2 as well as SF3, which was a complete lie, as no SF3 characters were included, nor were any of it's gameplay mechanics like the parry system, which was a real slap in the face for 3S fans. Now that Dudley, Ibuki, and Makoto are in Super SF4, I have more hope for it.
I played it with some friends yesterday and was still a bit disappointed. Although I think I'll get more into it with the SF3 chars, it's still a bit on the slow side and pretty much requires an arcade stick to pull off certain attacks, some of which require you to break the game in order to successfully pull off in trial mode, lol. It's also not very balanced, especially when compared to, say, Tekken 6.
When I first played SF4, I had a fairly steady win rate of just over 50% online with Cammy. I had barely practiced and knew no combos. That kind of says something about it- that pretty much anyone can be decent at it. Because of this, I consider it to be more of a beginner's fighting game- more geared towards casuals.
It's not a bad game in any aspect, but as a fighting game enthusiast, I can't look at it seriously. It's definitely not a perfect fighter; I think Blazblue is the only fighter of this generation to come close to that title, but even that's geared more for the hardcore. It's your choice.
leaving out parrys was one of the only good decisions they made
OMG YES! I tried to explain this to this dumbfuck of a moderator at Racketboy. It started on SF4 for iPhone and he was complaining it was too hard to do specials or something and I said "I can do specials almost every time" to which he replied "almost every time isn't good enough" or some shit like that, then I tried to explain to him that in an intense fight with advanced players, you're going to miss specials from time to time, there's no if's and's or but's about it, to which he suggested I had "performance anxiety"...? I guess it just boils down to the fact that I can't stand people that have no idea WTF they're talking about and can't grasp that playing against advanced players or advanced AI you don't have all the time in the world to be perfect every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
While that's surely true, It's not what I was talking about, I'm not talking about human error or fighting a AI/good player knowing how to counter it. This game has majorly flawed coding, when it comes to controller response.Quote:
Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
If you can get a super off "almost" every time in SF4, that's pretty amazing (but also probally means you don't play MvC2 often, since being able to activate Supers in SF4 requires fairly slow comboing, slower then Advanced MvC2 players are used to that's for sure).
It's pretty bad,easily the worse response time formula in a SF game, oh god It's bad. Supers in SF4 are useless in battle, the best I can get it to, is an average of 1 out of 4 or 5 supers actually go off(rather it hits is another crap shoot, because usually you have to try a super a few times for it to work even once, so the odds are you'll miss your window anyway).
If you're in training, you could probally figure out the slower speed the coding wants you to put in the combo, but even so, It's still useless(It's a fast paced fighter, so if you are not allowed to put in the combo at lightling speeds, It's useless).
3rd Strike doesn't have that limitation, you can put the super in as fast as possible, and as long as you hit the correct buttons, the supers will go off every time without a hitch.
the regular supers seemed to me like they had the same timing as third strike (havent played in a few months though) but the ultras are definitely different (probably intended to be that way)
Wow, a 'lot' of interesting opinions from you guys... and all this talk about "specials" being more balanced in SF3 versus part 4 is WAY over my head (thankfully, lol).
I've got 23 fighters for the PS2 and 2 for Wii... I think I'm done, lol.
The day I get a PS3, hopefully, SSF4 will be around $20 sealed and I'll get it then.
I appreciate everyone piping in with their opinions :D
was fun to read
sidenote: I recently received Capcom Collections 2 for PS2 and it has the original SF game... LOL... I remember it feeling completely different in the arcade... man, talk about a blast from the past. The differences between part 1 and 2 are insane.
Anyhoot, here's to fighting games and all the enjoyment they bring us!
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http://www.videogamesnewyork.com/ima..._Pro_Stick.jpg
Loving my new stick!
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was doing uppercuts with ease after a few mins, I'm gonna love having a stick, should be fun for shooters as well
One thing I don't understand is why this Joystick is 'so' much bigger than the Hori stick I bought for my Wii. Anyone know?
^^^^
to weigh it down
Coming from someone who's favorite SF is Alpha 2, it's like this game was made for me.
Sakura, Gen, Dan, and Rose all in one game.
And now Ibuki and Makoto? How could I not love it?
The only thing missing is Karin.
Also, awesome fun fact: the Saturn USB controller is 100% PS3 compatible.
Nice, how much was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
Holy crap, you are ******* me, I so have to get my friends to buy them(I personally never owned a Saturn, so I don't know "how" good the Saturn conrollers are, but anything has to be better then the PS3 controllers. doesn't fix the SF4 coding issues, but atleast I wont have to deal with the crappy PS3 controller design flaws).Quote:
Originally Posted by cj iwakura
Haven't you noticed by now, literally everything that revolves arould Sony, needs to be bulkier(which inturn usuasly leads to being annoying to work with/around), they are trying to compenste for their short coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
Lol... not only is it bigger but it feels considerably heavier/strudier than the Hori Wii Fighter stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
I paid $120 for this puppy... all of the other similar sticks with plain and cooler looking/non gay artwork were $2-400 everywhere I looked. Apparently I missed the chance to buy those when they came out back in '06, and all of the gaywad Resellers of the world now have them and won't let them go without an arm and a leg.
This pink and imo (very feminine looking) PS2 fighter stick is the only current one I could find that wasn't being sold for an assraping. $120 was pretty damned expensive in my mind.... feels like I should have at least 2 quality sticks for that price.
The 2nd stick I buy for friends "lol... they're not touching my pink baby" is going to be a cheaper $40/etc stick.
Lol a pink stick omg, that's seriously one of the things I hate about jp only/versions produed items, their sense of style is well(there's really no nice way to say it) swings the other way(not surprising since Japanese men would rather watch porn, then be with their amazing womon, but still), I can't understand why they would think a flamboyant designed gaming controller would be a good move.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
Lol, you're gonna keep it.
Find me the same stick (non pink) NEW for $120 and I'll kiss your ass and bark like a fox. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
Lol yea, I believe you in, It's not gonna happen(finding a decent looking one for a fair price).Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
shoryuken.com's trade post is a good place to find arcade sticks
you could probably find one of similar quality for under 120 if you waited long enough
The Saturn d-pads are widely regarded as the best fighting game controller ever made. And with good reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
Never heard of it... but I've never seen a Saturn either so...Quote:
Originally Posted by cj iwakura
Sweet, what do they normally go for?Quote:
Originally Posted by cj iwakura
Edit: This can't be real, usb Saturn controllers only $10, average max price(before s/h), am I looking at the right controllers? Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Sega-Saturn-Cont...item2a06c7d31a
There are others as well(basically the same/different colour, all around the same price though).
The Saturn was a fighting game's fan dream at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
Arcade perfect Alpha 2(aside from some loading), X-Men VS Street Fighter, all kinds of good stuff.
And be careful about where you buy them. Some are bootlegs, and suck. Look for a black controller with the Sega logo.
If it has a USB, it's golden. It will work on the PS3. $10-$15 is the going rate, believe it or not.
Worth every penny.
Ok, thanks for the tip.Quote:
Originally Posted by cj iwakura
I can't seem to find any usb Black, NA sega issued controllers, are jp usbs the same/useable on NA PCs/systems?
PS. If I can't find a Black one, atleast I found some gray ones that look decent(I most deffinitely didn't want those ugly white ones lol, but the grey doesn't look that bad).
The Saturn controllers look like a highbrid between the old Genesis controller, and the later Nintendo controllers(Sega looks like they were going in the right dirrection overall, not just controller design, It's a shame Sega sucked so bad when it came to marketing).