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Yep, open those cheeks a la goats.exe, here it comes!
$500 gets you a basic package with a 20gig HDD. NO HDMI or Wifi support.
$600 gets you a 60gig HDD and all the bells and whistles.
Hmm...
LAWWL!
Sorry, but that's just insane. No way am I paying that much for a console at launch unless it blows me whenever I snap my fingers.
It'll still sell like underware (microwaved) on a cold saturday morning.
*pukes pants*
Oh well. I wasn't planning on buying one anyway.
*pukes pants again*
It gets better.
From Gamespot:
This is shaping up to be a cluster fuck of epic proportions.Quote:
The PlayStation 3 will come in two configurations, one will have a 20GB hard drive and the other will have a 60GB hard drive. However, losing 40GB isn't the only downgrade with the 20GB version. The 20GB version, priced at $499, will not have Memory Stick, SD, or Compact Flash inputs, Wi-Fi capabilities, or any HDMI output.
Jeez, and I complained about Xbox 360's price. $500 minimum? I really don't see it selling well at that price. A lot of people seem to be assuming it'll sell like crazy just because PS2 was the most popular system (remember Atari? remember Sega? apparently not). I just don't see it happening. That is just too much to swallow. Unless price drops are quick, I really wouldn't be surprised to see Sony finding themselves in third place. Few people want to spend that much on a console (just look at 3DO). A lot of people balked (and continue to balk) at 360's price point, and this is just extreme.
Btw, what the fuck is with this new trend of "buy a shit version of the console, or pay $100 more for the real thing"? Lame, lame, lame.
Word. I'm not falling for this shit, which is why I still don't own a 360. Pick your features and sell the console. Barebones and premium packs = retard packs.
Sony just went certifiable with this though. Weren't they the ones crying "you can't have HD without HDMI!" last year? Lols.
...And look where the Playstation 2 Harddrive ended up.
Anyone remember when Sega announced the Saturn priced at $399, and then the Sony guy went up on stage and simply said "$299" and the crowd cheered?
Nintendo needs to do that right now. Go up and just say "$199".
This is Sony, which means it is great! The price is almost TOO REASONABLE! Sony says they will sell 6 million of these things in the first year alone, so you really don't have any choice BUT to buy one or two! You wouldn't want to let Sony down, would you?
The whole Sony press conference was very underwhelming and kind of boring. Very few interesting games. Most Sony-made games were either a racing game or a game with a gun. B O R I N G! You could tell the crowd was very bored and extremely unimpressed as well. I loved Sony's innovative new dual shock controller. That is far too innovative for the likes of me. Anyone else notice the delay in the controller tilt to when the tilt happened onscreen? I wish I could give Sony even more money.
The new Sonic looked awful, with the camera constantly circling Sonic for no reason. Can't wait not to buy it.
He's saying what we're all thinking!
Oh... what I've always dreamed... I hope these fanboys realize what Sony is doing to them!
It's just like them too, since the beginning. Suck em' in, suck em' dry, then tell them to go highend. They're now going to lose MOST of the children to college student market (which is most of it). I can't fucking wait... I CAN'T WAIT! I hate Sony, I hated the previous playstations, I hope this thing sinks like a God damn rock.
But I'm afraid it won't. People are going to buy it... and I have pity for these fuckwads.
The entire press conference was horribly boring. Did anyone notice only one person clapped when their "innovative" controller was revealed? I'm going to get a head start and start calling it the "Wii-Shock."
Even the new Sonic looked like another "Adventure" as predicted and I lost it when I saw Shadow. So much for getting rid of all those useless characters in this game Sega!
The fact that Final Fantasy XIII is getting press and we don't even have XII yet totally disgusts me as well. I'm sure they knew MGS4 wasn't going to push the system alone and they figured they'd need a Final Fantasy.
I was totally underwhelmed by the whole thing as well. "Look at how many PS2's we've sold! The PSP is unrivaled (I can't believe he actually said "unrivaled" Hello Sony, are you there? The PSP is currently the outsold underdog and Nintendo's releasing an improved version of their handheld at the same pricetag as the original version). Try and differntiate this generic car+gun game/hack and slash game from the last one! Oh yeah, here's Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII!"
I didn't expect Sony to do well, but I really didn't expect them to do this poorly either. For the first time ever I'm actually considering buying an X-Box 360. Nintendo and Microsoft really have a chance to step up today. This was the most important e3 for this new generation and Sony completely blew it.
Ripoff 1 or Ripoff 2? Uhm, I think I'll take what's behind door number Wii.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706133p1.html
E3 2006: PS3 Too Cheap -- Kutaragi
SCE boss has been talking again.
by Anoop Gantayat
May 9, 2006 - Krazy Ken's at it again. Following the surprise pre-E3 announcement of the PlayStation 3 price, Sony Computer Entertainment head Ken Kutaragi spoke with Japan's IT Media and offered up this beauty: "It's probably too cheap."
[...]
"This is the PS3 price. Expensive, cheap -- we don't want you to think of it in terms of game machines. Because the PS3 is like nothing else.
For instance, is it not nonsense to compare the charge for dinner at the company cafeteria with dinner at a fine restaurant? It's a question of what you can do with that game machine. If you can have an amazing experience, we believe price is not a problem.
When we announced the PlayStation price, it was said to be expensive. Same for the PlayStation 2. However, when released, both had sales that were unthinkable for previous game machines. This is because both offered experiences that could not be had on previous game machines.
With the PS3, you can have next generation game experiences that could previously not be experienced -- things like next generation graphics and various services via the network. And, as with the PS and PS2, we believe people who like games will, without question, purchase it."
Oh that kooky Kutaragi and his misguided vision of gaming's future. His unwavering confidence in the PS3's dominance ultimately boils down to the promise of "next-gen graphics and various services via the network." ..services for those that purchase the premium pack, perhaps.
I just finished watching it, and Nintendo's press conference this morning blew away Sony's "We're popular, look at the sales!" back pat-a-thon. I can only imagine the line-ups at Nintendo's Wii demo stations tomorrow.
Anyone else shocked at the lameness of that interactive card battle game shown off during the Sony conference?
What Ken is missing is that the PS1 and PS2 were innovative. The PS3 is nothing more than "ZOMG BETTER GRAFFIX and we have Square, so ~nya!~" The market is tired of the same old thing, especially at such inflated prices. $500 for the neutered version? No thanks. Same thing for the 360. I'll be siding with the Wii.
Correction: Sony blew themselves away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drixxel
PS1? Yes. PS2? Um...what did this thing do that the DC didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by extrarice
What Sony has truthfully been is lucky -- their competition at launch in 1995 was an arrogant-to-the-point-of-psychosis Sega and then, 5 years later, a Sega that was all but dead financially from the first encounter.
This gen is not starting out favorably in the least for Sony. 3DO pricing against competition that is right now, or will be, on the market at a much better price.
Nintendo has the promise of innovation and a far cheaper price tag. Microsoft has comparable horse power, what will almost undoubtedly be a stronger lineup of games comparatively during the launch window, an online infrastructure that Sony still is doing little to combat and pricing structure that now looks quite decent next to what Sony's trying to force on the public.
Sony has the brand name at the moment. Probably a big enough advantage to push initial shipments of hardware. But I seriously qustion just how big the market is at a $600 baseline -- they're gonna run out of customers fast.
Sony's got stiff competition from the starting gate. This is a first.
And not from one company, but TWO.
And right now, shocking as it seems, Nintendo looks to have a major chance at becoming the market's dominant player.
Well, if you asked me to choose between the three, I would have to say that Nintendo are currently playing things better then Sony ever did, even with the wii incident.
$500 is a lot to ask of anyone really, especially when the only real argument they give is 'We're Sony'. One only needs to look back at all the other game makers who did the same thing and got slapped in the case to realise that.
Yeah, the name of the machine almost makes me wanna shell out $600 for the competition. :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kikoskia
You think that's bad? Try $600 -- also known as "reality".Quote:
Originally Posted by Kikoskia
The "low price" version is stripped of so much functionality that you'd have to either be a masochist or a retard to slap down five hundred and change for it.
GTA will launch on a Microsoft system this time out.
Sony's looking more fucked all the time.
Maybe innovative isn't the right word. Though it did offer DVD support, HDD support, and backwards-compatability with PS1 titles. It sold mainly for reason 1 and 3 - it was a cheap-ass DVD player and instantly had a huge library of compatible software. The DC did not (as sad as I am to say it)Quote:
Originally Posted by 16bitter
I was considering it purely as a gaming device.Quote:
Originally Posted by extrarice
If we step outside that, then suddenly the PS3 looks "OMFG teh innovative!!!1111!!" with BluRay. Not that BluRay is really anything more than a generational leap; one that may become as outmoded by cultural forces as Betamax, minidisc and other Sony-invested, if not outright created, format disasters.
It's also rather pathetic that when the PS2 launched no other industry leader had carried over their software base to the next gen. Well, at least not Nintendo or Sega -- Atari was before my time.
Certainly, you're right in that those two software-driven features -- even though they weren't actually dedicated to what was supposed to be the PS2's main output standard -- helped to move decks to one degree or anothere depending on region.
But I think the biggest thing Sony had going for them the last two outings is timing. Today they are F'd in the A on that front, and the ironic thing is they couldn't possibly need a head start more desperately considering pricepoint and their dependence on the Playstation brand for corporate cash flow across the board.
Which is probably why the PS3, at least partially, is so expensive -- they're trying to technologically outdo a corporate giant that has unlimited cashflow to dump into hardware, whether we're talking about R&D or the ability to eat the manufacturing costs. Sony's now Sega as far as this comparison.
They'll still murder the 360 in Japan, but if they lose the US to Microsoft (or Nintendo, for that matter) they're toast in the worldwide market anyway. Losing GTA-exclusivity was a major blow.
Nintendo might actually have the best chance to take both markets. Megaton.
A lot of systems in the past had backwards compatability. The Genny could play SMS games, the Atari of course did, the SNES was supposed to but was scrapped at the last moment.
But really; Sony is just fucking arrogant. Just like the fanboys are arrogant. This arrogance blows Sega out of the water (and atleast they had an innovative and creative group of programmers to back them).
Can anyone say 1983?
I didn't count Genesis because it required that stupid adaptor.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordofduct
I figured Atari had it, but I haven't played one of their consoles since I was, oh, probably 7. I never had a clue as to which model it was.
Innovative may be a misnomer (as extrarice noted himself), but certainly backwards compatibility was a feature that two generations of console leaders messed up on before the PS2.
History is repeating itself, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by lordofduct
Right down to Nintendo as the most likely savior of the industry.
It does indeed seem like history is repeating itself from certain points of view. The industry is stagnating and Nintendo is changing everything.
I have my fingers crossed. This is the first time since the DS that I've seen something new, different, and genuinely fun looking.
If the gameplay really is as good as it looks and they get past all of the graphics-whore gamers maybe the "Wii" will be a "Revolution" after all.
I wish I could say all this without sounding like a frothing fanboy, but I really think the Wii is going to offer us something special.
The problem is, Sony wants everyone who goes to the drive through at BK - which is most everyone - to shell out the dough for dinner at a fine restaurant. Ain't gonna happen. Those who typically pay any price for new hardware will buy it, but my guess is that the masses are going to do a double take and looks elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by 16bitter
And before I forget: Fuck Sony.
For $600 I could upgrade my PC into a system impressive enough to out-do the PS3's graphical capabilities anyway. That's how nonsensical it is.
Or to put it another way, one more applicable to console gamers, for $600 I could buy a Wii and half (8-10?)the launch games. Sony is so fucked in the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obviously
Isn't this an outright lie? I already mentioned the E3 '95 incident. They got a standing ovation when they announced the Playstation price.Quote:
When we announced the PlayStation price, it was said to be expensive.
Also, did anyone notice this little tidbit from the Playstation 3 specs?
2x blu ray drive, which means about 72 mbps of data access.
Holy crap that's slow. PS3 games are on these huge, several-gig discs, and the drive is only about 50% faster than PS2's DVD drive. That's around half the speed of 360's DVD drive! Didn't they make some comment a while back that blu ray would mean superfast data access that would totally blow away DVD technology? I predict longer load times on PS3.
Wha Wha Wha?Quote:
Originally Posted by lordofduct
Did you just call somebody else a fanboy? The only fanboy that I see is you.
Anyway, I hate two SKUS and I hate the fact that Sony is using the PS3 as a means to promote the Blu-Ray. However, they have the best developers and I will be forced into buying one, as will everybody else.
As for the Atari Reference: Games are much more popular now, they are now officially a hobby you spend money for. Hiking equipment sometimes costs in the thousands but people still buy it because it's the highest quality theres. Games are becoming more and more like that.
I don't hate Sony, I think Sony did the gaming world a favor when their system catered to story based games and I enjoyed the vast library that the ps2 had. I do believe that Sony made a few mistakes with the PS3, but people will buy as many as Sony makes because people have money and Sony has the name.
I hate to put a dent into the dreams of Sony Hating Fanboys, but it will sell well. And the gaming world will respect it (Fumitsu Ueda, Factor 5, Insomniac, Incog Inc.) more than Excite Truck.
Also, as I've been reading more of this Sony bashing thread. The Wii isn't all good. Several games have been horrible for the system (notably SMB, Red Steel, Excite Truck) and to call Nintendo a savior to a growing industry (which is not stagnating, it's called PC gaming) is WAYYY off the mark. Nintendo's console will prove identical to the "innovation" (in quotes because Nintendo itself did not come up with the idea, but rather implemented existing technology) of the DS. A mixed blessing, better for some things, opening up new doors, but being downright incompetent in other areas.
I'm also tired of the fact that people seem to think that E3 means something. Aren't the Xbots fond of stating how Halo was horrible at E3 yet bloomed into a swan? Can Sony not do that? Oh yeah, it can't, because it's Sony.
What a bunch of biased fanboys you all are. The fact that even one of you is wishing death on a certain company (especially one that did many good things for the industry) is downright disgusting.
Furthermore, Sony has the highest quality developers working for it right now. Factor 5 (creators of Rogue Squadron), Fumitsu Ueda (creator of Shadow of the Colossus), Incog Inc. (creators of Twisted Metal), Insomniac (creators of ratchet and clank). These developers have some of the highest pedigree in the world of gaming, and yet you all quickly write them off as nothing?
I don't hope anybody loses this "console war". I only hope that the people who posted here pack up and leave gaming forever. We (people who appreciate games) don't need the fanboys.
If there weren't fanboys then there wouldn't be console wars. If we lived in a perfect world we'd all buy every system and be happy.
Preaching against fanboys on the internet isn't ever going to get you anywhere. We've all done it at one point in time, and all we've gotten for our efforts is an all out flame war. And that's what they're looking for after all.
Personally I think the statement of Sony having the best developers is a bit subjective. I thought Shadow of the Colossus was great from an artistic standpoint but the game itself really wore on me after a while until I just couldn't get into playing it to the end. Ratchet and Clank and all modern attempts at mascot style 3D platformers don't really do anything for me, and my love afair with Twisted Metal died after the third game in the series. I agree they are great delveopers though, although Nintendo seems to be learning from the past and is supposedly rounding up some more third parties itself. Whether this is true or not remains to be seen and probably rides mostly on the Wii's success or failure at launch.
Excite Truck does look like an abysmal arcade racer, but as always Nintendo is promising quality with their more recognizable first party franchises. Whether you like it or not, Zelda, Metroid, and Super Mario and Super Smash Brothers are going to move systems. I believe Ubisoft's Red Steel COULD be an interesting title but apparently people were having some trouble with the controls. It's still early and things can change for all three consoles and Nintendo really emphasized that the controller wasn't quite finished yet. I hope it works out, because I really think playing first person shooter's with the Wii's control scheme would be fantastic. I love light gun shooters and traditional first person shooters and Red Steel and Metroid Prime 3 kind of combine them in a way.
I don't want Sony to fail, they've done a lot for gaming over the past decade, and to be brutally honest they won't because they still have unwavering support. From a personal and financial standpoint, I really can't get behind the PS3 right now. I don't like that they're pushing Blu ray on us this early and as a college student I can't afford an "investment" like the PS3 as Ken Kutagari put it. I like you Sony, but not that much. I mean when even the daily news paper of my small, rural, central PA town runs an article about how ridiculously expensive the PS3 is, you know you're charging a bit more than the average person is willing to pay. Sony's going straight for the hardcore gamer and the hardcore fan and no one else and I'm not sure that's in their best interests if they want a growing industry to continue to grow.
I also think it's kind of funny that the talented developers that you mentioned aren't going to get the spotlight on the PS3. It'll go to Konami and Square-Enix for Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII, neither of which am I interested in at all since I don't care for either series. It's the same with Nintendo's franchises though. The truly great and unique titles will remain in the background until someone who matters discovers them.
In my perfect world people will play the systems and games they want to play, and stop badmouthing the others. I make criticisms and praises, and I'll be biased at times because everyone is biased in one way or another with all things, but don't take my interest in the Wii and my less than excited feelings about the PS3 as fanboyism.
Those developers aren't nothing, but they're hardly the highest quality developers in the industry. Incog and Insomniac are both pretty much one-trick ponies. As much as I liked them, Ueda was only really responsible for two games. The developer of WipEout is probably more of an asset.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyDoesn'tDouche
Regardless, I don't think most people really consider a developer like Insomniac to be of a higher pedigree than, say, HAL.
I think it's a stretch to say that Sony did many good things for the industry. Just because people bought their consoles doesn't mean they were doing the industry a favor.Quote:
The fact that even one of you is wishing death on a certain company (especially one that did many good things for the industry)
Ummm... I'm not sure if you understand my cynacism.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyDoesn'tDouche
Being a fanboy would assume I obsess over some other console and hate all others because it isn't that brand (i.e. Sega fanboy... which I was in 5th grade.... 13 years ago). I am more just anti-rape the middle class. It's not like I just dislike playstation... I dislike Sony. Everything Sony. I hate Sony Xplod, Sony STR, Sony speakers, the Walkman trademark, SONY! Crap products at an exorbitant price.
Nobody's really forcing you to buy their hardware.
I stopped buying Sony products a few years ago, rarely have I gotten anything from them that hasn't malfunctioned.
I've found that many (not all) Sony products seem to have built-in obsolescence. They seem to break down and develop problems at a much higher per-capita than many other well-known name brand electronics manufacturers. However I have found that Sony does make a good TV. My HDTV is a Sony. Supposedly the best CRT ever made. Perfect? No. But damn good even if it can't draw a straight line to save its life. I've always had good luck with Sony TVs. But I don't know anybody (personally) whose PS1 and PS2 hasn't failed on them at some point.
For the PS3 I think the hardware will be good and the capabilities awesome, even if most games still run at 30fps and we keep seeing the same ol' glut of first person shooters and lap-based racing games. But they are trying to do with BluRay what they did with DVD, and the consumer interest for something like BluRay just isn't there. BluRay is 100% useless unless you have an HDTV. It's not going to sell buttloads of systems like DVD helped sell the PS2. This alone is why the system currently costs so much. I know of very few games that take up all 8.6 available gigs on a standard dual layer DVD. In time, more memory will be necessary, but right now isn't the time for BluRay. They are pushing it way too soon. PS3 will sell better than the 3DO, but people aren't going to want to spend that much on a game system. The mainstream gamer will shun it. It'll have a great launch just like any system where the hardcore will buy all the units, but can you see little Jimmy coaxing his parents into buying a $500 system? Do you think BluRay will persuade them? I don't. Sony is overestimating themselves. Personally I think it will be very entertaining to see how the PS3 does in it's first two or so years.
What's so innovative about the PS3 though? It has an online component it ripped off from MS, and a controller it ripped off from Nintendo. They then packaged it all up in an overpriced console who's lower-end model isn't even upgradeable with their own products!Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyDoesn'tDouche
Nobody's bashing Sony as a software developer. We're bashing them as the arrogant blowhards they are, which is the same thing that happened when Nintendo and Sega's heads got too big. Have you heard the stupid shit Ken K has been spouting? Get a second job to buy a PS3? It's priced too cheap? Fanboys aren't the one's bashing that bullshit, they're the one's defending it.
You're comparing a game that was months from completion with finalized hardware that's been priced. Apples and oranges friend, or do you expect there to be any price and hardware changes to the PS3 from here to November?Quote:
I'm also tired of the fact that people seem to think that E3 means something. Aren't the Xbots fond of stating how Halo was horrible at E3 yet bloomed into a swan? Can Sony not do that? Oh yeah, it can't, because it's Sony.
What has Sony done for the industry that any other company wouldn't have done had they been #1? Seriously, I'm curious. And who's wishing death on them? I said I wasn't going to buy their overpriced console. That's my right, and I suspect it will be the attitude of a lot of gamers come Christmas.Quote:
What a bunch of biased fanboys you all are. The fact that even one of you is wishing death on a certain company (especially one that did many good things for the industry) is downright disgusting.
What have they done since the incredibly mediocre Rebel Strike? What else have they done but RS games lately at all?Quote:
Furthermore, Sony has the highest quality developers working for it right now. Factor 5 (creators of Rogue Squadron),
Critically acclaimed, sold like shit.Quote:
Fumitsu Ueda (creator of Shadow of the Colossus),
What else have they done of merit?Quote:
Incog Inc. (creators of Twisted Metal),
One-trick pony whose latest idea for innovation is to make the fourth game in the series more like the first two!Quote:
Insomniac (creators of ratchet and clank).
These are all decent developers, but you'd have to be certifiably nuts to think that any of those games will counteract the sales monster that will be Halo 3. Like it or not, this game alone will likely sell more copies than the latest entries in all those series you mentioned combined. Halo 3 is a system seller, those games are not. Add the fact that the next GTA will launch on the 360 at the same time as on the PS3 and you cannot deny that Sony has taken two big blows this E3. Moreover, aside from MGS4, did Sony even show anything of note? I can't honestly think of any one PS3 game that caught my eye, yet I can name at least 4 for 360 and Wii that look great.Quote:
These developers have some of the highest pedigree in the world of gaming, and yet you all quickly write them off as nothing?
Now you're just being silly!Quote:
I don't hope anybody loses this "console war". I only hope that the people who posted here pack up and leave gaming forever. We (people who appreciate games) don't need the fanboys.
I've heard the "priced too cheap" comment but the "get a second job" really takes the cake. In case Kenny-poo hasn't noticed, many people these days are having a tough time fiding a decent first-job to live on! Second jobs all around for everybody! What a wonderful human being. :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
That is a great quote. If I believed in having a signature on each and every one of my posts, that would be part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
If they created Twisted Metal, then they did the first Warhawk on the PS1 I believe. I enjoyed Warhawk. However I have always hated Twisted Metal with a passion. I have never had even one enjoyable moment with that crap series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf