Worst Sequels?

The first that comes to mind is Strider Returns, Sonic 3D Blast, X-men 2: Clone Wars, any Spider-man game after Spiderman vs. the Kingpin 1991.


Strider Returns:
The original Strider is one of the best games ever made IMO. Capcom made this as an arcade and it got ported to the Genesis faithfully. Now take strider and give him bad controls, slow response, no robots. Take away the cool flowing level designs enemies and bosses. Not put him into crap levels where you fight little robots and explosions that are made only to anger and annoy you. Now you have Strider Returns, a game that you could not pay me to beat.

Sonic 3D blast:
The original Sonics are great and evolved with each title. You get to Sonic 3 & Knuckles a masterpiece! Now what do we have? A 3D Sonic game? Now we are talking! Let's get started! Wait, the point of every level of the game is to recue some birds 5 of them put them into a ring, then save 5 more birds put them into a ring then fight a boss with crappy game play and isometric fake 3D that is harder to control and can give you a head ache.
To defend the game, the boss fights are actually good, the bonus levels are fun to me and at least different than the other sonics and graphics look kind of cool. Still, a crappy sequel.

X-Men: Clone Wars. My favorite part about the original X-men game is that you have a limited amount of powers and have to save them and use them wisely. They were very powerful. In this sequel, you have unlimted powers but they are dumbed down and weaker. As you play you will find out that the levels and game play actually have been taken a notch down and it plays like SMS versions of Xmen, just as Sonics, streets of rage, altered beast, and many other games on the SMS that are inferior to their genesis counterparts in looks and gameplay.


Spiderman vs. the Kingpin is a complex game in a good way with and has great control and game play bringing you classic comic enemies to you. Every other spiderman genesis game sucks. The beat'em up spidermans really suck as well. Fighting idiot enemies with cheap moves which would be ok if you had some moves you could use but you don't.



To add a little, Golden Axe 3 is not as good as Golden Axe 2. In GA3 the magic system devolved back to part 1's style which sucks. The dragons now suck. No dwarf. WTF! Enemies have cheap moves. Graphics and sound are not as good. The ability to pick an alternate path on levels does nothing for me.

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Originally Posted by Sega Genesis

To add a little, Golden Axe 3 is not as good as Golden Axe 2. In GA3 the magic system devolved back to part 1's style which sucks. The dragons now suck. No dwarf. WTF! Enemies have cheap moves. Graphics and sound are not as good. The ability to pick an alternate path on levels does nothing for me.

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Oh, come on. There are a trillion of threads discussing this. The last one isn't even a week old:

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...476#post253476

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

They're all great and the original is, was, and always will be the original, and for its time (it was released in 1989!) it's a truly amazing port with almost arcade perfect graphics and sound. Too bad that it doesn't really control too well (for which the arcade original is to blame, not the port).

Golden Axe 2 is nice sequel that, while keeping the original gameplay intact, does offer new levels, new enemies and new music. You can definitely tell that the designers tried to stay true to the original with this one.

Golden Axe 3 was made by the same team that designed Golden Axe 2 but it plays totally different in comparison to the first two games! It is BY FAR the best in the series (on Mega Drive / Genesis).

If you are looking for a game to play with a friend that's close to Streets of Rage / Bare Knuckle quality-wise, than this should be your next choice.

A few of the backgrounds do look extremely bad though.

However, the sprites are on par with Bare Knuckle 2 & 3 and the music is just absolutely fantastic!



I'd recommend Sarah and Cronos (the panther), as the game is a good bit easier and a lot more fun with those.

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I am not quite sure how they managed to squeeze this game into 8 Mbit.

I always felt Streets of Rage and Golden Axe got better with every new game.

Sparkster certainly sucks dirty donkey dong compared to the first. Earthworm Jim 2 also takes part in this assery, turning the game into a weird mess of mini-games. Another is Toejam and Earl 2, which completely abandons the appeal of the first title for a generic platformer (gameplay, I mean). And lastly, Sonic Adventure 2 took everything appealing about the Sonic franchise away and turned it all into some emo 12 year old's fan fiction.

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Strider Returns:
The original Strider is one of the best games ever made IMO. Capcom made this as an arcade and it got ported to the Genesis faithfully. Now take strider and give him bad controls, slow response, no robots. Take away the cool flowing level designs enemies and bosses. Not put him into crap levels where you fight little robots and explosions that are made only to anger and annoy you. Now you have Strider Returns, a game that you could not pay me to beat.

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I agree

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Sonic 3D blast:
The original Sonics are great and evolved with each title. You get to Sonic 3 & Knuckles a masterpiece! Now what do we have? A 3D Sonic game? Now we are talking! Let's get started! Wait, the point of every level of the game is to recue some birds 5 of them put them into a ring, then save 5 more birds put them into a ring then fight a boss with crappy game play and isometric fake 3D that is harder to control and can give you a head ache.
To defend the game, the boss fights are actually good, the bonus levels are fun to me and at least different than the other sonics and graphics look kind of cool. Still, a crappy sequel.

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I disagree. This game is overbashed simply because it stars Sonic the Hedgehog. It's actually a decent game, it just gets repetitive after a while. The Saturn version has great music and excellent special stages. The only thing the game really is missing is a save feature.

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X-Men: Clone Wars. My favorite part about the original X-men game is that you have a limited amount of powers and have to save them and use them wisely. They were very powerful. In this sequel, you have unlimted powers but they are dumbed down and weaker. As you play you will find out that the levels and game play actually have been taken a notch down and it plays like SMS versions of Xmen, just as Sonics, streets of rage, altered beast, and many other games on the SMS that are inferior to their genesis counterparts in looks and gameplay.

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This I'll disagree with as well. The first X-Men game sucked, the controls were just bad. X-Men 2 played so much better, and it was so much easier to figure out what to do. And now I don't need to hit the RESET button to beat the game.

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Spiderman vs. the Kingpin is a complex game in a good way with and has great control and game play bringing you classic comic enemies to you. Every other spiderman genesis game sucks. The beat'em up spidermans really suck as well. Fighting idiot enemies with cheap moves which would be ok if you had some moves you could use but you don't.

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What you fail to realize is that Sega only made two Spiderman games: Spiderman on Genesis and Adventures of Spiderman Vs. The Kingpin on Sega CD. Every other Spiderman game on Genesis was made by that shitty sub-label of Acclaim called Flying Edge. Acclaim could not make a good game to save their life, especially during the 8-bit and 16-bit days. Even during the Saturn era they were notorious for shit such as Street Fighter: The Movie the game.[/QUOTE]

I hate the following sequels:
Golden Axe III (is utter tosh)
Sonic 3 (is dismal when compared to the awesomeness of Sonic 2)

Home Alone 2. The original was a fun and original little game, and the sequel turned into an unbearable run of the mill platformer.

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Sonic 3 (is dismal when compared to the awesomeness of Sonic 2)

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Well the GAIII issue was already mentioned, but now you bring up THAT which has come into contention even more often. :p

Is that Sonic 3 alone, or including 3&K? (I personally prefer it best either way, but 3&K is the deal breaker for many)



As to the OP, I'd say Yoshi's Story was crap compared to Yoshi's Island (perhaps not a direct sequel, but related and with similar game mechanics). Story is a kind of mediocre game that looks nice, plays OK, is annoyingly cute (not in a tasteful or amusing way), but in the context of a highly promoted 1st party Nintendo game and de-facto successor to one of the best SNES games (and one of the best 2D platformers period IMO), it's crap.


Super Pitfall may be a candidate as well. (its predecessors were simple, but fairly revolutionary for the platform genre, especially Pitfall II expanding into a full platform adventure with dynamic music on the 2600 in 1984 -and several other platforms)

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I disagree. This game is overbashed simply because it stars Sonic the Hedgehog. It's actually a decent game, it just gets repetitive after a while. The Saturn version has great music and excellent special stages. The only thing the game really is missing is a save feature.

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Totally agree: I rather like the game, though it does get a bit repetitive as it goes on. (I like the genesis special stage in spite of -or perhaps because of- it's extreme lack of difficulty, looks neat too -the PC/Saturn special stage has been commented on as rather difficult in general iirc -perhaps not as annoying as Chaotix)

It's a decent game, but not a characteristic Sonic game (neither is spinball), and honestly, graphically speaking it was a much better *response* to DKC than Vectorman as some tag that game. (too bad it came a bit late to really actually counter the hype of DKC -released around the time DKC3 and Vectorman 2 were, and is a different game in general, of course, though so is Vectorman)

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What you fail to realize is that Sega only made two Spiderman games: Spiderman on Genesis and Adventures of Spiderman Vs. The Kingpin on Sega CD. Every other Spiderman game on Genesis was made by that shitty sub-label of Acclaim called Flying Edge. Acclaim could not make a good game to save their life, especially during the 8-bit and 16-bit days. Even during the Saturn era they were notorious for shit such as Street Fighter: The Movie the game.

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I liked some of acclaims games: granted they didn't develop a fair amount of the games they published. And also note that they passed off a lot of their worst stuff in the NES years to the LJN label. ;)

Strider Returns & Dragon's Revenge they both just suck.

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Originally Posted by Sega Genesis

X-Men: Clone Wars. My favorite part about the original X-men game is that you have a limited amount of powers and have to save them and use them wisely. They were very powerful. In this sequel, you have unlimted powers but they are dumbed down and weaker. As you play you will find out that the levels and game play actually have been taken a notch down and it plays like SMS versions of Xmen, just as Sonics, streets of rage, altered beast, and many other games on the SMS that are inferior to their genesis counterparts in looks and gameplay.

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You're high. No wonder you haven't got any rep.

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Originally Posted by Sega Genesis

X-men 2: Clone Wars

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Wtf, are you daft?? If I could give you negative rep for that, I would.

Oh, agree with everything else. More or less.

As much as I love the PS series PS III is nowhere as good as it's predecessors.

PS III is good it just pales in comparison to the other PS games.

Double Dragon 3

It doesn't matter what system you play it on it still sucks.

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Sparkster certainly sucks dirty donkey dong compared to the first.

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Yes, Sparkster Genesis sucks terribly. Get the SNES version instead and imagine what could have been.

Hmm, I noticed I said a non-Genesis game. Pretend I agreed with everyone on 3D Blast.

Also the SNES Sparkster sucks worse than the Genesis one. The controls are all delayed and stuff. At least the other game functions despite poor design.

Neither Sparkster is nearly as good as Rocket Knight, but they're both decent enough IMO.

I was just playing Toejam & Earl 2 yesterday, and I love that game. It really has a lot going for it. It's anything but generic.

I'll repeat one that has been mentioned quite often, lately:

Mega Man 8.

http://i.neoseeker.com/screenshots/R..._8_image14.jpg

I still can't over this one, mainly because there are people out there who hold it on the same level as Mega Man 2 & 3. I mean, it's as though suddenly Capcom decided to make the Backyardigans audience their target demographic. Big, colorful, cuddly characters (friend and foe, mind you). Goofy, exaggerated voices (Um... Aqua Man?) Overly-cheerful, direct-to-DVD Disney soundtrack. An overwhelming infantile asthetic; all the worlds look as though they were constructed from toys.

My problem is that none of the other games looked or sounded like this, and it's not because they were on a less-powerful system. Mega Man 7 was a crap game, but it at least tried to keep in-sync with the look and feel of the previous games during the transition to 16-bit. Compare Mega Man 7 to Rockman & Forte.

That being said, I love Mega Man: Powered Up. That is Mega Man 8's style with the cuteness level bumped up to warp factor 5. The difference? It's not part of the "main" series. It's a remake. A re-imagining. It's like Lego Star Wars. That, and, for whatever reason, I just prefer that visual style to Mega Man 8's.

http://www.lovefilm.com/lovefilm/ima...03-5-large.jpg

Oh, I forgot to mention that, putting the new audio/visual style aside, Mega Man 8 is still just a crap game. The designers clearly put most of their energy into making the game look and sound a certain way rather than focusing on making the game interesting. People can trash Mega Man 6 all they want because of the stupid bosses and SSDD graphics, but when you actually sit down and play the game, you'll find that it is the most enjoyable game in the series since Mega Man 3.

Can't say that about Mega Man 8. You're either sold by the new look or you're not; there's nothing else for you there.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

That being said, I love Mega Man: Powered Up. That is Mega Man 8's style with the cuteness level bumped up to warp factor 5.

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Cute, but needs someone to hack this into it:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i.../juvimetal.jpg

(I'd also accept a regular Chibi Sonic, I s'pose :P)

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

I'll repeat one that has been mentioned quite often, lately:

Mega Man 8.

http://i.neoseeker.com/screenshots/R..._8_image14.jpg

I still can't over this one, mainly because there are people out there who hold it on the same level as Mega Man 2 & 3. I mean, it's as though suddenly Capcom decided to make the Backyardigans audience their target demographic. Big, colorful, cuddly characters (friend and foe, mind you). Goofy, exaggerated voices (Um... Aqua Man?) Overly-cheerful, direct-to-DVD Disney soundtrack. An overwhelming infantile asthetic; all the worlds look as though they were constructed from toys.

My problem is that none of the other games looked or sounded like this, and it's not because they were on a less-powerful system. Mega Man 7 was a crap game, but it at least tried to keep in-sync with the look and feel of the previous games during the transition to 16-bit. Compare Mega Man 7 to Rockman & Forte.

That being said, I love Mega Man: Powered Up. That is Mega Man 8's style with the cuteness level bumped up to warp factor 5. The difference? It's not part of the "main" series. It's a remake. A re-imagining. It's like Lego Star Wars. That, and, for whatever reason, I just prefer that visual style to Mega Man 8's.

http://www.lovefilm.com/lovefilm/ima...03-5-large.jpg

Oh, I forgot to mention that, putting the new audio/visual style aside, Mega Man 8 is still just a crap game. The designers clearly put most of their energy into making the game look and sound a certain way rather than focusing on making the game interesting. People can trash Mega Man 6 all they want because of the stupid bosses and SSDD graphics, but when you actually sit down and play the game, you'll find that it is the most enjoyable game in the series since Mega Man 3.

Can't say that about Mega Man 8. You're either sold by the new look or you're not; there's nothing else for you there.

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It is a game franchise for kids, not 31 year old men.

Personally I think Megaman 8 is fine and prefer it over the NES-style ones they release today (although the novelty of it was fun the first time).

I meant Sonic 3 alone is a tosh game.
Angel Island: Average at best, certainly nothing special.
Hydrocity: Tosh and tedious.
Marble Garden: Hideous in every way, especially the music.
Carnival Night: Casino Night - anything fun + water + barrel of doom + stupid cannon things = tosh.
Icecap: Good, but always seems awesome because the other levels in Sonic 3 are so bad.
Launch Base: Average, too long.
The whole game is far too easy and the only thing I really like about it is the final boss, which is cut out with S&K. The Special Stages are also really tosh.

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Originally Posted by Kogen

It is a game franchise for kids, not 31 year old men.

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Oh, that's right... I forgot that all these games were released this year! Stupid me. :(

MrMatthews, what 32-bit megaman games would you recommend?

I've been looking into getting one for my Saturn or PS1 and I'm not sure which one to get, or which version (the Saturn versions seem more expensive)

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I meant Sonic 3 alone is a tosh game.
Angel Island: Average at best, certainly nothing special.
Hydrocity: Tosh and tedious.
Marble Garden: Hideous in every way, especially the music.
Carnival Night: Casino Night - anything fun + water + barrel of doom + stupid cannon things = tosh.
Icecap: Good, but always seems awesome because the other levels in Sonic 3 are so bad.
Launch Base: Average, too long.
The whole game is far too easy and the only thing I really like about it is the final boss, which is cut out with S&K. The Special Stages are also really tosh.

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I like Sonic 1 (I like 1 the most) and 3 more then 2. All good games I just never get to into #2 while playing. To many of the zones suck IMO. Sonic 1 on the other hand is fun all the way through with great music.

Sonic 2 Zones
Emerald Hill Zone: Not as good as Green Hill zone with worse music
Chemical Plant Zone: Hate this zone (Should have been Genocide City Zone)
Aquatic Ruin Zone: Awesome zone when I was a kid and went through the bushes and leaves fell off I thought it was the greatest thing.
Casino Night: Solid zone kind of boring though
Mystic Cave Zone: Great zone everything after this is downhill IMO
Oil Ocean Zone: Hate this period (Should have been Hidden Palace Zone)
Metropolis Zone: Hate this period
Sky Chase Zone:
Wing Fortress Zone: average
Death Egg Zone: average

I really liked Sonic 3, the only exception being Carnival Night and that stupid, stupid, stupid, "barrel of doom"!!!!

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

I'll repeat one that has been mentioned quite often, lately:

Mega Man 8.

http://i.neoseeker.com/screenshots/R..._8_image14.jpg

I still can't over this one, mainly because there are people out there who hold it on the same level as Mega Man 2 & 3. I mean, it's as though suddenly Capcom decided to make the Backyardigans audience their target demographic. Big, colorful, cuddly characters (friend and foe, mind you). Goofy, exaggerated voices (Um... Aqua Man?) Overly-cheerful, direct-to-DVD Disney soundtrack. An overwhelming infantile asthetic; all the worlds look as though they were constructed from toys.

My problem is that none of the other games looked or sounded like this, and it's not because they were on a less-powerful system. Mega Man 7 was a crap game, but it at least tried to keep in-sync with the look and feel of the previous games during the transition to 16-bit. Compare Mega Man 7 to Rockman & Forte.

That being said, I love Mega Man: Powered Up. That is Mega Man 8's style with the cuteness level bumped up to warp factor 5. The difference? It's not part of the "main" series. It's a remake. A re-imagining. It's like Lego Star Wars. That, and, for whatever reason, I just prefer that visual style to Mega Man 8's.

http://www.lovefilm.com/lovefilm/ima...03-5-large.jpg

Oh, I forgot to mention that, putting the new audio/visual style aside, Mega Man 8 is still just a crap game. The designers clearly put most of their energy into making the game look and sound a certain way rather than focusing on making the game interesting. People can trash Mega Man 6 all they want because of the stupid bosses and SSDD graphics, but when you actually sit down and play the game, you'll find that it is the most enjoyable game in the series since Mega Man 3.

Can't say that about Mega Man 8. You're either sold by the new look or you're not; there's nothing else for you there.

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If I were Mr Smith, I'd demand you be banned. I love it because it's different from the NES games. Don't get me wrong, I love the 8 bit games, but enough is enough. The series needed to evolve. Did you want them to make it look and sound like a NES game? I can't stand MM9 and 10. They're two giant steps backward for the series. I take it you hate Rockman and Forte as well? On a separate note: your reasons for hating MM8 are exactly why I dislike Yoshis Island.

Sonic sequels were a natural evolution of the series both in terms of gameplay elements, graphics and level design.

all were good, the music on Sonic 1, 2 & 3were hit and miss id say though Sonic 1 has the lead for consistency but 2 & 3 do have some belting tunes.

Sonic 2 & 3 levels were alot more dynamic without breaking the formula. Had they of gone too far with gimmicks you'd get the Sonic games of today which = shite! they did restrain themselves and genuinly spent alot of time thinking of what they can do to improve it without getting stupid, so they introduced multiple routes which only 1 level had in Sonic1, but alas Sonic 2 literally had multiple routes in every Act, and the standard "Verticle passage levels" for instance Labyrinth Zone made complex which influences Chemical Plant Zone.

Bosses became more imaginative which included more usage of scenery.

I can't see how anyone doesn't like Sonic 2 or 3, especially since the level design of Sonic 3 is fantastic! simple enough for anyone to rush through and complex enough to see new things even after a few play throughs and discovering new routes to the point you could easily max out your 10 minute round time with investigating.

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If I were Mr Smith, I'd demand you be banned.

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If you were Mr. Smith, we'd be throwing garbage at Sonic 3 right now and you wouldn't care what I thought about any other game.

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They're two giant steps backward for the series. I take it you hate Rockman and Forte as well?

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Nah. I hate that it's so much like MM8, but R&F is definitely the better game.

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On a separate note: your reasons for hating MM8 are exactly why I dislike Yoshis Island.

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I honestly never got into Yoshi's Island. Or Kirby.

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

MrMatthews, what 32-bit megaman games would you recommend?

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For the PS1, definitely Mega Man Legends. Even Mega Man X4 (the best of the "traditional" Mega Man games from that generation) was still kinda meh.

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Originally Posted by Mr Smith

I meant Sonic 3 alone is a tosh game.
Angel Island: Average at best, certainly nothing special.
Hydrocity: Tosh and tedious.
Marble Garden: Hideous in every way, especially the music.
Carnival Night: Casino Night - anything fun + water + barrel of doom + stupid cannon things = tosh.
Icecap: Good, but always seems awesome because the other levels in Sonic 3 are so bad.
Launch Base: Average, too long.
The whole game is far too easy and the only thing I really like about it is the final boss, which is cut out with S&K. The Special Stages are also really tosh.

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Way more annoying/tedious stuff in Sonic 2/3 IMO. Again, for some it depends if you include S3&K or just S3, but I'm the latter (the former is better still).
I don't like parts of Sonic 1 that much, Marble Zone is really annoying in particular. Sonic 2, 3&K, and several of the 8-bit titles are more fun IMO. (the infinite continues and game saves are a huge plus for 3/3&K though, especially the multiple pass replay)
I'm not sure whether I like Sonic 3's special stages in 2 or 3 more, 2's are a bit difficult later on though, Sonic 1's are tedious and annoying by comparison. (for me, and my younger brother -who's far better at these games)

As for difficulty, that's a big part of why I like it: interesting and fun, but not annoyingly difficult. (the Save feature and infinite continues solidifying that -and tails being able to fly)
That's one reason I really love Yoshi's Island too, fun, well designed, imaginative game that's not overly difficult and has saves and level select, enhancing replay value substantially.

I'm not a big platformer fan, in part because my skills don't cater to 2D platforming very well, so games that aren't too difficult and don't excessively force repeat gameplay are god sends. I don't care much for SMW, SMB3, SMB2, SML, or SML2 -SMB only for nostalgia, I like many of the sonic titles due to the gameplay, but especially some that are more forgiving. (mid you I grew up all Nintendo with some PC games: NES then SNES in '96, N64 in '99)

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Originally Posted by 64k

Sonic 2 & 3 levels were alot more dynamic without breaking the formula. Had they of gone too far with gimmicks you'd get the Sonic games of today which = shite! they did restrain themselves and genuinly spent alot of time thinking of what they can do to improve it without getting stupid, so they introduced multiple routes which only 1 level had in Sonic1, but alas Sonic 2 literally had multiple routes in every Act, and the standard "Verticle passage levels" for instance Labyrinth Zone made complex which influences Chemical Plant Zone.

Bosses became more imaginative which included more usage of scenery.

I can't see how anyone doesn't like Sonic 2 or 3, especially since the level design of Sonic 3 is fantastic! simple enough for anyone to rush through and complex enough to see new things even after a few play throughs and discovering new routes to the point you could easily max out your 10 minute round time with investigating.

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I heartily agree! Some don't like the art design in Sonic 3 so much, but I find the mix-up refreshing (and a fair number of stages use more typical sonic art rather than the gritty look of Angel Island)

Sonic 3 was the first sonic game I played iirc: the Sonic3&K PC demo specifically. ;)

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

I honestly never got into Yoshi's Island. Or Kirby.

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Yoshi's island would be in my top 5 SNES games for sure, and top 5 2D platformers too: a good, fun imaginative game with lots of explorations, great level, art, and sound design, and just fun gameplay and control.
Yoshi's Story is pretty much TOSH by comparison.

Kirby Superstar is up there for SNES titles too IMO. (and it got a good showing on the N64 too)


As for Sonic sequels: the post Genesis games are another story... (or rather post Dreamcast -both the Sonic Adventure games were great 3D platformers IMO)

Hydrocity may be my favorite Genesis Sonic Zone. It's pretty, has good music, and you spend a lot of time out of the water going fast, so it's not tedious like Labyrinth. Stardust Speedway is my favorite of all, though.

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Originally Posted by 64k

Sonic sequels were a natural evolution of the series both in terms of gameplay elements, graphics and level design.

all were good, the music on Sonic 1, 2 & 3were hit and miss id say though Sonic 1 has the lead for consistency but 2 & 3 do have some belting tunes.

Sonic 2 & 3 levels were alot more dynamic without breaking the formula. Had they of gone too far with gimmicks you'd get the Sonic games of today which = shite! they did restrain themselves and genuinly spent alot of time thinking of what they can do to improve it without getting stupid, so they introduced multiple routes which only 1 level had in Sonic1, but alas Sonic 2 literally had multiple routes in every Act, and the standard "Verticle passage levels" for instance Labyrinth Zone made complex which influences Chemical Plant Zone.

Bosses became more imaginative which included more usage of scenery.

I can't see how anyone doesn't like Sonic 2 or 3, especially since the level design of Sonic 3 is fantastic! simple enough for anyone to rush through and complex enough to see new things even after a few play throughs and discovering new routes to the point you could easily max out your 10 minute round time with investigating.

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That is why I like Sonic 3 more then 2. You could literally take 10+ mins to finish a stage if you go exploring looking for secrets etc. Sonic 2 the stages don't feel much longer then Sonic 1. Sonic 3 really feels like a sequel. I am trying to word this right but Sonic 2 w/o Tails feels like an expansion almost to Sonic 1 there is a Spin Dash and not much else is new.

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That is why I like Sonic 3 more then 2. You could literally take 10+ mins to finish a stage if you go exploring looking for secrets etc. Sonic 2 the stages don't feel much longer then Sonic 1. Sonic 3 really feels like a sequel. I am trying to word this right but Sonic 2 w/o Tails feels like an expansion almost to Sonic 1 there is a Spin Dash and not much else is new.

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Less slow/tedious parts than Sonic 1 (like Marble Zone), or at least not as early on, and a cool Special Stage. (though the difficulty ramps up really fast)

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I am trying to word this right but Sonic 2 w/o Tails feels like an expansion almost to Sonic 1 there is a Spin Dash and not much else is new.

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I believe the word you're looking for is "rehash."

Edit: my own opinion is that Sonic 1, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and Sonic CD are more or less equally excellent (though for different reasons) while Sonic 2 falls short.

People still whining about the barrel in Sonic 3 on this site?

Real pros here!

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People still whining about the barrel in Sonic 3 on this site?

Real pros here!

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:lol: I didn't see that come up again, but that whole thing's ridiculous IMO.
I never even thought twice about that part of Carnival Night, and I'm not a particularly good platformer player. ;) (though maybe that's not the issue)

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If you were Mr. Smith, we'd be throwing garbage at Sonic 3 right now and you wouldn't care what I thought about any other game.

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:o Lies! There's always time to demand a good banning :ok:

I disagree with everybody who says Sonic 3 had a good level design. The game was split into sections focused on speed, sections on adventure and obsticles. Quite honestly I prefered Sonic 1 and 2 in that approach with the focus on speed and bouncing through levels as awesomely as possible, with the most complex puzzles being the occasional button to press to open a door.

Of all the games I've played on the Sega Genesis, I'd say Strider Returns, Golden Axe 3, and Streets of Rage 3 were the worst sequels I've seen.

For those saying Sonic 3D Blast -- personally I don't consider that to be a sequel. It's in a category of it's own. I don't think it's a horrible game, just a little boring after a while.

Streets of Rage 3 is a horrible sequel to a classic game (and Axel doesn't suit drainpipe emo jeans, tbf)

Bare Knuckle 3 is a worthy sequel, even though it really needs a Mania skill level like Streets of Rage 2

Golden Axe 2 & 3 aren't very good games and have limited appeal, compared to the 'classic' that is Golden Axe

Shadow Dancer despite being a good game, is nowhere near Revenge of Shinobi (if you count it as a sequel), Shinobi III is just as good though

James Pond III is not as good as James Pond II, imo. Still a good game in it's own right though

World Of Illusion if you count it as a sequel, is nowhere near as good as the games that it's main characters came from, Castle of Illusion and Quackshot

Hmm, that'll do.

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Originally Posted by Kogen

People still whining about the barrel in Sonic 3 on this site?

Real pros here!

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Well, I guess that means it's time for you to eat shit and take up residence on another site then, huh?

Sonic1 is good, Sonic2 sucks, Spinball is not that great, Sonic 3(&K) is teh greatest evar, Sonic3D is pretty good...

As for GA3, it beats the crap out of first 2 IMO