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I don't even know what to make of Genesis Sunset Riders. A footnote? An embarassment? A tease? An insult? A shitty port job?
All of the above, I say. I'm one step away from lumping Hyperstone Heist in the same boat, but at least Konami could be arsed to include all the Turtles on this one.
HH was 8 Megs the same as TiT. Sunset Riders on Snes was released 6 months later? with twice the rom space. I can see why someone would be letdown by Genesis SSR's but it did a lot right having 4-Megs to work with. I like the game a lot tbe final level in the Genesis version is great. You get to battle Indians which are the hardest enemies and a good change of pace in the third stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cornelius Spunkwater
It's not a port of the arcade it uses the bosses but level designs are original.
HH's most unique feature is its amazing soundtrack. It blows away the SNES version with ease, and that sounded great already.
It's comes down to taste they are both amazing soundtracks. Konami was beast for music on the Genesis. Lethal Enforcers 1 and 2 have incredible soundtracks as well. Bloodlines which gets some of the most mainstream praise (nintendo fan boys actually give the game a chance) soundtrack isn't all that impressive compared to most Konamii soundtracks. The drums are weak if had strong drums it would have been an all time great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christuserloeser
Not only did they avoid PCM drums but also PSG leads or any use of PSG at all. Probably so fed up with doing NES and SNES music that the composer decided to go with FM only. Sounds a lot like the early MD games from 1988/1989, most of which did not use PSG or PCM either.
The women who composed the music did amazing job either way. It just sucks to think of what could have been if she used PSG or PCM in the music. Super Street Fighter 2 suffers the same fate (I think the soundtrack is a disappointment but not quite the disaster most think) My favorite tune is Zangief's (I like it more then the SF2CE versiosn) my least favorite is Ryu's which is just sad and his SF2CE version was awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christuserloeser
Hyperstone Heist was the 1st (and to my knowledge) the only TMNT game I played. I rented it the same time I rented Ghostbusters for Genesis as well. Played and beat TMNT friday night, and spent the rest of the weekend playing Ghostbusters. It was okay.... the only 2 REAL memorable things from that game to me were the 2nd level surfing part and that BADORF! BADORF! BADORF! noise the bosses made when you hit them. Other than that....meh....its a game for the genesis... bout it.
Turtles in Time on SNES doesn't actually use a Mode 7 effect for the screen throw, it is a simple transition of three sprites. The fact that the Genesis version didn't have the same is just further proof that Capcom used an inferior team or fewer resources on Hyperstone Heist. I suppose it is a good thing that Hyperstone didn't end up a straight port of an NES game with enhanced color and sound. Looking at you Batman Revenge of the Joker, Battletoads and Battletoads & Double Dragon.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboyscowboys
God, Batman Revenge of the Joker. Fuck that game.
NTSC copies have November/December, 1992 manufacturing date codes. PAL copies have March, 1993 manufacturing date codes. Accordingly, PAL copies also have the copyright info changed to 1993.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightrider
OK, but then Wikipedia gives Hyperstone Heist August for a U.S. release.
^That claim has no source. The USPTO lists the release date as November 28, 1992.
As much as I like HH, after playing through it, after the arcade and SNES games, I feel kind of insulted by Konami now. Mainly because it was like, there were some things the SNES could barely handle, if it could handle it at all, and it was like they decided the Genesis by comparison must be too weak, so they weren't even going to try more than 4 Foot soldiers on screen at once. I know the Genesis could have handled so much more happening on screen than they tried with this game.
Ah well, controlled running is still great.
eh even after playing tmnt 4 on an snes i liked hyperstone heist more
the levels were longer and there less gimmicks
i could never relaibly throw foot soldiers so that gimmick battle of fighting against shredder from his point of view always frustrated me
at leats hyperstone heist doesnt bother with gimmicks and only relies on solid action and presentation
no matter how much of a hacked up port it may be
You must really suck at Turtles in Time.Quote:
Originally Posted by KitsuneNight
Blah TIT is still better even if you take out the "gimmicks." Even if you take out the gimmicky Neon Night Riders stage its still 8 stages vs 5 and thats still a beatdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by KitsuneNight
^Yeah, but those 8 stages in TiT get to be a grind after a while. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great game and I actually enjoy some of the gimmicks (especially throwing enemies into the screen), but in the case of HH, I appreciate its brevity. As an overall package, TiT is superior to HH. To argue against that is almost futile, but if I'm going to sit down for 45 minutes or so and play one of them with a buddy, I'd much rather play HH. I prefer the way the levels are structured, and it never feels like a chore to me.
Basically, you can tell that it was designed specifically for a home console, similar to the SoR games. Whereas with TiT, it feels more like an arcade. Now there's nothing wrong with that, and sometimes I'm in the mood for that, but beat 'em ups in the arcade are fun for me for 20 minutes or so, and then they become tedious. I know that that's an issue with the genre as a whole, but I find beat 'em ups designed specifically for home consoles more fun to play on consoles than ports of arcade cabinets even when the arcade ports are technically superior. Just a personal preference of mine.
The "gimmicky" stages add a little thing I like to call "variety." Goddamn, TiT is a lot of fun. So is HH, but how the hell can it compete with literally twice the game?
i reject your reality and subsitute my own ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkDragon
and i cant take that abbrevation all that seriously
by not overstaying its welcome and by not turning in to a grind or a chore to playQuote:
Originally Posted by Cornelius Spunkwater
With the exception of the boss gauntlet stage, those are some fairly lengthy stages, so I think it evens out. There are graphics and even enemy types(OK, same old enemies with a different way to attack, but still), so it wasn't a completely effortless showing or anything. I just wish they tried tossing more enemies at you(at least on the normal setting, not sure if they throw more at you on harder difficulties).
I only recently played either HH or TiT. First was HH, was ok at the start, then got a bit boring, then we realised some of the more 'advanced' moves like how to reliably do the jump forward kick, slides, rolls etc, and it became a lot more fun. Slide in particular seemed pretty powerful. Game was over reasonably quickly, didn't get too tired or repetitive for me. Not in my top 5 beat'em ups by any means, but it was enjoyable enough.
Then a couple of weeks later we tried TiT. It seemed much the same, except for some reason we couldn't run or do any of the interesting stuff from HH. Worked out that you have to hold a direction for a while to initiate run, and therefore do any of that stuff, which was pretty lame. The playthrough was quite a grind with that handicap, I found it pretty long and boring to be honest. Then we went back into the menu options and realised it's just a stupid default setting, turned it to "let you bloody run by double tap", and then started again. It was better, but after just playing through the game, I couldn't bring myself to keep doing it. Also our SNES pads were strangely reluctant to let us double-tap left (I'm actually pretty disappointed by the somewhat spongey SNES dpad, don't remember that from my youth), which didn't help.
So I'm not sure if it was more to do with the order in which I played the games, the stupid default setting on TiT, the superior mega drive pads, or the games itself, but I certainly enjoyed HH more.
This is a fast playing brawler, but following the post I made in the Streets of Rage thread I will say there is a lot less variety in HH than that game, simply on account of most enemy waves coming in groups of 4, reducing the enemy management factor by a few degrees (despite the fact there are different coloured Foot Soldiers with varying attacks).
This really only gets broken up by the appearance of those rock dudes with the guns and the hovering robots (sorry TMNT fans I forget their real names).
This repetitive action is compounded by the fact that there is really only one way of doing things optimumly - Run and shoulder charge into a group of enemies, grab and do the triple slam, which not only affords a ton of invincible frames, but does incredible splash damage to anyone nearby. Foot Soldiers hit by this will only take only one more slap before dying. Couple this with the throw's crowd clearing aspect and it's the only way to fly. The only time you will need to stray from this is if you mistime or misplace a run, that's the only time the jump kick will get used (it does next to no damage but is useful to reset a situation and get enemies where you want them).
The slide leaves you too vulnerable to be considered using most of the time, and you should never need to use the blow-off attack in a game with 4 enemies on the screen at any one time.
Despite being pretty much the most repetitive beat 'em up I've ever played, It's still a challenge on Hard and I like most of the graphics, despite seemingly running in low res. They look 100x better than the hotly debated GAIII, at any rate. Music is awesome and outdoes the SNES version easily in this case.
I have a soft spot for the Konami TMNT brawlers since the arcade game was hot shit when it dropped in my area circa 1990:cool:
At no point have I EVER thought of TiT as a chore or a grind. The game is just pure fun all the way through.Quote:
Originally Posted by KitsuneNight
Hey, my first post is here! ... I recall when I read it just a bit back it was filled with typos and what a mess to read. :p What the heck happened? I usually do a once over? ... Gonna leave it as is though... too affraid to re-read it, lol... no! Don't look either!! It's too embarrising. >_>;; (and yeah, I'm still pretty bad with words/spelling. Call it work in progress)
They are low res.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverDrone
SNES to Genesis usually are. Death of Superman & Sailer Moon are hi-res on Sega & low on SNES however (er, wait, not sure about SNES Sailer Moon? Porbably is though). These are the beat em up exception, unless there's one I'm missing? ... Surprised Genesis only Splatterhouse 3 is also low res. It's parts 2 was hi-res... another non-SNES port that's a low res beat em up is Growl... also Double Dragon 2 & 3. Them "also on SNES" low res beat em ups are the two Spiderman, Tick, Captain America, Cutthroat Island and StoneProtector. All the 2D plane beat em ups are hi-res from my count. ... What a boring post. *cough* That is all.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. At least you show some attempt at improving, unlike some stubborn members here;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief
I thought Splatterhouse 3 might have been. DD2 and 3 don't surprise me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief
Splatterhouse 3 runs in the standard 320x240 resolution that most Genesis games do.
Example: MobyGames screenshots are in 320x240.
I doubled checked with Fusion, then triple checked with Gens, then quad checked with the pics on this site too. Correct answer still seems to be low-res (256x224) and not hi-res as the pics you linked too (at 320x240)? So yeah, I don't know what to say. Maybe someone else here can explain further?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppelgamer
PS - there's a much easier way to check low-res VS hi-res games with Gens emulator. Set stretch to none. If the dimensions are closer to a square then a rectangle then it's low-res. If it's closer to a rectangle then a square, it's hi-res. Very simple and much faster then having to take a snapshot then having to check that. Cheers! :)
So we have the "TIT is a grind and a chore because its too long" argument so people are talking HH's and its 5 stages instead. Wow what logic.
5 stages only? What? Don't each stage except for that one boss gauntlet level contain 3 acts each? Well, that Japan level's act 3 is only for a boss fight, and I think same thing applies to the last stage? But yeah, more then 5 stages. And the overall lenght is about the same as TiT.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkDragon
Not sure which I mentioned ealier as to which I prefered in my first post here out of the two, if I did mention it. But HH was the first Genesis game I bought with the Genesis 2 & Sonic 2 Bundle my dad bought me to combat my mom's love for the SNES she bought us. So that was my first 16-Bit TMNT game, while my brother had access to TiT a bit earlier since one of his friends had it. So this obviously affect overall decision to an extent. Ditto for my brother since he prefer TiT more, lol. But I also was let down by TiT, which I overhyped obviously. I thought it was gonna be way better, but it wasn't, and controls didn't feel as tight &/or responsive as the Genny version. But this actually an on going thing I've started noticing since back in the day. Genesis games for some reason usually control better &/or feel more responsive?
But back to just HH/TiT; The only thing that really bothers me about HH is that boss rush level; 1) I don't like boss rushes when the same bosses I just fought just a bit earlier in same playthrough are being used again, and; 2) they repeat the most bland looking level to fight in, and not to mention this level has been used already once too. So this is my only serious issues with HH. Don't care for that one missing toward the screen move.
Other then that, it's really a toss up between the two games for the most part. And also affected by which you played first.
But overall, the two Turtle games coming after the last NES game, really let me down in a big way.
Hmm, some more bad things about TiT? I don't know, them 2 surfing bonus levels seem like a waste? The surfing didn't feel like a bonus level in HH. And I also like the NES nostalgia of HH too. Animation seems better in HH. The turtle faces seem much improved in the Genesis version too. More like the Cartoon/Comic, and more detailed & expressed. Sprite seem bigger, but aren't... well, actually one pixel more from an old memory of me using something from back in the day to measure it off my tely, lol. Think it's just because of the newly drawn turtle faces in the Genesis version only? TiT having more bosses is a nice bonus favouring SNES. Oh, and the the technodrome looks way better in the Genesis version then in the SNES version + Krangs spaceships of SNES (oh which the Genny is also based off, er, I think? Maybe? Whatever).
But really... HH & TiT aren't all that in the beat em up genre as most like to make them. More like for casual beat em up fans then anything, really. Which is fine. But I want more out of my beat em ups thanks to games like SoR series really raising the standards by a lot more. But SNES fans ain't got SoR or an equal. So they always mention TiT. And well, since the world is seemingly run by SNES fans (in combination with Turtle fans too), is why this game is #1 beat em up of the internet, lol. Well, it's how I see's it. You guys can debate it. Wouldn't mind hearing something against it. I mean, if I'm wrong, I'd like to be corrected ASAP.
I'm one of the few that doesn't really care that much for either TinT (sorry but i am not using TIT) or HH, they both seem like fairly bland games that get massively overhyped and boring quickly, and there is no shortage of stellar beat 'em ups in the early 90s.
They are both about 40 mins to complete so I don't understand any complaint about TiT being a grind. If anything TiT is fun all the way through with way more diversity and eye candy. HH hits a damn wall at Stage 4 absolutely insulting effort reused a bland level, once again we are walking on water and we fight all the same bosses. Oh wait yippie for the crappy version of Baxter Stochman ripped from TMNT 2. HH had all the tools to be near par with TiT just needed a real level 4 not a rehash in what is already short game. Should have used some inspiration from TMNT 3 on Nes the best Turtles beat em up for my money.
TiT is better than HH, but that's mainly due to being one of the many games whose SNES version had more resources applied to it (as in, TiT doesn't have a shitty boss rush level). HH plays very well (better than TiT) and I like it's music more.
Neither is that great of a beat'em up. I'd rather play Final Fight 3 or Streets of Rage 2.
You know, I liked Final Fight 3, but the whole game I couldn't help but think, "This is good...but it isn't Streets of Rage 2."
Seriously, has anyone played Sonic Blast Man on SNES? I remember it being rather slow, but still a "blast" to play.
The original Turtles arcade game isn in my top 10 of all time beat em ups. Im including arcade and console. It was good but belongs there because it was so infulential. Streets of Rage 2 is in my top 10 as well. Most of my top 10 is arcade games but SOR2 is one of the few console games that belongs there.
Yeah, even though it was my first bought Genesis game, it never got much playtime at all. Only played it casually for a bit at first just for the pretty graphics/sounds & because it was turtles, and then... never knew I had the dam game... wait. I still have it?!! ... Oops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogogadget
So another reason I assume most look at these two games more casually then norm, since I did and still do. Also, check that AVGN epidsode called something (Mike?) Mondays. Where they play TiT without even thinking. Then check out the Super C video, where they can barely talk and play at the same time, lol.
Hey, wow, took the words right out of my mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboyscowboys
The first or second? I thought the first was pretty crap at first... but then I was like "Wait... I must play this more." So I'm gonna play it more. Seems fine enough in a weird and strange way?... Think part 2 is where after like the third level it goes from 3 enemy max to 4? Or am I mixing it with another SNES game? But if it's this game, it's a much bigger improvement over part 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cornelius Spunkwater
Sayings like this really bother me. I don't care how influential a game was or is, cause it should in no way affect how I enjoy a game. It's not like nostalgia or anything. So... it's really just BS. You should play games cause they're fun, and not because they're a historical landmark. Atari ET is an historical landmark, you want me to play that crap?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkDragon
I tried Fusion 3.64. Couldn't locate the "stretch" option. (Gens has one though and turning that off does make it run in 256x224.) Running in the smallest Fusion window mode (320x240), I set the renderer to normal (No render plugin), scanlines 0%, disabled "Use NTSC Aspect", disabled "Fixed Aspect (Fit)" and VSYNC to off. It was more of a rectangle and 320x240. In the end, I had to edit the Fusion.ini file and change the ForceCompatibleGFX=0 to ForceCompatibleGFX=1. That forced the thing to run in the native resolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief
I took several screenshots as well. The first was 640x480, so I figured it had double the res for some reason. I looked in the "Extras" tab of the "Set Config" window, and changed "Output stage" from "Corrected" to "Raw". This gave the 256x224 resolution image. Choosing the "Final" option gave a 320x240 resolution image. So it seems like Kega Fusion is just being stupid unless I force it to behave. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Sonic Blast Man is a really weird game and not really a great game but it's oddly compelling if only because it plays so drastically different from most games in the genre.
The second one is better in just about every respect but I don't really think it's my cup of tea.
Sonic Blast Man had some crazy level/enemy design to counteract the limited moveset and slow pace. I found that Sonic Blast Man 2 was faster and had more variety in the gameplay department, but the level and enemy design wasn't as interesting as the first game, so I got bored faster.
Maybe there's a lesson in that: Good gameplay can't overcome boring design and vice versa. Balance.
Certainly not on the level of SoR2 or SoRRemake, but I'd stamp a "good" on it simply because it entertained the hell out of me.
I bought both the Sonic Blast Man games simply because of his move where he holds an enemy straight out like a board and shakes them to death. Best move ever. It's too bad they stopped at only 2 games...a lot of potential was left on the table.