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Well, there goes the Saturn value! Helllooo retail copy.
PDS need to go there.
I hope this isn't a XBL only title. I don't know if I'd pay $20 for a game that was XBL only.
Yay!
Not quite.Quote:
Originally Posted by cj iwakura
This looks to be a kind of "redone" version with more effects and such (judging by the screenshots). It's not a straight up port, so I doubt the Saturn, nor the Saturn version of RS, will suffer much value depletion.
You never know, from what I understand the main reason the Saturn version goes for so much is because of demand, if players know they can get it much cheaper on a modern console and it will look better, they might go for that as opposed to the Saturn version. Sellers then may have to lower prices significantly to get people to buy their Saturn copies.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Here is the official Trailer btw:
All the original code and source material backups for PDS were lost, so we would only either see the original game via emulation with no improvements, or someone would have to re-make the game entirely from scratch :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Da_Shocker
A full fledged remake wouldn't be bad, in fact if done right it could turn out as a great game. The problem is really if Sega wants to put in the effort or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by mick_aka
You're forgetting several factors. How many copies there are, how readily its available, and the physical nature of the medium. Plus, the arcade version of RS is still able to be played on MAME (if your PC's good enough), and that hasn't done much to the value of the Saturn version. And when you consider how the prices for games like Alien Soldier and others didn't drop much when they came to the VC...Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Remember, the original version of something is generally more valuable than the remake, regardless of how close the remake is. So while I'm glad that RS will finally get a bigger audience, I don't think I'm going to worry too much about my Saturn copy's value dropping like BP stock.
If I remember correctly though Radiant Silvergun isn't really that rare, it's just a highly demanded game. Up until JP store owners got smart and started putting copies on Ebay you could walk into used game stores in japan and find it very cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
If memory serves, it's nestled somewhere between "uncommon" and "rare." To the best of my knowledge, it's not a situation like FF VII, where the game was available everywhere, but the price was still stupidly high because of its popularity/demand alone. There is an actually rarity factor to the Saturn version of RS. Not as rare as ebay sellers like to make you believe, but it's there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
It won't lower the market value. Look at r@re games that appeared on Virtual Console and whatnot. Their market value did not change one iota. I wish it would, but it didn't. The thing is that people who want the real game actually want the REAL game. Only people who are curious or wouldn't even consider buying the real version anyway will by this Xbox Live-only version.
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
It's not rare, it's sought after, there are plenty of copies floating around.
Which is exactly why this could cause some interesting things to happen with the price of the Saturn version. It's not like a truly rare game that get's put on Virtual Console or something, this is a game that has a very high demand so people put it up for a lot on ebay claiming it's rare, and idiots pay that price. Now it may not drop back down to what it was in Japan years ago (around $30 iirc) but it may drop down to a more affordable $50-$75 range.Quote:
Originally Posted by mick_aka
I tried to buy rs a couple of weeks after it came out. It was pretty much gone at import a month after release. I doubt there's more than 60k of rs out there.
You'd think Magic Knight Rayearth would be a truly rare game, seeing how it was the very last Saturn game, and no one really cares about it.
There were shed loads of copies of Silvergun produced, it was the only import I purchased new.
The import section of Fantasy World had loads of copies gatehring dust until around 2003 because they wouldn't drop the prices. Play Asia still had new copies available until about 3 years ago!
Sites like Racketboy give it half a star out of 5 on rarity ffs!
There are a fair ammount of Saturn games with production runs under 4 figures, RS is not rare, it's just in high demand.
Maybe in the UK where there's only 100 people that owned the Saturn. I had access to 3 or 4 import shops, including diehard gamefan's store, and I did not see one copy of rs. I'd seen border down months after it's release.
Just because you could not find the game in your area does not make it rare. Growing up I had access to tons of stores that should have sold Saturn games yet I never saw common titles like Virtual On, Daytona USA CCE, Sega Rally, etc. Because they weren't sold in stores in my area does that make those games rare? No it doesn't. Radiant Silvergun is NOT rare. It's just highly demanded and people are stupid enough to pay over $200 for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Truly rare games on the Saturn are games like Hyper Duel, Psychic Assassin Taromaru, Daytona USA Netlink Edition, even Panzer Dragoon Saga is rarer than Radiant Silvergun. Radiant Silvergun isn't rare by any means of the word.
The only rare Saturn games ... are good Saturn games
Well. Now I have to get some sort of new controller to play it. . . since the Xbox pad sucks and i think the new one won't be too much of an improvement.
PDS was published in more than one region. It had at least 45k units shipped in north america alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
I live in Dallas, Texas. This area is the 7th largest consumer market in the US. If there was an import available, I could find it locally. I saw PDS a long time after it's release, while I can't say the same for RS. Everyone that wanted that game had bought it up.
I really doubt RS had a larger print run than PDS.
Saturn RS for $50-$75? Dude, pass that blunt you're taking drags off around, because that must be some good shit you're smokin' :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
But in all seriousness, you'll be very lucky if the Saturn version drops $50 in asking price. It sure won't go below $100, and likely not below $150 for a complete copy. As I said before, the original game is often more valuable than any remakes, and since the Saturn version is a physical copy (and the only such copy beyond the original ST-V game), that alone will keep the prices up.
It was around that price at one time before people start paying crazy money for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
it wasnt really clear in the article....
is this an import only title? and will this be a disc based game or a download?
Recommendations, worst to best, based on price:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirk Funk
Street Fighter IV pad ($40?)
Madcatz SE arcade stick ($50 at Amazon)
HRAP EX-SE ($100+, god tier of shooter controllers)
I've got the HRAP, it's awesome but it's huge, I'm thinking of getting a Madcatz and modding it since the size of it is perfect to me.
It was $49.99 when I got my copy from EB back in the late 90's, but $150 is more believable. To honest though, even that's a bit hard to put faith in given that the game's basically a collector's item now. I mean, the price of the PCE's "Rondo of Blood" didn't drop much after the PSP game came out (it's still roughly $70-$100, like it was when I bought my copy years ago... though I got lucky and snagged it for $40), so why would this game's price plummet so drastically?Quote:
Originally Posted by ThunderForce
At the time RS was released, I did all of my import shopping at Tronix so there was plenty of everything available.
I have actually been eying that SFIV pad. . . Know if it's any good? I don't want anything crazy. Just something that works a bit better.Quote:
Originally Posted by GohanX
Because there is no logical reason for it to cost that much. A lot of this game's price comes from it's exclusivity to the Saturn and the sheer demand for the game. When that exclusivity goes away but the demand still stays, we could see some interesting things happen to the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Panzer Dragoon Saga may have been released in multiple regions, but only 30,000 US copies and most likely less UK copies were released. So for people to play it in English there are probably only less than 50,000 copies out there at most when you combine both regions. Notice how the Japanese Version of Panzer Dragoon Saga only costs $25 at most on ebay. That's because no one wants it. Everyone wants the US and UK versions which are in English and much rarer. Right now the people who want to legally play Radiant Silvergun because it's a great game only have one choice, buy it for the Saturn. When they get the option to get it for about $10 on XBLA I doubt many will still be willing to pay $250 for the Saturn version. People will still want the original version no doubt, but the number who do will decrease and they will most likely be the ones educated enough to know it's not worth more than $100 let alone $250.
Ikaruga for the Dreamcast dropped in price after the Gamecube version released in the US, it's not crazy to expect the same to happen for Radiant Silvergun when it releases on XBLA.
And Rondo of Blood did drop, it used to be around $150 years ago. It's now around $60-$80 aside from the one or two listings on ebay.
The fact that there's a physical copy of RS on the Saturn still gives it exclusivity. You'd be surprised how much people value being able to hold their game and not have to worry about it vanishing because their console hard drive bit the dust.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Crazy to think it'll drop a little? No, as it likely will. Crazy to think it's going to drop $150 to $200 over it's current asking price. Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
How many years ago? Rondo was around $100 on the upper side of prices (save for the pants-on-head stupid ebay sellers) when I got mine about six years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Last time I checked Rondo of Blood on ebay before the PSP game came out the average price was around $150, this was back around 2006 I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
I'm not saying people don't value having a physical copy, but a lot of people who want Radiant Silvergun just want to play it, not collect it. That's where a lot of the demand comes from, take that demand away and we could see prices drop. The game is not rare at all, people are just stupid enough to pay that much. The fact that up until a few years back you could walk into any Japanese used game store and find it for under $30 proves it's not rare or worth $250. Japanese store owners just got smart and started putting copies on ebay.
This game could very well be an exception to this rule that new releases don't make games lose value. This game is not rare at all. It had a high production run as far as Saturn games are concerned. The reason it sells so high right now is more people want it than available copies exist for sale. When it comes out on XBLA with infinite copies available, the demand curve could change dramatically.
I'll bet you $75 right now that the complete Saturn version never sells for that price on a consistent basis. Are you confident enough to put your money where your mouth is?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
It may not drop to $75 but it probably will drop significantly from the outrageous $250 it goes for right now on Ebay. The game isn't rare, it's high price is entirely based on demand. When the demand goes away because it loses it's exclusivity the price will drop. It's simple economics. A lot of people who are buying Radiant Silvergun are most likely not collectors, they are people who want to play the game. I know there are probably plenty of people who buy it, play it, then relist it on ebay to make back what they paid for it. This cycle will most likely end when the game is released on XBLA, leaving only the hardcore Saturn fans to buy it. And many Saturn collectors are educated enough to know the game is not rare enough to justify it's current price tag. When sellers lose the opportunity to sell it to idiots who don't know how rare it really is, the price will drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by lynchesque
People keep saying it had a high production run, meanwhile, Digital Press has no rating for the game, and I've yet to find a website that proves one way or the other. Anyone have some real numbers? Because my understanding is that the run was less than 45,000 - 60,000, with other places saying it got a more limited release (what "limited" calculates to is up in the air). If that's accurate or even close, that's not a very common game, regardless of what system it's on. It may not be "Panorama Cotton with tea cup" rare, but that'd make it uncommon for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
A simple NO answer to my question would have sufficed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
This game is going for $250 on ebay! Wow anyways RS isn't rare at all just in high demand. A rare game is Daytona CCE Netlink or Taromaru. Shit that pops up every once in a blue moon. RS is always up for sale on ebay I do wonder why the price keeps goin up so much. I could've gotten mine for 59.99 brand new back in 98 but I got DoA instead for 39.99 (big mistake) but I ended up buying RS cib for liek 105 dollars or so back in 01.
The proof of the high production run is how easy it was to find it cheap for so long in Japan, the fact that Play-Asia still had new copies up until a few years ago, the fact you could walk into any store in Japan and find it for cheap for the longest time. It definitely had a production run higher than 60,000. It has only been listed as rare because people on ebay like to dupe idiots. Just because an ebay auction says "RARE ZOMG!" doesn't mean it's really rare. It may not have as high of a production run as Virtua Fighter 2, but it's definitely higher than games like the US version of Panzer Dragoon Saga, US Shining Force 3, US Magic Knight Rayearth, Hyper Duel, Taromaru, and other rare games. Why should a game that got a higher production run than all of those games sell for more or the same price? It doesn't make any sense for a game that got a production run of over 60,000 to sell for the same price as a game that got a run of less than half that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
What you posted isn't proof, they're arbitrary points of reference. I can find more copies of the US Panzer Dragoon Saga right now on ebay than I can RS, and nearly as many copies of the US versions of Shining Force 3 and Magic Knight Rayearth compared to RS, which goes against what you're using as a guide for rarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
If I'm seeming somewhat prickish, it's not my intention. And I apologize if it's coming off that way. But I keep seeing both sides saying it's uber rare, and that it's common as hell... but neither give numbers. Just factoids that really don't mean anything when it comes to production run counts.
Personally? I believe the game to be "uncommon." From everything I've read over the years, I'd put it on the same level as the U.S. versions of PDS, HotD and them, but not alongside the likes of Hyper Duel or Stellar Assault SS (that's considered rare... or at least, rarer, isn't it?).