By the time the Playstation actually gained a large library of "awesome games" I was playing the Dreamcast too.
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By the time the Playstation actually gained a large library of "awesome games" I was playing the Dreamcast too.
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Originally Posted by sheath
Not quantum physics, just context by release date. ;)
I'm sorry, but I always felt the PS1-Saturn list was the weak link out of your timeline comparisons, the others i've found helpful and interesting in the past (I've used your website on and off for years now), but the PS1 one is missing too many games IMO.
Funny, my Saturn came with this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Christuserloeser
http://www.axess.com/twilight/consol...l/saturn_a.jpg
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Originally Posted by sheath
This comes up as a statement from time to time. List the games that aren't there with one or two reasons why they should be added. I've polled Usenet, read gamefaqs reviews, and constantly kept the lists updated based on what comments I find. The game list excludes only sports titles, and games people jump up and down about but can't explain in any way. Seriously, I would be shocked if any of the existing "notable" games lists increase by more than ten or so. I have never excluded any game recommended for any specific gameplay related reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenewguy
I have PSX games I still play today (albeit on my PSP), but I rarely play any Saturn games. I got my Saturn to try a few games that are supposed to be great, and to branch out from the 32X in homebrew eventually.
Well, using the Saturn games list as a benchmark, I would say that the following games are at least as good as, if not better than Clockwork Knight/High Velocity/Goldenaxe: The Duel/Three Dirty Dwarves/Mr Bones
Sorry if there's some here already there that I missed
1. MDK
2. Return Fire
3. Broken Sword
4. Shipwreckers/Overboard
5. V-Rally
6. One
7. Micro Maniacs
8. Relentless/Little Big Adventure
9. Lomax
10. Guardian's Crusade
11. Zero Divide
12. Rogue Trip Vacation
13. Speed Punks/Speed Freaks
14. Vanark
15. Wild 9
16. TOCA
17. Rapid Reload
18 Civilization II
19. Fade to Black
20. Circuit Breakers
21. Apocalypse
I'm not really up for the arguing a case for each one at the moment, maybe I'll do that in the future but at the moment I don't feel up for it (maybe someone else on here could :D)
Lets see, quickly -
MDK - great action game, great art design, excellent sniper rifle and some cool grenade throwing puzzles
Return Fire - blow everything up game, fun capture the flag split screen multiplayer, influenced some other games of the time like Mass Destruction.
Zero Divide - its not amazing, but is definitely a good, entertaining, solid, fighting game for its time (certainly more in depth than stuff like Toshinden) its a 3D fighting game with robots in, has a hang on the edge of the ring move (don't remember that in earlier games) and there's an armour system too. The later iterations of the series became less and less competitive over time.
Wild 9 - platformer made by the Earthworm Jim people, nice grapple the enemies mechanic where you can throw them into environmental hazards
I voted for Saturn, but I count both among my favorite systems.
PSX has more fond memories for me, so it got my vote.
How do you like the model 1 US/EU Saturn pad?Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
Playstation for me alot better games library. Saturn is a odd console let down badly by not having a proper sonic game to go up against crash bandicoot which i liked back in the day but hate now and Mario64 still has a few decent games though
I think it is okay, but the buttons were loose and the D-Pad wasn't as tight as the Genesis 6-button pad or the later US Saturn pad.Quote:
Originally Posted by kool kitty89
Great response, I can't believe this one isn't in there. This is the reason I periodically go back to read some online reviews. I vaguely remember some RGVSony denizens being fairly adamant about not bothering with console ports of PC games Added it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenewguy
- 2. Return Fire
Return Fire I do remember being discounted in favor of Black Dawn even over Thunderstrike on both systems. I can't figure a reason why Return Fire shouldn't be on the Saturn and PS1 list can you? -edit- Return Fire for Saturn was never released. My mistake. Added it to the PS1 and will probably add it for 3DO when I finish that list.
Thunderstrike I know is flawed, the jets fly out of visual range, which is about three inches from the helicopter and only the HUD can target them.
3. Broken Sword
A point and click adventure with control issues on the PS1 that requires illogical puzzle solutions. Notable indeed. Added.
4. Shipwreckers/Overboard
2D Pirate Strategy game. Added.
5. V-Rally
Consistently complained about for confusing controls and replaced by McRae.
6. One
Stinking hard, very old school Contra in style and MGS in cinematic boss fights. I always thought this one should have been on the list. Added.
7. Micro Maniacs
FoxKids Micro Maniacs? Sounds like a party game racer, it's never been pointed out to me before. Added.
8. Relentless/Little Big Adventure
I can't find anything about this one that sounds different or especially well done.
9. Lomax
Nothing on this one either.
10. Guardian's Crusade
Odd ball children's RPG with items that attack you if they don't like you. Well, that's unique alright. Added.
11. Zero Divide
Sounds like a bad generic 2D fighter with 3D graphics. Added for the ring hang mechanic and armor system.
12. Rogue Trip Vacation
Twisted Metal, Crazy Taxi, Sand box game? Sure, Added.
13. Speed Punks/Speed Freaks
A Mario Kart 64 clone, how is it unique or especially well done in gameplay?
14. Vanark
Sounds like a competent and late rail shooter. Added.
15. Wild 9
This one is fairly uniformly trashed as a poorly conceived 2D shooter with a gimmick, but people talk about it. Your explanation is good enough to add it.
16. TOCA
Same as V-Rally.
17. Rapid Reload
A Gunstar Heroes attempt on PS1 is all I found shortly. Is there something more to it?
18 Civilization II
A PC strategy title on a console that adds control issues and longer than acceptable load times.
19. Fade to Black
I anticipated this one quite a bit before its release. The best thing that has been said about it is that it could have been worse.
20. Circuit Breakers
It's a racing game, that's all I've got on it.
21. Apocalypse
Tons of reviews on this one, none of them seem to be able to say anything besides mindless shooting as its merit.
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To make it easier to find games that have not been noted I have changed the default setting to include the entire US libraries. I'm working on a fix that will allow the Saturn and PS1 libraries to be displayed together like this.
Are there any rail shooters on the PSX that beat Panzer Dragoon or Zwei? (I know there's a few really notable ones but I can't remember some of the titles... There's Omega Boost of course and Zeit Geist came to mind but that one's not that great iirc)
I don't think there's anything on the Saturn to compete with the Space combat sims (or some of the better free flying/combat games in general) on the PSX and even the N64 doesn't have much to stand up against the really sim-style gameplay of the Colony Wars games or Wing Commander ports (not sure how good those turned out compared to the DOS/Windows games) and Rogue Squadrong and BFN are sort of a different genre in that sense. (more comparable to Warhawk in some respects, more arcade like in control and game machanics -lives damage modling, weapons, etc- than the PC style sim-like space games)