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Thought it could be an interesting thread.
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I know there is not enough room for every belief/philosophy/thought process here and some were clumped together. Paganism alone encompasses over 20 religions as is. Please leave an explaination if you want to direct which one you belong to. I didn't do more than one as that will dillute the polling a bit. Only 10 options for the poll so trust me I would have added more if possible.
That depends what your talking about.
God...yes
That people should be good to one another.
That we don't know a lot about the real history of this world.
That sometimes people take things way tooooooo seriously.
That the word 'Furry' freaks some people out.
Above all, I believe in energy.
The only true way to better oneself, Raul worship.
I believe in love.
I believe in babies.
I believe in Mom and Dad.
And I believe in you.
(Courtesy Don Williams)
JY
Good thread: I believe that all the best parts of all religions are perfectly valid, but I don't get why they have to be associated with the belief in a supernatural being or deity. It seems to me that the promotion of belief in a God or whatever by many is hijacked by the morals that the associated religeon espouses, and that that code is a good reason to be a part of it; wheras you can be a moral person without the membership.
Religeon is just the construct that has evolved around the belief. Ultimately though, you're either decent or not regardless of what you believe in or what religeon you follow. As long as you're not a member of the cult of Nintendonianism, you're OK by me. All hail Seganism!
Well here's one "vote" for "Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Jainism"
Of course that really doesn't narrow it down, or tell u what religion I really believe in! :D
BTW if I believed in Jainism, and if I took it to the most extreme, I'd be buck naked all day, every day... At least that's what I've heard. :D (But no, it's not Jainism for me.)
Although u can only vote for 1 choice in this poll, I ALSO believe in the following choices from the poll:
AGNOSTICISM.
and
DARWINISM.
:cool:
Well I certainly believe in "energy" as well; It's actually an ANCIENT belief that has continued to this day. Everything is energy, and it strongly correlates with modern quantum physics as well, i.e. that everything is "energy" as well as "vast emptiness" ........Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiarcs
:cool: "Vast emptiness and no holiness!!!" :D Yup, that's what I believe in. :cool:
I will now be anal and point out that atheism and agnosticism are NOT the same. Agnostics neither believe or disbelieve in god, but rather that it's impossible to know if there is a god. Atheists actively disbelieve in god.
Who said they were the same? Ecco's post? I think he is simply saying that he believes that life on earth is a product of evolution(darwinism) and that his agnostic side believes that there could have been a creator of the source elements for evolution to take place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jax184
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Or was it my original post/thread choices? Some atheists get offended from the term "Atheist" so I mentioned Darwinism instead. Offcourse "Other" is also an option if one is not happy with any of the choices.
I know it's probably there for fun, but...
I don't think that physical facts like global warming, or biological evolution, are beliefs. More or less it would like, "I've accepted it/them on the grounds of supportive data/evidence".
As such the GW, or Darwinism (often misused as a replacement for the modern synthesis), entries do not belong. There is no such thing as a 'Darwin' philosophy.
Atheism as a category is just fine.... Why wouldn't it be?
Science (or the underlying method) would encompass the GW/evolutionary issues.
So... that would be a totally separate entry. Atheism, and science, are NOT one and the same.
I was tempted by Raul-ism, but went with Agnostic in the end. ;) :D
Darwinism? lol that is not a real word isn't that just something creationists say to make it sound bad? Its not a belief its a well proven theory thats like asking if you believe in gravity, we know evolution exists because of fossils. Im an Atheist i think religion exists today as comfort food for our insignificance in the grand scheme of things.
P.S "energy" is a re brand of god it ditches religion to make it seem more plausible and to drop the god badge but if you try to define and test it suddenly its super natural and impossible to do so.
I know atheists don't like the term "believe". I have it there for lack of a better term. There is not a great expressive work for what do you "Think". Also keep in mind that some of the above mentioned are not actual religions, just a way of life or a code of ethics.
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The word BELIEF in my opinion is essentially the way one interprets life and how to live. Everyone has things that they think and feel that guide them in the decisions and actions they make. Everyone is allowed to do this and has a say in it. Something forgot by some.
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Originally Posted by E.J.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinism
Says here there 4 types of Darwinism. It doesn't mean that you pray to Darwin.
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Originally Posted by doomguy
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me."
I think that is fairly straightforward.
So, no, all roads do not lead to heaven.
That is what I believe...
I think what now is the concept of "God" was an attempt to explain the miracle of life with the knowledge that people had access to a few thousand years ago when the bible was written.
Okay, we'll see when we're dead, right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tz101
We are creations of the people of Atlantis, who came to this planet billions of years ago and created the first life here.
Now their first successful humans, made in their image, were a man and woman named Adam and Eve. We are their descendants. Some of us may even be descendants of the Atlanteans themselves.
Agnostic is one of few labels I'm completely comfortable with.
Darwinism is a nonsense word usually thrown out by fundamentalists in attempt to religify science. No one labels themselves a "Darwinist" except Richard Dawkins trying to be cheeky. In modern times it is only used by creationists to attempt to portray anyone who doesn't accept their philosophy in a negative light. It's an attempt to make anyone who accepts evolutionary science look like they're worshiping a man and to equate "On the Origin of Species" to their own bible which is utterly ridiculous.
And of the "four types of Darwinism" none of those are belief systems either. Social Darwinism is freaking political/economic philosophy and has nothing to do with Charles Darwin other than borrowing the survival of the fittest to use as its mantra.
The theory of evolution has expanded so far beyond Darwin's research in the past 150 years that lumping the two together is absurd. The science of biology is not a belief system. It's a science. Facts don't require you to believe in them. You either accept them or you don't.
Evolution does not explain how life got here in the first place. It does not explain abiogenesis, it does not explain cosmology. It is the mechanism explaining the diversity of life AND NOTHING ELSE. It is not a philosophy. It is not a world view. It is not a religion. It has no place being compared to one.
That being said there are religious people who accept science and religious people who don't.
I am an agnostic atheist. The two terms are not really mutually exclusive. I don't believe in a god based on lack of evidence so I have no reason to but I also accept the idea that there may be a god because it's arrogant to assume I know there isn't.
I don't understand how Darwinism is on the list, out of all the things it's the one that
has absolutely nothing to do with beliefs. It is a proven fact, you can't just
not-believe it and maintain valid logic in your arguments.
Agnosticism and scientology also sound like they don't belong on the list of beliefs.
Personally, I'm pretty sure that none of the religions that I know of is right and there
is no god that is watching and punishing me for stuff. But a creator god? Someone
who can be held responsible for creating our whole universe? Possible, but nothing
like the religious gods that I know.
Scientology is most definitely a religion. Or a cult. Whatever you want to call it. It doesn't matter if the higher-ups know it's a scam some people truly believe in Xenu and all that.
Omg, just read the Scientology article on Wikipedia and man, all I can say that'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Obviously
pretty f***ed up. Never heard of it before, in Germany it's not all that prominent.
This has to be the most epic fail of all, to put the words "science" "logos" and "church"
in one sentence by calling something "the Church of Scientology".
Another reason "Darwinism" shouldn't be on there is because you can still believe in a religion and it, i know many Christians who accept the theory of evolution.
this thread is complete blasphemy as Raul should be only option on the poll.
^That's probably true for some folks, but when I say I believe in "energy" that's really not what I meant. I believe everything is made of energy, and that we have energy surrounding each of us, and that we give off energy constantly too. For example your bed is soaked in your own energy that you've given off each night, and your house, your objects, etc. Some folks are more sensitive to such energies than other people. Some folks can see the aura emitted from each of us, and much more commonly, people can often walk into a room and "feel" what sort of positive or negative energy is soaked into the environment.....Quote:
Originally Posted by doomguy
The late comic Alan King once said, "If you don't believe God has a sense of humor look at the person sitting next to you".
My faith is none of the above, that happens when you get banned from church when your still a baby. True story.
I'm an Asatru Pagan.
The gods aren't something to bow down to, they are instead much like you're kin.
On a side note, no I don't believe in magic.
And I'm on the Universalist side, not the folkish side.
Segaism!
No, seriously, my option isn't there. I'm not an agnostic. I'm not an atheist. I'm apathetic. Whether there is a god or not has no effect on my life.
None of the above.
"I dont know", should have been an option, I dont take any religion seriously kind of like the film Religulous suggests, I think its ok to just not really know.
I have been digging the Ancient Aliens shows on tv recently though.
I'm a bit more into leaning towards theories on Ancient Aliens being factual than anything out of a religious text myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinobimusashi
But it is up there. "I don't know" is the definition of agnostic. It's literally greek for "without knowledge."Quote:
Originally Posted by shinobimusashi
I believe in don't-be-a-dick-ism.
Most religions are harmless as long as you don't use them as an excuse for acting like a dick.
I agree, but unfortunately this happens too often. Notice how many people (in America) are against gay marriage and basically gays in general, just because the Bible says a couple of things that imply people should be straight. Also remember that WWII, the Iraq War, and pretty much most wars and suffering in general, are directly linked to religious causes.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillerBean2
Granted, I've seen religion do a lot of good; I've got a family friend who used to be a drug addict and went straight when she found religion. Even though she's the preachiest person I've ever met, she donates half her income to the poor, which is a great thing. I think religion is good to have around either way, but what I'd most want is for Atheism to grow and be widely recognized as a legitimate religion (if you call it that), instead of being dismissed by theists that don't understand what it's about. I think balance like that would do the world a lot of good.
becoming muslim and accepting islam is the best thing i have ever done in my life.
I believe in the flying spaghetti monster who created us from meatballs and tomatoes. That's why tomatoes are red, because our blood came from them. i.e. Tomatoes are people.
If we don't please the flying spaghetti monster, this will happen:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...eataposter.jpg
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Originally Posted by Obviously
That's a great point. As us humans being specs of nothing in the grand scheme of things and live and die in an instant, how do we think we have an explanation for everything? Could not a creator have produced the original elements of life, space, time, and we just formed thru evolution. Maybe that's how it happened, maybe he/she doesn't give a fuck about us and we have no eternal soul. Maybe he/she has no connection to us. Maybe he/she would see us one day and say, WTF is that? If I was a creator, I would have destroyed us a long time ago for being too retarded.
Yes that's the problem isn't it? I'm all for live and let live as well but when religion crosses in to politics and starts to try and legislate laws that's when you have to go from sitting on the bench to speaking out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Why-Disciple
It's the fundamentalists that ruin it for everybody else really. Religion is fine until you take it to the extreme. That's when it divides more people than it brings together.
I believe in seeking the path of righteousness.
I believe in doing what's right.
I believe in altruism (minus the dying part).'
I believe goodness and moral quality must persevere.
Made it to 21:00, the rest gotta wait for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowrun
The guy is a very eloquent speaker. I couldn't really follow some of the jumps he made though: Darwin did indeed _not_ explain the universe or how this planet works, Darwin's work focused on the origin of the species, how life on earth evolved, and that we are all related.
Explaining how this planet works is what geologists are trying to find out. Here is "Earth Story" by Aubrey Manning, an attempt to sum up what we know so far:
I am sure you can find the rest of the documentary via torrent or on Youtube if you're interested. I thought it to be one of the more rewarding experiences in my life.
How the universe works is even more complex and difficult to understand, seeing as we're just these people on this tiny planet. Our written cultural history is barely some 4000 years old.
BBC's The Planets is an attempt to look back at what we know so far:
One of the best documentaries I've seen.
Neither of these has anything to do with whether there is a god or not. Because all of this is indeed "godly" and thus deserves to be discovered, understood and shared as it does widen the sense of how fantastic all of this is.
But back to your video: I, as I do not believe in a creator, do have my own morals. These morals have been influenced by others, and I have worked on them myself. These morals in itself neither are proof for the existence of god nor for the absence of god.
The same goes for whether or not god is an all-loving being like I've been told as a child (despite of what the bible implied) or not. Neither does proof the existence of god itself.
The only thing it kinda proofs is that -assuming there is a god- it is not an all-loving being. My morals would not allow me to worship a god that is not all-loving. I try to be all-loving.