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Except for one thing, Sony didn't have a choice, with the blunder of the PS3(between the bad marketing, price due to such, and a horrible OS), if the PS2 was dicontinued/support dropped, Sony would've probally gone bankrupt(especially since they refuse to keep their divisions separate).Quote:
Originally Posted by InternalPrimate
With that being said, yep a lot of people liked that, I know I sure did.
I really don't understand how you can justify calling the PS3 a "blunder." It seems this way with many of your opinions. You make these ubstantiated blanket statements, like a gamefaqs lurker. Everything you moderately dislike is an "utter failure" or some such nonsense. Clearly you are wrong, and it shouldn't irritate me as such; but it is frustrating to see a bunch of statements coming out of left field that are not based on any kind of fact.
The PS3 had a rough beginning, and for a very long time, sold much better as a blu-ray device than as a game console. However, times have changed, and it is doing very well for Sony now. So what is the issue exactly?
If he's simply referring to the PS3s first year, I'd agree based on price alone. $599 was just way out there. As a $300-$400 console though, I think it's pretty great.
For the first 4 years, the PS3 was a money pit for Sony, actual successful consoles, take 2 years tops to start taking off. Anyone with half a brain would've ditched the PS3 long before the four year mark, but we're talking about Sony here, so you know(they don't care if they fail, but they don't want to look like cowards, not to mention they were in denial). The proper move would've been to take the hit, discontinue early on, and redesign a system from scratch(and by all means, don't rush it out the door).Quote:
Originally Posted by Phosis
Also you're right about the last part, and the scary thing is, to this day, It's actually like the best Blu-ray player(it makes no sense I know, but everyone I've heard says it plays Blu-rays better then a stand alone Blu-ray player. However this industry is about gaming, not movies).
One of these days, Sony will learn that... well hopefully(you would have thought they would've got the picture after trying to market the PSP as a movie player (seriously, that was their entire marketing strategy, "it plays movies", luckily game developers are smarter then Sony, and despite the bad marketing, it really is a good platform. The same can't be said about the PS3 though, there are tons of issues for both the consumer side, and the developers side, that really makes it into a Blu-Ray player that just happens to play games, instead of the other way around, like the PS2 was).
So in your opinion the most profitable=best and extra features are bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
Blu-ray Isn't a extra feature, It's the entire focus of the system, they actually removed gaming features to lower the price, opposed to dropping the "movie" playability(they could've made it able to read Blu-ray data discs/game formated discs, but not movies, and it would've allowed them to drop the price alot, while being able to keep the gaming features).Quote:
Originally Posted by doomguy
Blu ray the whole focus of the system? what utter drivel What features were removed instead? Anyway i don't care because you say the Ps3 is a money pit well removing the Blu ray player would have been commercial suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
Only because 60% of the marketing, was focused on the Blu-ray player, instead of devoting it to gaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by doomguy
And I played Pokemon Blue back in the day, and I can say with say with absolute confidence that it's NOTHING like Black/White.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
To IP: So is Rayman 3D a port of the second game or the third? If it's another port of #2, I'll probably make that my launch-day purchase. Well, depending on how the game is reviewed, at least. I think the game reviews are going to be my biggest influence during that first wave of software.
And only 3.285% of the marketing is towards backwards compatibility! Ricockulous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
^^^ The joke is that your numbers are pretty arbitrary. Where are you getting your info? Why should I believe you?
I believe it's #2. That game gets way more love than #3 for some reason. There's also a Raving Rabbids game... but I'll pass on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMatthews
I played thru Rayman 2 on the Dreamcast and loved every second of it. I also bought it on the DS, and it was one of the sloppiest ports I've ever seen. If they can hold up to the quality of the original releases, and translate the image well into 3D, I'd be very interested. The analog stick should alone make it a quality buy.
BC is part of the Gaming side of their marketing, dion't try to turn it into a separate thing(and your numbers are very off, they pushed the fact the PS3 had BC in the consumers faces, so I don't know what you're talking about, that's why it was such a shock when they removed it).Quote:
Originally Posted by InternalPrimate
Dear Zoltor,Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
I am writing to you from the year 2030 regarding your concerns about console gaming in the future.
While I appreciate the fact that you are a nostalgic gamer who feels personally threatened by the fact that consumer demand and progress has required video game consoles to adopt alternative forms of media distribution in order to appeal to a mass market of people that does not only include the hardcore, let me just say that these expectations of yours are rather unrealistic. While it would be ideal for hardcore gamers such as yourself to be able to purchase game consoles which only exist as platforms for that specific medium, it would not be profitable for the gaming industry in general, and would therefore be detrimental to profits and relevancy as far as the market is concerned.
We appreciate your continued to criticism, as it better helps us to serve our customers in the year 2030. However, we regret to inform you that regressive tactics, including the demand to ostracize the mainstream market which have been repeated by you in the past have not made any significant mark on the future of gaming. We would ask that you leave your frustration at the door if possible, and simply accept the fact that your idealistic vision of only a handful of the most hardcore, stale RPG games, being played on systems that exist only to play games and offer no further features beyond that has not come to fruition.
Best regards,
Reality
I made those number up. They're entirely false, like yours... That was the joke...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
Anywho, here's some more info on Rayman 3DS. Looks like a port of the Dreamcast version, which is a very good thing.
There's nothing nostalgic about wanting a game system, that actually focuses on mainly gaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phosis
You must be a fool, there is no demand for a multimedia device, that just happens to play games(this Isn't the iPhone we're talking about here), people buy a gaming console for one thing, and one thing only, to play ******* games. If such things like a video player, internet browser, exc, didn't cost any extra money, and they didn't remove gaming feature to just sell it at the top going rate for consoles, so be it, fine, but that's not what happened. That's not an extra feature, and It's not a machine for gaming, that's for sure(It's a glorified movie player).
Thanks, IP. That'll be the game I get, looks like. And maybe Bust-a-Move.
Edit: Zoltor, is that how you feel about the PS2, as well?