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Name me 5 major releases on Steam that don't have a physical copy available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
You didn't list two games, you talked about RPG maker, which is a utility and not a game, and you listed a game without naming it.
You're making ridiculous statements, so the burden of proof lies with you...
And if you want to avoid major releases because they're "crappy FPS"... have you considered that the only way for small developers to put out a game that isn't mainstream would be to utilize digital only means?
Yep, pretty munch. PC gaming basically peeked out in like 2002 with the take off of MMOs, but then it blunged in popularity due to the increased console capeabilities. Since then, while PC still gets good game, PC gamers mainly play MMOs now(for good reason too, while some consoles have tried MMOs, MMOs are really better on the PC for multiple reasons).Quote:
Originally Posted by Defolto
I told you where to go, that's all that is needed, I never would've ever thought people on these forums(that are always digging up info) can't even dial up a site I list.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFace
Divinity 2: The Dragon Knight Saga There are you happy.
PS. I don't have Impulse or Steam setup currently, nor do I have a desire to use the networks, so how about you put a tad bit effort into looking for that crap. Excuse me if I can't remember Obscure title, to games I ignore(because they are digital only).
It's not solely due to console capabilities. It's more due to the ease of development for consoles compared to pc. Debugging for all kinds of possible hardware and OS combinations vs one known hardware setup is a big enough cost difference to matter to the bottom line. Ease of use for the client is also a major factor, we all know how annoying it can be solving stupid conflicts in PC games. The other major factor is anti-piracy control. Whether it's completely true or not it's perceived that PC games are easier to acquire and run illegally than consoles. Greedy companies want more money.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFace
As suspected, you're only naming small indie companies putting out small indie titles that hardly anyone plays. Obviously that is going to be their only means of distribution.
Funny how you're labeling big brand games as "crappy" without any thought behind it, while calling yourself a real gamer.
Care to elaborate on that too?
PC gaming doesn't revolve around the US market.
A number of games are digital only for North America, yet had boxed releases in other regions. Say the Alexander expansion for Rome Total War. Also in fact BlazBlue is that way as well.
Who needs TV. This is great stuff. I'm learning alot. Thanks to all who've posted.
Yea I noticed that as well, while Euope is pretty screwed when it comes to console games, they get a ton of PC games we don't get in physical form(and that's if we even get it at all).Quote:
Originally Posted by lumclaw
To the moron: The only games considered mainstream in PC gaming these days, are FPS, and MMOs(because clearly the richest developers forgot about the ton of actual unique genres that is part of traditional PC gaming).
Note: Being not mainstream, doesn't mean It's an indie game.
Hey Zoltor:
http://www.gogamer.com/viewproduct.h...ctId=121508226
http://www.cdwow.us/games/divinity-2...60/dp/19003895
Physical copy of Divinity II for PC and XBox. Top two results in a Google Shopping search.
You must realize that when you make outlandish statements, it isn't up to us to prove them for you.
We aim to please. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by SEGACOOL
Okay, G-fuckin-G. There goes his last shred of credibility in this topic. Talk about backfire. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFace
Ok, so forget action RPGs, MMORPGs, traditional RPGs, real-time strategy, survival horror, sports, platformers, and simulations as counting in the "mainstream" then, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
EDIT: Forgot music games, party games, puzzle games...
Any of the above have multiple popular games in the genre, all of which are found with a physical copy.
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Originally Posted by Olls
I doubt that's real, everywhere I went to, has it as DL only(and I'm worried about the 1 in the subtitle), hell even Amazon lists it at DL only
I stand behind Zoltar on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFace
I'd bought a physical copy of a PC game, that was nothing more than a direct link to either Gamespy or Steam. I'm not sure if it was Borderlands (Gamespy network) or Metro 2033 (Steam), but after popping in the disc, I had to download over 7 gigs of game data. The disc hardly downloaded any information onto my PC. The game defineatly wasn't on the disc.
What about games that do have physical discs, but still require a download from Steam, or a connection to Steam to work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
PSN DLC titles can be downloaded to multiple consoles, as long as you log-in as the user who purchased those titles. You don't even need to be online to do so. You can even backup every DLC title you have, onto an external HDD and if your internal HDD crashes, you can transfer those backup files onto the new HDD.Quote:
With the PSN and XBLA, you are indeed fucked unless backward compatibility are offered. You're already fucked with the Wii, since DLC is tied to the console and not the account. Wii break or you decided to sell it? Too bad, you lose everything. Then again, what do you expect from Nintendo in regards to online anyway?
What I don't like about DLC titles on 360, is the fact that you have to be logged in online (I could be wrong on this, but it appeared that way) to play them. Not so with the PS3.
Ah, so just because that's how amazon chooses to sell it means that's the only way it's available? Look at the box art on the PC copy from google shopping, it specifically says PC DVD.
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Originally Posted by TheFace
That eye candy crap they call an Action-RPG(Dragon Age to name one) might be consider mainstream(barely), but no RPGs, Sports, racers, fighters, music games, most Action-RPGs, rts, survival horror, platformers, simulation, or what not is not considered mainstream in the PC gaming world.
I looked at tons of places on the net, didn't find a Physical copy, and somehow I doubt that's for the US, because even the company that created the game has only the digital copy listed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFace
Real-Time Strategy isn't mainstream? I believe Starcraft II would beg to differ.
Given that PC gaming has been in a sharp decline anyway, I still don't see the point. Arguably, digital content is the only reason that it isn't 100% dead.
The reason consoles replaced them i n terms of prominence is that they have capabilities that can stack up to a PC in terms of gaming, plus they cost a fraction of the price. So regardless of any of this: Who cares?
Zoltor's an idiot. Real Time Strategy games are very much mainstream if you're talking about PC games.
To gamevet: Omg that too, my friend bought what he thought was a physical game, only to be linked to a site to DL it as well, It's such a scam(that BS shouldn't even be legal).
Let's forget about the nonsensicality of "eye candy crap" for now, but since when was Dragon Age an action RPG? I can, while playing the game, at any time, whack the space bar and then take as much time as I please to micromanage. If you consider Dragon Age an action RPG, then Final Fantasy must be a full-blown beat-'em-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
Actually, Steam has stated several times that if they were to go out of business, they would make it so you would be able to patch your games to play without steam. Of course, you'd have to actually do a little research to find that out, so I'm not surprised that you don't have your facts straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
Rage on.
In any case this far from being one PC gaming's true problems.There are bigger things to worry about.
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Originally Posted by Vyse of Arcadia
Weird. I have both of those games sitting on my shelf. The only things it downloads are patches.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Zoltor has no idea what he's talking about. Plays a few cheap-o PC titles and thinks he knows everything there is to know about PC gaming.
I've seen your top lists! Almost none of you are avid PC gamers anyway. :p
Steam tells you how large the file is you're downloading, so it wasn't my imagination. I know I was thinking WTF, when I'd realized the disc had very little data on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olls
It's actually "downloading"from the disc.I learned this when I reinstalled Fallout NV without the disc.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I'd think that was what it was doing, but discs don't download at a rate under 2 mbps.Quote:
Originally Posted by kokujin
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_...5357-FSQM-0382
That should fix it.If not try pausing the download, deleting the local game content, and trying again.
I feel better about it now. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by kokujin
I agree, the lack of physical media merchandising sucks, dl? Come on, what about if your DL speed is slow, or you have a HDD crash? You have to pay for it again, while having a CD lets you to reinstall it.
Most reputable services only ask you to pay once.I haven't heard of anybody asking for money every time a game reinstalled.Quote:
Originally Posted by villahed94
Morally legitimized piracy. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
As it is already, piracy can be LESS of a hassle to do in some cases than going through legitimate DRI crap, and if I own a game that got corrupted or such and can't get it from the publisher/developer anymore, you better bet I'm going to "download" a "backup image" of it. ;)
Yes, but there's tons of cases of more obscure companies that went under and no one maintained support for the games.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Again, that's still not an issue as most/all of that is still available if you look a little ways . . . it just might not be technically legal to do. (but with practically zero chance of repercussions as long as you're fair and reasonable about it -ie not a blatant waerz peddler or something like that :p -plus it's only newer games that the pubs usually even care about)
I get the complain: downloading DVD (or larger) sized files is a pain in the ass, especially if you have a less than ideal connection (reliability wise) and/or a lot of shared users. (and other ongoing downloads)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kogen
Even with mid-range broadband (peak of some 3-4 Mb/s vs more like 10 for cable), it was still a pain to download portal. (the only game I've gotten from steam so far) I know it would have been far, far worse a little under 2 years ago when we still only had 1 Mb/s max (often more like 500k) broadband, and anyone using low-end 256k DSL, let alone the odd case of dialup would be practically out of luck entirely.
That's one very strong argument about making DL games episodic: segmenting load time overhead. ;)
OTOH, many of the lower-budget/indie titles on consoles and PC are pretty small, at least by modern standards (4 or 5 years ago a 20-30 MB game would be a PITA for many average users with common DSL -let alone dial-up), and some that are smaller than that even. (and tons of neat free flash games and such worth looking into -a lot of generic/crap stuff to filter though though)
Flight sims may have declined, but they're still a fairly significant genre on PCs... more for the air combat stuff (modern and historical, arcade style, fantasy, and realistic), but not much on the sci-fi/space sim stuff anymore, though there's a few (and many more homebrews -the FS2 engine going Open Source was a godsend to that) and I've heard Tie Fighter is getting a remake. (technically the second if you count the win9x accelerated version)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFace
A shame EA didn't keep the wing commander franchise going when they decided to pull Origin's other stuff after the flop of ultima IX. (OTOH I wonder how Ultima Odyssey might have done against other MMOs -it was canceled over a year before WoW launched)
How is that managed though? Per computer or per IP, or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by kokujin
What if your PC gets totaled? (or you have a total HDD failure without a backup and have to do a total system rebuild, or a good chunk of the hardware gets fried and you need to do a total overhaul and re-install and migrate files)
I didn't have any such DL content on my last PC, but say I did: when I migrated all my files from my old desktop to my laptop, would it still recognize my licensed ownership of the game or would I have to resort to piracy to avoid re-paying?
On Steam, you can install it on any computer as long as you log into your account.I have a crap connection, the most I can get downloading is 1.1MB/s, It takes me less than 7 hours to buy a game, sure it's not instantaneous, but it's not unreasonable considering the convenience.If you have dial up then you should probably be buying disc releases, but the demographic of people that play PC games, and have dial up should be very small.You can't please everybody, and most PC titles still have disc releases, once in a while a game you want won't be disc release, but it does happen and I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean it is major problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by kool kitty89
Except you don't. I've uninstalled a bunch of games that are sitting on my Steam list waiting to be downloaded again at my leisure.Quote:
Originally Posted by villahed94
Seriously people if you're going to criticize the download services without having ever actually USED them at least look up the answers to the obvious questions.
Also people complaining about download speeds, I buy most games on the Internet anyway and since it's nearly impossible to find a large selection of PC games in stores these days it really doesn't take any longer to download most games than it would for them to come in the mail.
The only problem with Steam is if your account is stolen then you're fucked. It's the same as somebody coming into your house and stealing your physical collection. It happened to one of my friends and Valve's customer support really didn't do shit to help him. I'm not entirely sure how that saga ended to be honest.
Granted this shouldn't happen since nobody should know your password it still could happen.
Wing Commander is my favorite franchise of all time. I will never forgive EA for basically putting it out to pasture. Didn't know about a TIE Fighter remake I really hope it's serious.Quote:
Flight sims may have declined, but they're still a fairly significant genre on PCs... more for the air combat stuff (modern and historical, arcade style, fantasy, and realistic), but not much on the sci-fi/space sim stuff anymore, though there's a few (and many more homebrews -the FS2 engine going Open Source was a godsend to that) and I've heard Tie Fighter is getting a remake. (technically the second if you count the win9x accelerated version)
A shame EA didn't keep the wing commander franchise going when they decided to pull Origin's other stuff after the flop of ultima IX. (OTOH I wonder how Ultima Odyssey might have done against other MMOs -it was canceled over a year before WoW launched)
For me, PC gaming begins and ends at GOG.com
Great games, cheap and with no DRM (and WITH unlimited re-downloads in case you forget to archive them)
Steam and retail games are SO loaded with DRM that I go out of my way to avoid them.
Valve has supposedly hinted at patching or a workaround, but given how many users Steam has, I don't think they're going to go into details soon. They really should address the issue, as should all companies involved with DLC.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I have several games given to me by a friend with his account. As far as my console is concerned now, they're mine. I don't know if they'll be fully playable if I were to transfer them to another drive (never done it). I'd assume all my games are mine, but that doesn't answer the basic question: What do you do when PSN and XBLA are offline, and your drive dies? Your copies are gone, and there's no online service to download them again from.Quote:
PSN DLC titles can be downloaded to multiple consoles, as long as you log-in as the user who purchased those titles. You don't even need to be online to do so. You can even backup every DLC title you have, onto an external HDD and if your internal HDD crashes, you can transfer those backup files onto the new HDD.
If you have the full game, you can play and XBLA game offline without any problem. I assume it's the same on the PS3, with the exception of Final Fight: Double Impact. That game would only let you play if you were online, and I don't know if they patched it.Quote:
What I don't like about DLC titles on 360, is the fact that you have to be logged in online (I could be wrong on this, but it appeared that way) to play them. Not so with the PS3.
Yeah, you're pretty much screwed without a backup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
I believe you can still backup your 360 games by downloading them to a thumb-drive, or having a second 360 with those games downloaded to it as well. I keep my profile on a thumb drive and have downloaded a couple of games onto both systems using that method.
The PS3 is much easier. You can create a complete image of your PS3's HDD onto an external HDD. Once you've swapped out the drive, you can do a restore of those files onto the new HDD.
I just looked through my DLC games on the 360, with the network unplugged. Pinball FX 2, Game Room and Pac-Man CE DX worked fine, but older games like REZ HD, Contra, Discs of TRON, Pac-Man CE, Geometry Wars and TRON (the arcade game) showed up as trial versions. Is there a patch for those older games?Quote:
If you have the full game, you can play and XBLA game offline without any problem. I assume it's the same on the PS3, with the exception of Final Fight: Double Impact. That game would only let you play if you were online, and I don't know if they patched it.
I'm a bit fearful that online support for the 360 may get cut like the old Xbox, to make way for the next console's features. If those games that show up as trial versions don't have some kind of patch, I'm pretty much screwed.
One of my reasons why I don't like this gen of consoles. Just about everything is online and I don't want to use the internet too fucking much as it is already.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I'm still waiting to see this "list" of games that are bringing down PC Gaming.....
C'mon, OP... where's the fucking list already?
World of WarcraftQuote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool
Star Trek online
Final Fantasy 14......