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I was going to say something to that effect, but it appears Goldenband just said it for me.
The review section is full of (great) games with next to no forum dialogue, least of all much about how to actually play these games. He's right, most of it's opinions. Some of them embarrassingly uninformed.
Excellent point, and one of the main reasons why we're expanding coverage to other Sega systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenband
That wasn't the problem. The problem were ten mindnumbing pages of composhit vs RGB complaints. This thread should be about content, not about video connections. Any possibly valid constructive criticism (which I did not observe and thus cannot confirm from my perspective) just was the straw that broke the camel's back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barone
Yeah, I think that'll definitely help -- there's a lot to talk about in the Master System library. Very little of it is in Japanese (I think the SMS library is close to 100% translated?), and many of the European games are among the best the system has to offer, but will also be new to many of us. Plus the play style usually has a lower barrier to entry.
Heartily agreed with OverDrone, though, that I wish we spent more time talking about playing the games instead of how the games we like define our tribal alliances, or whatever it is people get so het up about.
Being overly dramatic is the whole point! The Valkyria Chronicles salute is better in this case than giving Joe the William Shatner treatment. Although, I was tempted to throw some Shatner in there for giggles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thierry Henry
I was so stoked about the Master System update that I immediately took on 2.5 reviews! Still trying to beat Ys now. I'm at Dharm Tower (Tower of the Doomed).Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenband
I gotta agree with most of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenband
But I've seen in communities or forum sections dedicated to consoles with short lifespan/relatively small library a better handling of this "exhaustion" process, IMO because they were already set with those "harsh" libraries.
I think we got spoiled by the vast number of great games which were to be reviewed in the early years... We could spend hours and hours in the forum just talking about AAA titles and it would still have a near infinite amount of stuff to be said in the following day.
Today we've gotten to a point where talk the basics about most of the AAA titles will draw MUCH less attention and enthusiasm from the long term members, to not talk about some animosity.
Then you either go deeper into details of gameplay, which surprisingly seems to be uninteresting to most of the community; or you try to discover/rediscover the lesser known games, and then again just a very minor portion of the community has shown interest to it; or you go gaga about software/hardware modification and homebrew development, which has attracted some devoted guys but which also seems to be *extremely* annoying/uninteresting/unnecessary to several people; or you place a SNES vs MD thread and let the world burn, and it seems to burn harder every time it's brought up again.
And this is how it has been is the last years. Basic/superficial discussions of non-previously discussed AAA titles seems to be the only thing to make us all happy and without it we entered in this toxic process.
The coverage of SMS games will brought us back to the early days of the forum in many aspects, for quite some time.
But, meanwhile, IMO we could/should keep trying to learn how to deal with the exhaustion thing. The Can Sega-16 Beat campaign is awesome is such aspect IMO, we could exercise more stuff like that.
Bottino's initiative about Tips & Strategy is another great potential we didn't explore in the slightest.
We have worked very little in terms of highscore competitions and almost nothing outside shooters.
There's also games which lack basic gameplay instructions and are still obscure to most of us, etc.
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There's so much greatness to be had if we manage to re-educate ourselves to not only scratch the surface of the greatest hits games, it's madness.
Like I said in the beginning of this post, I think we could handle it better. Heck, if communities like the Atari's Jaguar or the 3DO can keep themselves together and active, we sure do have room to avoid stale for many years.
And let's not forget that we have an INCREDIBLE amount of excellent content in the main site, which also has seen very little discussion lately. The reviewers and article writers are mostly Melf and the same dedicated guys who have contributed in the last 6-7 years. We could help them a little more too!
I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy the SMS coverage A LOT, but it would be really cool if you could carry on the lessons we have learned to this new era of coverage and the others to come.
If all else fails, we can start another Street Fighter II comparison thread...
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"You must spread..." You know the rest. :D In that excellent post let me just address two things:
Agreed on both counts, i.e. that we should have more HSCs, and that we should figure out the unknown games. I've tried to do that a little bit with Warrior of Rome I & II, Iron Helix, Last Action Hero, No Escape, and a few others, largely (but not entirely) as a product of the beat-'em-all effort. But there are games even more shrouded in mystery, especially the untranslated Japanese and Chinese offerings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barone
Absolutely. It astonishes me how few of our current posters have written reviews or features for the site! So many of the reviews we have are from folks who aren't even here anymore, and almost all the ones in the queue and/or posted over the last year have been from the same few people (who fortunately are quite good at it, like Phantar and Benjamin).Quote:
Originally Posted by Barone
Anyway, as a late adopter who's nonetheless about 75% of the way through watching the complete Game Sack, I'm sorry to see Joe go, as he's a smart guy who knows a great deal. But if this place is getting him so angry as to elicit poisonous outbursts like the above, then being here clearly isn't good for his mental health (or blood pressure). I'd always assumed his occasional fit of teeth-gritting rage was at least partly in jest -- a conscious act of comic self-exaggeration; now I'm less sure.
We could talk about times when something happened during a game that made us laugh hysterically. We could talk about what games pushed the violence/sexuality envelopes the most in our eyes. We could talk about moments that utterly shocked us for one reason or another.
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We could talk about the moments we got violent and sexually shocked everyone around us as we laughed hysterically! It'll be fun!
It doesn't have to be a comparison, but I'm always up for Street Fighter II!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastcallhall
Sounds like a sexy party! Or, Cho Aniki. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
retrospiel! Wake up! You gave me a friend request awhile back & are one of two friends under my friend list profile here at Sega-16.Quote:
Originally Posted by retrospiel
And no. I'm not the reason why Joe left. Read his last post. He said he had enough of Sega-16 because everybody here is a whiner & had enough of Sega-16 as a whole and everybody in it. It's not something that happened overnight. Melf even further clarified this. But that sure isn't stopping many for blindly kissing his butt like he done no wrong & that acting like that is totally fine. Whatever suits others fancy. But to me that's more then a bit strange.
And criticising is still very valid form of communicating and entertaining. What do you think Joe's show is all about? You want me to count the many times Joe whines on he show? What, it's ok for him to do it & the rest of YouTube commentators, but not us here at Sega-16? Wake up, retrospiel. Wake up, everybody. It's really simple common sense that needs no further explanation. And your saying I complain? What do you think you guys are doing? Whistling Dixie Kong?
And straw that broke the camels back? What? There's never an excuse to act the way Joe did. Never. So don't fool yourself. And Joe is gone. He's not coming back. I know I wouldn't if I ever left with such a speech. So don't cry, retrospiel, Sega-16. You can still enjoy watching GameSack if you like. And we all here can continue to be a happy family even without Joe. So lets all cheer and stop pointing fingers like we're Jesus and totally free of sin.
Well, seemed like folks were getting bored here already again, so I hope I've entertained. :D As for me, I think I'll see how much further I can make it in Sparkster for Genesis today?...
This place has been very negative for the past year or so. Too many valuable members have left. Melf and the rest of us should do whatever he can to make this place appealing again. If Joe or anyone else doesn't enjoy it here anymore, then it's their choice to leave, but I still don't think his outburst was acceptable. He hates all of us? I think he needs to take some time away if he's that frustrated. With a reaction like that, picky forum posters may not be his only source of consternation.
people are getting older
interests fade, so does enthusiasm for Internet shit
maybe Joe's hitting his limit, who knows
the guy's a bearded 40 somethin' yrsold give him a break
Well if he shaved his beard would that perhaps help? :p
then Dave would definitely turn heel on himQuote:
Originally Posted by Thierry Henry