Game Sack

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Originally Posted by Barone

- Several PS1 compilations have support for TATE and native resolution arcade modes, while most of PS2 releases don't have such options. One prime example: PS1 vs PS2 versions of Namco collections.

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Absolutely right, a lot of 2D PS2 games are 480i only and the comps generally lack TATE. What annoys me is with the SNK releases, there's a few that do 240p (and a few progressive), but a lot are stuck with that ugly flicker. The two Fatal Fury comps are some that do 240p and they look amazing through component.

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Originally Posted by Barone

- Stronger original/exclusive titles.

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This is probably true as well, by the time PS2 was thick with 2D games, fighters (and a few shooters by CAVE etc) were pretty much the only contenders. There is the Vanillaware game(s)? too, but not much else original in pure 2D that I know of.

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Originally Posted by OverDrone

This is probably true as well, by the time PS2 was thick with 2D games, fighters (and a few shooters by CAVE etc) were pretty much the only contenders. There is the Vanillaware game(s)? too, but not much else original in pure 2D that I know of.

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SNK Collection Volume 1, as well as the Genesis Collection, Growlancer Generations and Culdcept.

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Originally Posted by Thief

Yes, I have Taito Collections 1. But part 2 looks like where the real meat is. Grrr. I need to start buying online. Finding some of this stuff locally is so hard sometimes.

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Are you kidding? Both Taito collections are awesome. I loved the hell out of Elevator Action when I was in a kid in the arcades.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

The problem is that 98% of the library doesn't support progressive scan and interlacing combined with emotion engine filters creates the next gen equivalent of the N64 AA problem.

I bought a Japanese PS3 just to try to get better picture quality from PS2 imports and it helps, but the library definitely stands apart from the rest of that generation in picture quality.

If you aren't getting progressive scan through component for 480p games visuals, you're not getting much of any noticeable improvement over s-video.

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Yeah, while I do have my PS2 hooked up by component, it doesn't make much difference versus composite because of how few games support it and because the worst image-quality problems are the same regardless of output method.

(I have never used RGB or S-Video for any system, but I do have most newer systems on component, slightly older ones (pre-PS2) on composite, and a few old ones on RF.

... On that note, I've never bothered to buy an AV cable for my Master System, since I haven't seen a cheap one in person and don't usually buy cables online unless it's something essential. Is it like the Genesis and AV is barely better than RF, or is it better than that? The other RF systems I have can't easily be improved -- NES 2 (I also have an original NES with AV of course, but use both, the 2 mostly for imports), O2, 5200, 7800... but the SMS can.)

But anyway, Black Tiger is right, for the PS2 this isn't just something you fix with different cables.

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Originally Posted by BonusKun

Are you kidding? Both Taito collections are awesome. I loved the hell out of Elevator Action when I was in a kid in the arcades.

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Sure, the first one does have a lot of good games, but they're all very old, '70s to early '80s stuff. The second collection has newer games, and I do remember it being considered more highly perhaps a as a result. For instance, I got Taito Legends 2 within the first year after I bought a PS2 in '08 because I'd heard how great it was, but didn't get around to getting the first collection until last year.

On the other hand though, I got Midway Arcade Treasures 1, with its mostly older library, back when it came out, but didn't get MAT2 for many years afterwards because despite the newer library it just didn't look quite as interesting to me, so it's not just about age. But I do remember Taito Legends 2 being the one that got hype online for being great, moreso than the first one.

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Originally Posted by BonusKun

Are you kidding? Both Taito collections are awesome. I loved the hell out of Elevator Action when I was in a kid in the arcades.

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Honestly. I have hard time getting into games before around 1985. It's something I'm still working on. So don't take my opinion too seriously on this one.

Regarding the ps2 component discussion, the list on this wiki page comes in handy for me as I can't always remember which games support what. So I have it bookmarked in my phone, as it's easy to take a quick glance before starting up a game.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._display_modes

There are many games which support 16:9 tv screens which is nice, but not a lot that are in 480p and even fewer which support 1080i.

I also love those compilation discs of classic games on the ps2, and there are so many of them, I've barely scratched the surface. I have a few for the Xbox as well, the Taito Legends and Tecmo Classic Arcade which I believe is an xbox exclusive. Here are most of the ones I have for PS2. The SNK ones in particular are great, and I absolutely adore the Activision Anthology. That one has some optional licensed early 80s new wave music, and the interface in which to select games is a typical teenager's bedroom in the early 80s where you pick the games from a rack and play them on a little crt. It's a nice touch.
http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/...pskrptbwae.jpg


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ehhh RF to even composite was a decent enough leap for leaving behind dot crawl and other shitty effects, i thought. and PS2 era component cables varied quite widely in quality, i found - gamestop sold tons of shit-tier ones, but if you can get the official ones (or my roommate actually found some high quality multi-use ones, they're on the xbox) it's noticeably better, like playing FF XII i could see the colors on Balthier's individual rings. RGB allows this as well, saying AV/composhit offers the same/similar image quality is patently untrue.

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Originally Posted by IrishNinja

ehhh RF to even composite was a decent enough leap for leaving behind dot crawl and other shitty effects, i thought.

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It depends on the system. With the Turbografx going from RF to composite makes a DRAMATIC difference, the picture gets much brighter and better looking, but the Genesis? Barely can even tell which is which.

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Originally Posted by A Black Falcon

It depends on the system. With the Turbografx going from RF to composite makes a DRAMATIC difference, the picture gets much brighter and better looking, but the Genesis? Barely can even tell which is which.

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oh yeah, i mean those 2 specific examples are interesting, because going from composite to RGB on turbo isn't nearly as big as on genesis, since the genny (my opinion) puts out the worst/most washed-out composite this side of the NES. comparatively, turbo's composite signal really is decent quality, and the extended color palette doesn't hurt either.

looking back, i grew up daisy-chaining RF's to a CRT, so god knows i'd see snow & all kinds of shitty effects for years, haha

New episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVS8lprhKLY

After seeing SNESDrunk's Cool Spot review;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD5harXiVvk

Dave's review basically sucked balls by comparison. Maybe Dave should focus on playing more then just a little. "Quality over quantity." I thought Nintendo preaches that as the gospel to Nintendo fans. I even recall Dave saying that once.

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Originally Posted by Thief

"Quality over quantity." I thought Nintendo preaches that as the gospel to Nintendo fans.

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I think we all know that's a load of horse shit :lol:

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Originally Posted by A Black Falcon

Sure, the first one does have a lot of good games, but they're all very old, '70s to early '80s stuff.

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That's because I'm 44 years old. I've been playing games in the Arcades since I was a kid in 1978.

@profholt82 : Taito Collections were on PS2 also. I've got both volumes 1 and 2.

Funny to see Chester Cheetah games reviewed since I was just playing Wild Wild Quest, but Joe's 100% wrong about the SNES version of that one being better. It may have a transparent HUD (which lets you see more of the playfield) and extra "floating" ability (which lets you skip half the game)...

...but it also has the worst case of slowdown I've ever seen in a platformer (I guess Gradius III is worse overall), plus non-responsive controls and a screwed-up final boss battle. Seriously, the slowdown in the SNES game is practically non-stop. The Genesis version is dramatically more playable.

At least he got Too Cool to Fool right, though -- that's better on the Genesis as well. Disappointed that Darkened Skye didn't get a review, just a teaser -- I'm vaguely curious about that game and it would've been a perfect fit.