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there were nearly 300 games released in just 2 and a half years time. that is an INCREDIBLE amount for any system. I doubt psx had any more at that time. sega didn't drop the ball at all. typical hindsight. what games should they have ported over that they didn't do?Quote:
Originally Posted by avlon
Well said, to be fair SEGA America did bring most of the better titles early in, but it was just so focused on the 32X that it already lost the battle with gamers, retail and 3rd parties in the west. Saturn for me is the best console ever made, but it was 2nd to the PS when it came to racers and platform games. Have to say love Game shack and nice to see Joe also talk up the Saturn and Mega CD :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
Not even close, dude. 245 titles released in between May 1995 and the fall of 1998 in the US. PlayStation had a lot more than 300 by the time it got to two and a half years time with Saturn support dwindling and the N64 and its cartridge format.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
Not sure what you're trying to imply by "typical hindsight"... maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at, but it comes off as elitist... The Saturn had nowhere near 300 games... at least not in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
To answer your question, and as I stated earlier, RPG's and Fighting games were still very popular coming off the 16-bit era, and Sega had the superior versions of most of those types of games left in japan for some reason.
The Lunar games, Grandia, SF3, along with most of Capcoms VS games, D&D Collection, The KOF series, Metal Slug, Real Bout, Deep Fear, Radiant Silvergun,Psychic Assassin Taromaru, Princess Crown, Castlevania SOTN, Elevator Action Returns, Policenauts, ect.
Who knows how many more awesome games weren't ported over or localized outside of JP.
That and popular series getting outright forgotten, ignored, or bastardized. No real Sonic game, SOR went MIA, Shinobi was outsourced and was OK instead of awesome, no Phantasy Star, no proper Golden Axe game, etc.
^ Shining Force 3 Scenario 2 and 3 also weren't released in the US. Good thing for fans and fan translation so we can finally enjoy the entire saga after all these years.
I'm talking in the west not the usa specifically. 240 games released between late 95 (saturn release) and early 98.Quote:
Originally Posted by sull56ivan2010
and in the us 235 games released between late 1995 and early 1998.
n64 didn't even get that number after 5 years
do you have any numbers for playstation between late 95 and early 98 in the west?
240 games I call pretty close to 300. that's a huge number for such a short time. all the major games, including fighting games were released in the west as well. I have no idea what people were expecting here? by late 1997 the system was completely dead. do you honestly expect companies willing to lose even more money to port them over for a western release even though 2d fighting games sold like shit in the west? ever wondered why even street fighter during the late 90s went 3d?Quote:
Originally Posted by avlon
edit: check here a list of 249 games released only in the us: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...bvI/edit#gid=0
are you honestly going to tell me there was a shortage of games when saturn was still alive? there are even dates up till late 97 where no less than 12 games would be released on 1 day. I doubt anyone was able to buy even the majority of them at retail.
Street Fighter Zero 3 for one.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
That was released in japan in late summer of 1999. that's like asking for an n64 version of zelda windwaker
Best Buy was dumping excess inventory in the summer of 97, and that wasn't just Saturn games, because there were just too many games on their shelves. I even picked up N64 games for less than $10.
ToysRus had Panzer Dragoon Saga marked down to $20, because nobody was buying it. I should have picked up a couple extra copies of it and the other late print Saturn titles.
Saturn came out in mid 95 in the USA, bultje. You got to specify better considering you were replying to a guy who mentioned Sega dropping the ball in the US. N64 had more than 235 in five years in the US. Again, specify which region.
I'll give out titles that came out for PlayStation in the US from September 95 through March 1998.
1995: Discworld, Power Serve 3D Tennis, ESPN Xtreme Games, NBA Jam: T.E. Kileak: The DNA Imperative, The Raiden Project, Rayman, Ridge Racer, Total Eclipse Turbo, Zero Divide, Air Combat, PGA Tour 96, Battle Arena Toshinden, Off World Interceptor Extreme, Mortal Kombat 3, CyberSled, WWF Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game, X-COM: UFO Defense, Jumping Flash, Novastorm, Twisted Metal, Tekken, Primal Rage, Doom, Destruction Derby, Zoop, Agile Warrior F-111X, Lemmings 3D, WipEout, FIFA 96, Defcon 5, Space Griffon VF-9, Viewpoint, NHL FaceOff, Bases Loaded 96, Geom Cube, Loaded, Gex, Shockwave Assault, Jupiter Strike, CyberSpeed, NBA In the Zone, Hi-Octane, Road Rash, NFL GameDay.
I'll continue in another post with 1996.
If we were rounding to the nearest hundred 240 would round down to 200, not 300. So 240 isn't close to 300, just as 40 isn't close to 100.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
That said, I'd say the biggest issue with the western library was too much focus on just quick ports of PS1 games and general shovelware. They put heavy emphasis on rather questionable titles while good titles flew under the radar with little to no promotion. Good quality games that showed off what the Saturn could do better than the PS1 were skipped and ignored over games that instead emphasized the Saturn's faults. At the very least, most of the 2D Arcade ports from SNK, Capcom, Konami, etc. needed to be brought over, along with the good JRPGs that later had to be ported to PS1 to be localized, and went on to be come pretty decent hits.
When the last US release is a Working Designs localization of a 1995 Anime game instead of say Shining Force III Scenario 3, Grandia, Lunar 2 Eternal Blue, Street Fighter Zero 3, Deep Fear, etc. you can safely assume someone at Sega of America was drunk at the wheel.
1996 PlayStation titles: I should also specify what I'm mentioning came in the US. Not Europe nor Japan, though a number of these hit those regions. Just the US.
A-Train, Bubble Bobble Featuring Rainbow Islands, Chessmaster 3D, College Slam, D, Floating Runner, Goal Storm, The Hive, Magic Carpet, Mortal Kombat Trilogy, NBA ShootOut, Revolution X, Need for Speed, Robo-Pit, Romance of the Three Kingdoms IV, Shellshock, Slam N Jam 96, Space Hulk, Star-Fighter, Striker 96, Theme Park, Wing Commander III, World Cup Golf: Professional Edition, The Divide: Enemies Within, Cyberia, Philosoma, Assault Rigs, Alien Trilogy, Street Fighter Alpha, King's Field, Krazy Ivan, Johnny Bazookatone, Psychic Detective, Criticom, In the Hunt, NBA Live 96, Brain Dead 13, Rise 2: Resurrection, Descent, Darkstalkers, Extreme Pinball, Bust-A-Move 2, Resident Evil, Populous: The Beginning, Bottom of the 9th, Williams' Greatest Arcade Hits, Return Fire, Starblade Alpha, Battle Arena Toshinden 2, V-Tennis, Skeleton Warriors, Silverload, Tecmo World Golf, Top Gun: Fire at Will, Frank Thomas Big Hurt Baseball, Motor Toon Grand Prix, Fade to Black, International Track and Field, Killing Zone, Gunship, SimCity 2000, Aquanut's Holiday, Olympic Soccer Atlanta 1996, Olympic Summer Games Atlanta 1996, Tecmo's Deception: Invitation to Darkness, King of Fighters 96, Namco Museum Vol. 1, Triple Play 97, Tecmo Super Bowl, Blockids, Bogey Dark 6, Worms, Alone in the Dark: One-Eyed Jack's Revenge, Tekken 2, NFL Full Contact, Adidas Power Soccer, Beyond the Beyond, Casper, Crash Bandicoot, Die Hard Trilogy, Jumping Flash 2, The Final Round, King of Fighters 95, Madden NFL 97, NCAA GameBreaker, NFL Quarterback Club 97, Project Overkill, Project: Horned Owl, Strike Point, True Pinball, Allied General, Black Dawn, Blast Chamber, Burning Road, Formula 1, Fox Hunt, Impact Racing, MLB Pennant Race, Myst, Nascar Racing, NHL PowerPlay 96, PGA Tour 97, Power Rangers Zeo Full Tilt Battle Pinball, Pro Pinball, Ridge Racer Revolution, Slamscape, Steel Harbinger, Street Fighter Alpha 2, Time Commando, Tobal No. 1, Tokyo Highway Battle, WipEout XL, Final Doom, Tetris Plus, Namco Museum Vol. 2, TNN Motor Sports Hardcore 4x4, 2Xtreme, 3D Baseball, VR Golf 97, VR Soccer 96, The Adventures of Lomax, Blazing Dragons, Dare Devil Derby 3D, Destruction Derby 2, Epidemic, Grid Runner, Iron Man and X-O Manowar in Heavy Metal, Jet Moto, King's Field II, NBA Jam Extreme, NBA Live 97, NHL 97, NHL FaceOff 97, Pandemonium, Pitball, Space Jam, Soviet Strike, Star Gladiator Episode I: Final Crusade, Starwinder: The Ultimate Space Race, Street Racer, Tunnel B1, Twisted Metal 2, Suikoden, Warhammer, Shadow of the Horned Rat, Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain, Chronicles of the Sword, Perfect Weapon, Persona, Tomb Raider, WWF In Your House, Bubsy 3D,
1996 Continued:
Area 51, Samurai Showdown IV, 2 on 2 Open Ice Challenge, Andretti Racing, Blades of Blood: Samuari Showdown III, Contra: Legacy of War, Disruptor, Dragonheart: Fire and Steel, FIFA 97, Machine Head, NBA in the Zone 2, NFL GameDay 97, Re-Loaded, Robotron X, Spot Goes to Hollywood, Star Wars: Dark Forces, Star Wars Rebel Assault II, Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo, Tempest X3, Ten Pin Alley, Batman Forever: The Arcade Game, Arcade's Greatest Hits: The Atari Collection 1, Cool Boards, Crusader: No Remorse, and RayStorm
I'm up to over 230 titles between September 1995 and the end of 1996.
I'll do 1997, but it will probably be near 400 or 500.
Big Bass World Championship, Bottom of the 9th 97, Goal Storm 97, Marvel Super Heroes, Namco Museum Vol. 5, Power Move Pro Wrestling, Swagman, War Gods, WCW Nitro, Soul Blade, Carnage Heart, Rally Cross, Namco Museum Vol. 3, Spider: The Video Game, Mega Man 8, Command and Conquer, The Crow: City of Angels, Crypt Killer, The Incredible Hulk: The Pantheon Saga, Independence Day, K-1: The Arena Fighters, MechWarrior 2, Nanotek Warrior, Powerslave, Professional Underground League of Pain, Test-Drive Off-Road, WCW vs the World, Virtual Pool, NBA Shootout 97, Vandal Hearts, Ballblazer Champions, Battle Arena Toshinden 3, Battle Stations, BRAHMA Force: The Assault on Beltlogger 9, Buster Bros. Collection, Jonah Lomu Rugby, NCAA Basketball Final Four 97, Need for Speed II, Peak Performance, Sentinent, TigerShark, VR Soccer 97, Psychic Force, Descent II, Rage Racer, Grand Slam, Rush Hour, Tail of the Sun, Triple Play 98, Wild Arms, International Superstar Soccer Pro, Wing Commander IV, Overblood, Broken Helix, Codename: Helix, Thunder Truck Rally, Hercules, NBA Hangtime, All-Star 1997 Featuring Frank Thomas, Battlesport, Darklight Conflict, Dynasty Warriors, HeXen, MLB 98, Porsche Challenge, VMX Racing, Xevious 3D/G+
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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118