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Originally Posted by Melf

It's a lot more complicated than that. The point is that if Sega overall had really had any interest in making a true Sonic game for Saturn, none of that tragedy would have happened.

And even as big a Sega fan as a I am, I think SM64 was revolutionary and amazing for its time. Fanboyism aside, the game was a watershed moment.

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Well, I find the Sonic Xtreme story very interesting and yeah I did summarize a bit, but 'development hell' really sums up just about insanely troubled and shortchanged the entire development team was for that game.

Sega were literally driving blindfolded throughout most of the mid 90s and it really hit them hard. Kind of serves them right for mismanaging the fuck out of their entire business for years and years

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

Please, I'm no fan of Nintendo fans who love to bash Online gaming make out MS or SONY are not true gaming corps, how their consoles aren't true console because they offer multimedia functions or have the bare face cheek to moan and SONY or MS make sequels to HALO and Drakes and by the same token I despise the SONY PlayStation generation and their ignorance of gaming didn't start before SONY or Final Fantasy 7 is the 1st RPG.

But on there some of SEGA fans can act and be no better in their defense and love of the Mega Drive and look to bash the Snes and not praise it all. Some SEGA fans can just be just as bias as the Nintendo ones, there just seems to be more of the Nintendo lot and Nintendo do get far too much love-in with the press too imo

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Please, tell us more about how Nintendo never released anything for the SNES after the N64 came out, how Sonic R uses high-resolution dithering code-named "pixie dust" to do it's transparencies, and how the Mega CD could totally handle perfect ports Super Scaler arcade games like Galaxy Force.

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Originally Posted by Thief

But 3D was huge back then, TA. I know I basically shunned most 2D games in favour of this so called new 3D thing. Exceptions were stuff like X-Men CotA because I never seen sprites so huge at home and such. But yeah, it took awhile to 3D & 2D enjoyment to balance out a bit more again.



Yes, Mario 64 and then Zelda 64 blew me and everyone away back in the day when they dropped like nukes. No mistake. Also one of those you had to be there moments.

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my jaw dropped way harder with virtua fighter 2 in late 95 than mario 64 or any n64 game then. I remember being intensely disappointed by the shown games and graphics and would not buy an n64 for launch.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Please, tell us more about how Nintendo never released anything for the SNES after the N64 came out, how Sonic R uses high-resolution dithering code-named "pixie dust" to do it's transparencies, and how the Mega CD could totally handle perfect ports Super Scaler arcade games like Galaxy Force.

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Attitude not necessary bruh.

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But on there some of SEGA fans can act and be no better in their defense and love of the Mega Drive and look to bash the Snes and not praise it all.

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Accurate.

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

It works both ways, some of the SEGA fans can be just as bad as any of the Nintendo fanboys in their worship of all things Mega Drive.

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Kind of a false equivalency. It's only really on these message boards that I see people call out Nintendo and defend Sega. The general attitude on the Internet is more than happy to go along with inaccurate Sega bashing and Nintendo praise. Just check out any Sega v Nintendo video by Cinemassacre.

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Originally Posted by bultje112

my jaw dropped way harder with virtua fighter 2 in late 95 than mario 64 or any n64 game then. I remember being intensely disappointed by the shown games and graphics and would not buy an n64 for launch.

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N64 is the one retro system that I've never bought for myself or collected for. The blurry textures (even on s-video) at the time just hurt my eyes. Didn't really care for Mario 64 or Zelda on it either. Coming off the SNES, the lack of RPG's and fighting games also kept me away from the system. Virtua fighters "HD" mode blew me away at the time. Visually, it was very impressive.

The 2 games that I would like to try out on it is RE2 and. Mischief makers. Other than those, I feel that the Saturn and PS1 covered my gaming needs well.

The problem is much bigger than this silly Sega vs Nintendo thing; what happens is that most of these so-called "retro" enthusiasts end up resuming 2 decades ( the 80s and the 90s ) of a very rich and diverse history of arcade and console games to Nintendo, Sonic, Street Fighter II and a couple of other games.

The wonderful creations of the people behind Toaplan, Taito, Data East, Raizing, Compile, among many others, are left to shit and with it goes a good part of videogame history.
Of course, this could change if those big-time gaming websites ( or youtubers, for that matter ) were actually interested in preserving and promoting the history and culture of videogames, but that's not really what they're all about ( just as most game mags back in the day ); instead, what we get are those crappy top-whatever lists, which are more of a popularity contest, spiced with a good deal of blind nostalgia, than anything.

For anyone that truly likes games and their history that kind of brain-dead, narrow minded view is both poisonous and very damaging in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Bottino

The problem is much bigger than this silly Sega vs Nintendo thing; what happens is that most of these so-called "retro" enthusiasts end up resuming 2 decades ( the 80s and the 90s ) of a very rich and diverse history of arcade and console games to Nintendo, Sonic, Street Fighter II and a couple of other games.

The wonderful creations of the people behind Toaplan, Taito, Data East, Raizing, Compile, among many others, are left to shit and with it goes a good part of videogame history.
Of course, this could change if those big-time gaming websites ( or youtubers, for that matter ) were actually interested in preserving and promoting the history and culture of videogames, but that's not really what they're all about ( just as most game mags back in the day ); instead, what we get are those crappy top-whatever lists, which are more of a popularity contest, spiced with a good deal of blind nostalgia, than anything.

For anyone that truly likes games and their history that kind of brain-dead, narrow minded view is both poisonous and very damaging in the long run.

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The 'big-time' gaming websites and youtubers won't change because their interests rest more with generating views, channeling flow for their advertising, and continued self-promotion to repeat steps one and two.

The only remedy I've found is to take yourself off the grid. Instead of watching/listening to fools talk about games, you sit down like it's 1993 and play them yourself. When you're listening to yet another God-forsaken 'VS' video or something completely ridiculous as with the review of a twenty-year-old console's aesthetics or the ergonomics of a controller, it's insanity to me.

But there is only so wide a window for 'retro' material to begin with, I expect many channels will run their course and be replaced by the next generation which will then be further removed from what we here consider 'retro' today...

And as far as the history of it all, whatever - people will make it out to be whatever they want really...

i loved me some mario 64 when it came out, it looked great and the controls were something new to me. besides that, mario kart, goldeneye and turok i didn't find much else to love about the system's offerings. VF2 on the saturn was cool but i was very happy and impressed to have arcade quality-ish ports of virtua cop 2 and house of the dead .

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Please, tell us more about how Nintendo never released anything for the SNES after the N64 came out, how Sonic R uses high-resolution dithering code-named "pixie dust" to do it's transparencies, and how the Mega CD could totally handle perfect ports Super Scaler arcade games like Galaxy Force.

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Lol. Like I told you SEGA made In-House more stuff for the Mega Drive after the Saturn to what Nintendo did with the Snes, after the N64; you seem not to know that Intelligent systems aren't an In-House NCL team but never mind, you also seem not to know there was a 6 year gap between the MD and Saturn, much that beween the Snes and N64, but never mind
You still seem not to know that the Saturn couldn't handle 3D transparent effects in Hardware and even point to videos on youtube that back up what I said for added irony, but never mind, seem not to know Model 2 didn't have the Transparent hardware for 3D effects either, but never mind, still to this day refuse to accept that the MD only had one channel for Sample sound playback, but never mind, make out that Model 1 desgined by GE/MM/Lockheed Martin when it wasn't, but never mind And if all that that wasn't enough, I never ever said or made out that the Mega CD could handle a 'perfect port' of GF II; Only that it could handle a better port than the Mega Drive did, which it simply could have with its ASIC chip and far better sound hardware, but never mind

But hey, keep on dreaming that the Saturn could have handled Mario 64 and looking to tech demo's or youtube vids to back your laughable claims up and its nice to see you're still enjoying that chip on your shoulder even after all these years :p.

I'll just stick to 'FACTS' myself.

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Originally Posted by bultje112

my jaw dropped way harder with virtua fighter 2 in late 95 than mario 64 or any n64 game then. I remember being intensely disappointed by the shown games and graphics and would not buy an n64 for launch.

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Pazner Dragoon made my Jaw drop more than any 32Bit game in terms of impact when you 1st get to see a game move, That game just blew me away when I 1st played it, it was like the best looking and sounding game I had ever seen in the home and also I'll never forget seeing VF Remix for the 1st time and to see the lovely use of the High Res mode for the 1st time . I sort of agree with on the N64 tbh, but Mario was a game changer and it was leaps and bounds above anything else on any system not just in gameplay, but tech too on home systems It's just a shame that no N64 game after that came close in gfx terms

For me while I was super impressed with both Rally and VF II on that Christmas 95, it was Virtual Cop on the Saturn that impressed me the most and I'll never forget Lee's words to me in Dec 1995 (Lee the boss of the Importshop that just had the stock in from Japan) 'It the Arcade machine' and that's more or less what Virtual Cop was on the Saturn...The Arcade game with nothing cut out and looked ever more impressive than the PS Time Crisis as another massive Plus

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Originally Posted by Gogogadget

Well, I find the Sonic Xtreme story very interesting and yeah I did summarize a bit, but 'development hell' really sums up just about insanely troubled and shortchanged the entire development team was for that game.

Sega were literally driving blindfolded throughout most of the mid 90s and it really hit them hard. Kind of serves them right for mismanaging the fuck out of their entire business for years and years

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It's shows how not to run a Studio and shows what a complete mess SEGA America internal studios were at the time, it's pretty shocking, total utter mismanagement; You're so called Elite In-House studio not up to the task of 32 Bit development, never mind the total waste of time and money the Muti Media Studio was .. One Great game and one game that it looked and played like something a schoolboy made on his Amiga for his homework project and that's it.

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Originally Posted by Bottino

The problem is much bigger than this silly Sega vs Nintendo thing; what happens is that most of these so-called "retro" enthusiasts end up resuming 2 decades ( the 80s and the 90s ) of a very rich and diverse history of arcade and console games to Nintendo, Sonic, Street Fighter II and a couple of other games.

The wonderful creations of the people behind Toaplan, Taito, Data East, Raizing, Compile, among many others, are left to shit and with it goes a good part of videogame history.
Of course, this could change if those big-time gaming websites ( or youtubers, for that matter ) were actually interested in preserving and promoting the history and culture of videogames, but that's not really what they're all about ( just as most game mags back in the day ); instead, what we get are those crappy top-whatever lists, which are more of a popularity contest, spiced with a good deal of blind nostalgia, than anything.

For anyone that truly likes games and their history that kind of brain-dead, narrow minded view is both poisonous and very damaging in the long run.

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I don't agree. stuff like metaljesus and game sack are doing the right thing and have a lot of viewers.

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Originally Posted by bultje112

I don't agree. stuff like metaljesus and game sack are doing the right thing and have a lot of viewers.

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Agreed and of course the huge difference is was that SEGA and Nintendo made their own consoles and so are always going to get more brand identity, same goes for systems like the Amiga or ZX Spectrum, never mind that Sinlcare or Commodore didn't develope games themselfs.

That said my fav corps have been and will always be

1) SEGA
2) GameArts
3) RAIZING
4) Lobotomy

Come'on now. STI worked with AM1 on Die Hard Arcade. They were also responsible for Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Comix Zone and Sonic Spinball. The Sonic X-Treme debacle was beyond STI's control.