I will never understand how people, especially of your age, can't enjoy graphics from back in the day. I guess more people than I thought are limited in having an historic framework.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonusKun
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I will never understand how people, especially of your age, can't enjoy graphics from back in the day. I guess more people than I thought are limited in having an historic framework.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonusKun
Part of the artistry and charm of the Saturn Panzer Dragoon games is how much they built the aesthetics around the limitations of the time. You can totally remake the game with lots of square plates layered onto hi-def models, but it will be a stale and disconnected experience of its own.
I think the difference here should be noted between:
"Top RPGs of ALL time"
Vs.
"Top RPGs of THEIR time?
It is easy to go by Nostalgia or games we've actually played, but there have been so many amazing RPGs that I have a difficult time believing anyone truly takes into account every single RPG ever made when going into these lists. Which is ok, mind you, we're only human (not so much if it's coming from a large group such as IGN or Game Informer, though).
I haven't played every single RPG out there, but I have given most of those 100 games in each list a go at one point or another, and...
...IMHO, Ni No Kuni tops them all in gameplay, graphics, story, dialogue and overall theme.
Also to be noted is a third differing factor:
"Top RPGs of YOUR time" (I used a play on words there ;). But what I really mean here is "Your personal top favorite RPGs". And this draws from nostalgia and personal "bias", if you will. Which, honestly, is my preferred kind of list to read. There is personal reasoning, sure, but no mere mathematical or statistical "formula" that goes behind the selection. What truly drives this selection is "Love". And that, folks, is the sort of list I like to read.
And going by nostalgia alone, my personal pick will always be Phantasy Star II. Which is my favorite RPG and game of all time. It pulls all the right strings for me personally.
I do find the 32 bit video game consoles graphics humbling and accept them for what whey are. On a good functional CRT that is. I would not be as accepting if on a newer LCD display.
^This. Strictly speaking 3D games for me, that is. I find 32-bit 2D titles timeless, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeDeeNo76
And the same goes for me with any generation. :)
Yes, I am of the same mind too. With some 2D games on most any display.
I'd be ok with it in the top 10, but not number 1. What makes Skyrim great are the mods. Without the mods, it loses a lot of it's appeal. It's also not the most polished game out there either, especially the console versions.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Honestly I found that list kind of ridiculous for the following reasons:
-No Lunar games made the list at all
-The first Grandia didn't make the list
-No Shining Force games made the list
-Only Phantasy Star IV made the list, no Phantasy Star II or any of the online games when worse multiplayer RPGs made the list.
-Destiny made the list
-Dragon Age Inquisition made the list
-The Mass Effect Trilogy was broken up, and then they rated the best one lowest and the worst ones highest.
-Breath of the Wild was on the list (I've always been of the idea that Zelda games are Adventure games, not RPGs. Only Zelda II get's close enough to be called an RPG.)
-Symphony of the Night was on the list (Great game, but not something I'd consider an RPG. Might as well throw Super Metroid on the list if you're going to include that game).
-Diablo 3 was on the list, when most are of the opinion it wasn't that good. And again better online RPGs were skipped over.
I like exploring and Skyrim has a ton of that. Plus, the story isn't linear like most RPGs and you get to choose wether to run or fight. I never finished Final Fantasy XIII because of a retarded boss battle that lasted forever and I always ended up dead, because my characters weren't powerful enough and you had to pretty much use specific spells and a rotation of characters to survive.
And I'd say both Xenoblade games handled those aspects better, and only one of those made the list and was ranked far lower.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Finally, something I can agree with. Or are you just messing with me. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Gogogadget
This. Reason why I never play emulated PS1 games with upscaled graphics. Now Dark Souls 1 on PC upscaled from less then 720p to 1080p and with hi-res texture mods, that I can live with and prefer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Tiger
No way! Xenoblade had zoned based exploration, while I could ride my horse across the whole map in Skyrim and every rock, tree and plant would be in its exact place every time. There was no random generated scenery, the characters weren't cartoony looking and neither was the surrounding areas. I'll take live combat over the worn out turn based system any day.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Yeah, me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
To be honest I don't either but you have to remember, Back in the day graphics wasn't too much of a great thing with the type of limited specs on PCs and console systems. We were lucky to get 256 colors for a game when I was a kid. The old D&D Project games come to mind or early versions of Bard's Tale or fuck's sake Zork on the old Apple II computer.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
And you had to make your own maps with graph paper. I still have my maps from The Bard's Tale, when I was playing it on my C-64 back in 1986.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonusKun
Seeing Ultima IV on that list just makes me cringe. The game is just so dated and I honestly don't think that it is all that fun to play, even back then. It may have been one of the most influential titles of the genre, but nowhere near the top 100 greatest RPGs now.