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Originally Posted by Gamer101

Get the VT-25 series. 16 ms of lag, amazing picture. Done deal. Combine that with outboard processing and ever better lag times and picture can be achieved.

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I know you've been banned, but 16 ms of lag is horrible. My 52" Samsung LCD has 3 ms of lag and I never really noticed any lag on my HD CRT. Still, old gaming consoles look better on SDTV.

Keep in mind that specs given from manufacturers, especially lag and contrast, are usually (if not always) embellished. The ms rating could be feeding a 1080p signal to a 1080p display with all modes of processing turned off, not trying to interpret a 240p signal and scaling it up to 1080p which will undoubtedly take longer as most TVs will wait for both fields to fill a frame (falsely interlacing the 240p signal) and then re-deinterlace it and then scale. Unless the HDTV scales by the field, you have at least 1/60th of a second delay before scaling even begins. The manufacturer will only give you best-case scenarios.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

You got two options: Buying an RGB to Y'PbPr component transcoder or buying an RGB to HDMI converter.

The component transcoder doesn't work with all HDTVs, but you could also use it with any decent CRT that takes component video. The later is definitely the most jawusum solution and gets CE's seal of approval™.

The other option is the HDMI converter: This is rather bullet proof as it works on all HDTVs with HDMI port - but there are a lot of shitty HDMI converters out there, so finding a good one can be a bit tricky. (I'd try this one first, and then, if the picture appears to be oversaturated or stretched, this one).

Hooking up ANY analog devices to an HDTV will introduce lag. Using these will help with picture quality mostly but also might reduce lag as would be introduced using composite or S-Video connections as the TV applies the most video post processing filters (which are the reason for most of the lag) to these channels.

You will also need an RGB-SCART cable for your Mega Drive.

Good thing is that you can hook up just about ANY machine using these adapters (aside of NES, TG-16 and N64 for which no RGB cables are available).

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Shit, thanks a lot man! I will definitely look into these. I like this solution, because it doesn't require me to rape my console.
Also, I think somebody (it could've been you) posted a link to a website that reviewed and compared these devices. I can't seem to find it. Any idea?

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Originally Posted by Olls

Is there anyone here that uses S-video or composite on an HDTV and can elaborate a little more on this?

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http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/.../LG_Plasma.jpg

Model 1 HDG Non-TMSS Genesis via Composite. The HDTV is a 60 Inch 1080p Plasma. I haven't noticed any lag on it really. The picture on my set looks a bit better than in that pic since I went back and properly calibrated it. :)

Waah, that looks better than I thought it would, especially on a big screen like that. At least, judging from the picture and the distance it was taken from.
I think I'll go for composite. I have the same genesis model and a somewhat smaller plasma screen, so it should be good. Thanks!

Did you keep the sides grey on purpose or never bothered to change?
I had to change mine in the option settings to black, looks much better when watching 4x3 video.

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Originally Posted by Olls

Waah, that looks better than I thought it would, especially on a big screen like that. At least, judging from the picture and the distance it was taken from.
I think I'll go for composite. I have the same genesis model and a somewhat smaller plasma screen, so it should be good. Thanks!

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It was taken from about 6 feet away. I'll take another pic with the TV properly calibrated and the lights out. Maybe a little closer. That way you can get a better idea of what it looks like. If you want me to though.

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Originally Posted by NeoVamp

Did you keep the sides grey on purpose or never bothered to change?
I had to change mine in the option settings to black, looks much better when watching 4x3 video.

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When I took those pics I was still calibrating the TV. Since then I changed the borders to Black. I too find it better when watching 4:3 media.

Hmm, it's alright. I've done some research and figured out that with RGB the image looks more crisp, whereas with composite it is more blurry. However, with composite dithering doesn't really show, whereas with RGB it looks real ugly.
What are the benefits of S-Video?
Now I'm really confused.

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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer

Gamer101, I honestly don't think you are capable of perceiving the tongue-in-cheek aspect of the show. No Polaroid HDTVs were actually used. We think it is ridiculous that Polaroid even makes TVs. Only high-end Sony HDTVs (LCD and CRT) were used in the making of this video and a SD Sony and Toshiba CRT. We clearly said that not all HDTVs are created equal and that some HDTVs have more lag than others. There was no bias. Please stop watching our videos, they are not for you. Thanks.

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Yeah, but high-end doesn't mean shit much of the time.

Many cheap TVs can beat the crap out of high-end sets as far as SD content is concerned, some cheap TVs suck too, and some high-end sets are great, there's basically no correlation.

Sony TVs are hit and miss, some are total shit for SD content, others are OK, Samsung tends to be more consistently good but still falls short at times, and Phillips seems to be among the best. (my only experience is the nice Phillips LCD SDTV, but I've seen good comments about Phillips HD sets in general)
I think Sanyo sets (which tend to be in the cheap range price wise) might be among the better cases too. (interestingly, TVs with s-video input seem to be somewhat more consistent with good SD support, and those with no S-video more spotty -but that's not a reliable gauge either)

The best examples of digital TVs with SDTV content (be it composite, S-video, or component/RGB) tend to be very close to good SD CRTs in quality, and much better than poorer CRTs. (a shame that it's so hard to find good TVs . . . but if you don't feel too awkward, you could always bring in some old consoles to test with a TV before buying ;))


It's not just an issue with deinterlacing, scaling, or lag either, but some HD sets have truly horrible composite video decoding (color bleed, dot crawl, really nasty) and that can exacerbate other issues like forced deinterlacing.
Crap RF support can also be an issue.

HD CRTs don't seem to be particularly good at anything, before I learned much about them, I assumed they were like good VGA monitors, but in reality, they're more like higher resolution incarnations of SD CRTs without any native SD resolution support. At best, you might find one that can sync to 480p/720p/1080i, but you definitely won't find anything as flexible as VGA monitor resolution capabilities, or VGA quality beam precision. (high persistent phosphor also means more motion blur, that phosphor as well as relatively wide beam pitch is used for 1080i support -I don't think any 720p specific sets changed that either, and I don't think 1080p CRTs were common in general)
It's really sad as good CRTs could STILL be the peak in video quality with high-end LED dynamic lit LCD sets just barely close to catching up. (they'd be bulkier or at least heavier -for projection sets, but lighter and much less power hungry than plasmas -about the same as LCDs, probably more than LED lit ones- and still better image quality on top of that . . . and TRUE multi-sync capabilities for variable resolutions with zero scaling -albeit interlaced stuff would tend to flicker rather badly on good low-persistence phosphors, unless perhaps a special double trace mechanism was used to scan out each field twice to avoid flicker, yet avoid delay/overhead or artifacts of deinterlacing ;))

Let alone issues with edge enhancement or other filters. ;)

I'm not sure on how consistent this is, but Plasma sets also seem to be more often worse than LCDs for SD content. (image quality/contrast is better, but that has nothing to do with SD resolutions . . . that 6 year old Phillips LCD obviously isn't as good as a CRT in contrast/viewing angle quality, but the actual video support for SD resolutions -which is ALL it does, composite and s-vidoe decoding as well as component, all look great, RF is OK too -only Sega consoles give me trouble, but they all have composite anyway, Atari stuff looks fine; component looks great too, as does the 16:9 mode, lag isn't noticeable)
A damn shame that sort of support isn't the base standard for all DTVs. (better supporting HD sets are that good though, and newer ones will have much better contrast/color quality)



So HDTVs can be great for retro gaming, but you have to find the right one for the job. ;)

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Originally Posted by Olls

Hmm, it's alright. I've done some research and figured out that with RGB the image looks more crisp, whereas with composite it is more blurry. However, with composite dithering doesn't really show, whereas with RGB it looks real ugly.
What are the benefits of S-Video?
Now I'm really confused.

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Composite also tends to have horrible rainbow moire artifacts on fine dithering or fine detail on non-dithered stuff. (like the buildings in Vapor Trail among other things)

S-Video greatly reduces that and RGB avoids it.

S-Video has little advantage over RGB other than being cheaper/easier to mod than buying a component transcoder and more compatible with some older TVs. (it also uses the same color/contrast as composite, while RGB has different color balance, saturation and contrast levels, and you'd need to switch the TV to different settings to correct that -and then switch back for other composite/s-video based consoles . . . )

RGB also tends to have vertical line interference issues (slight shade differences in columns) while s-video can also have that, it can also be less nocticeable. (it varies a lot by console and TV, sometimes RGB is better)



If you want a really blurry system with no rainbow artifacts, you'll want a Samsung KA2195D encoder, the worst one if you want clean video or S-video support (no luminance line), but it's great if you want fully blended dithering and no color artifacts. (on better TVs, the dot crawl artifacts are no worse than Sony encoders, so that's a non-issue too)

If you want sharp video or s-video, the Samsung chip is the worst of the bunch for sure. (though RGB is always an option)

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

You got two options: Buying an RGB to Y'PbPr component transcoder or buying an RGB to HDMI converter.

The component transcoder doesn't work with all HDTVs, but you could also use it with any decent CRT that takes component video. The later is definitely the most jawusum solution and gets CE's seal of approval™.

The other option is the HDMI converter: This is rather bullet proof as it works on all HDTVs with HDMI port - but there are a lot of shitty HDMI converters out there, so finding a good one can be a bit tricky. (I'd try this one first, and then, if the picture appears to be oversaturated or stretched, this one).

Hooking up ANY analog devices to an HDTV will introduce lag. Using these will help with picture quality mostly but also might reduce lag as would be introduced using composite or S-Video connections as the TV applies the most video post processing filters (which are the reason for most of the lag) to these channels.

You will also need an RGB-SCART cable for your Mega Drive.

Good thing is that you can hook up just about ANY machine using these adapters (aside of NES, TG-16 and N64 for which no RGB cables are available).

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On the topic of these boxes: I've found this video that explains the difference.
It seems all the HDMI converter does is put a filter over the whole thing. It doesn't really look any better, and it makes the colours come out worse.
What does the RGB to Y'PbPr component transcoder do?

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

Composite also tends to have horrible rainbow moire artifacts on fine dithering or fine detail on non-dithered stuff. (like the buildings in Vapor Trail among other things)

S-Video greatly reduces that and RGB avoids it.

S-Video has little advantage over RGB other than being cheaper/easier to mod than buying a component transcoder and more compatible with some older TVs. (it also uses the same color/contrast as composite, while RGB has different color balance, saturation and contrast levels, and you'd need to switch the TV to different settings to correct that -and then switch back for other composite/s-video based consoles . . . )

RGB also tends to have vertical line interference issues (slight shade differences in columns) while s-video can also have that, it can also be less nocticeable. (it varies a lot by console and TV, sometimes RGB is better)



If you want a really blurry system with no rainbow artifacts, you'll want a Samsung KA2195D encoder, the worst one if you want clean video or S-video support (no luminance line), but it's great if you want fully blended dithering and no color artifacts. (on better TVs, the dot crawl artifacts are no worse than Sony encoders, so that's a non-issue too)

If you want sharp video or s-video, the Samsung chip is the worst of the bunch for sure. (though RGB is always an option)

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Alright, that's pretty informative, thanks. But, do I really need the component transcoder or can I just run with an RGB scart cable such as this one?

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Originally Posted by Olls

On the topic of these boxes: I've found this video that explains the difference.
It seems all the HDMI converter does is put a filter over the whole thing. It doesn't really look any better, and it makes the colours come out worse.
What does the RGB to Y'PbPr component transcoder do?

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RGB to component is the same as RGB, but it works on NTSC TVs. If you use an HD set, an HDMI scaler migth be a better option. (unless you know the HDTV has good SDTV resolution support and can work with 240p in component)

If you don't want RGB quality video, that's not a good option though. (unless RGB with sharpness all the way down looks OK)

I personally take visible dithering over blur anyway and rarely have any filters on in emulators because of that. ;)
Dithering is super obvious much of the time in composite anyway (especially in low res games, and in high res there's often nasty artifacting too).

If you like RGB clarity, but want a "soft" look, then turning sharpness to zero might work well enough. (it depends heavily on the TV though)

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

RGB to component is the same as RGB, but it works on NTSC TVs. If you use an HD set, an HDMI scaler migth be a better option. (unless you know the HDTV has good SDTV resolution support and can work with 240p in component)

If you don't want RGB quality video, that's not a good option though. (unless RGB with sharpness all the way down looks OK)

I personally take visible dithering over blur anyway and rarely have any filters on in emulators because of that. ;)
Dithering is super obvious much of the time in composite anyway (especially in low res games, and in high res there's often nasty artifacting too).

If you like RGB clarity, but want a "soft" look, then turning sharpness to zero might work well enough. (it depends heavily on the TV though)

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Okay, that answered both of my questions. Thanks a lot. I'm in PAL territory, so I don't need the transcoder. I'll just grab one of those cables.
While we're on the topic of cables: do RCA cables allow me to output stereo sound from a model 1?
Also: would I still need a transcoder if I were to use a modded Mega Drive to play NTSC games in 60hz?

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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer

Keep in mind that specs given from manufacturers, especially lag and contrast, are usually (if not always) embellished. The ms rating could be feeding a 1080p signal to a 1080p display with all modes of processing turned off, not trying to interpret a 240p signal and scaling it up to 1080p which will undoubtedly take longer as most TVs will wait for both fields to fill a frame (falsely interlacing the 240p signal) and then re-deinterlace it and then scale. Unless the HDTV scales by the field, you have at least 1/60th of a second delay before scaling even begins. The manufacturer will only give you best-case scenarios.

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Yeah, I'm aware of processing a lower resolution signal adding to the lag. I've played PS2 Guitar Hero and PSOne Um Lammer Jammy using the display and didn't have any issues with lag. I'm pretty sure it added a MS or 2, but not enough to make a huge difference.

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

Sony TVs are hit and miss, some are total shit for SD content, others are OK, Samsung tends to be more consistently good but still falls short at times, and Phillips seems to be among the best. (my only experience is the nice Phillips LCD SDTV, but I've seen good comments about Phillips HD sets in general)
I think Sanyo sets (which tend to be in the cheap range price wise) might be among the better cases too. (interestingly, TVs with s-video input seem to be somewhat more consistent with good SD support, and those with no S-video more spotty -but that's not a reliable gauge either)

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Sanyo and Phillips are crap. The colors are usually washed out, the black levels are horrible and the overall quality of the sets is bottom of the heap. Phillips used to be a solid name in the industry, but what you're seeing now is rebranded RCA.

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Originally Posted by Olls

Okay, that answered both of my questions. Thanks a lot. I'm in PAL territory, so I don't need the transcoder. I'll just grab one of those cables.
While we're on the topic of cables: do RCA cables allow me to output stereo sound from a model 1?
Also: would I still need a transcoder if I were to use a modded Mega Drive to play NTSC games in 60hz?

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You need to use a simple adapter for the headphone jack for stereo.

Can you post a link or picture that shows what that looks like? I've tried to find some information about it, but all I'm coming up with is a stereo mod? What is the point of doing that when you can get stereo through the headphone out?

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Originally Posted by Olls

Can you post a link or picture that shows what that looks like? I've tried to find some information about it, but all I'm coming up with is a stereo mod? What is the point of doing that when you can get stereo through the headphone out?

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not much, but its nice to have the option of audio cables and av cables

Olls, if you stereo mod the SCART converter, it is mainly for systems that have no other means of audio output like the SNES, Saturn, etc.

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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer

Olls, if you stereo mod the SCART converter, it is mainly for systems that have no other means of audio output like the SNES, Saturn, etc.

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Alright. Where would I go about finding a stereo adapter cable for a model 1? There is nothing on e-bay, or I simply don't know what to look for.

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Originally Posted by Olls

Alright. Where would I go about finding a stereo adapter cable for a model 1? There is nothing on e-bay, or I simply don't know what to look for.

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You don't want anything specific to the model 1, it's a super common generic cable found at most electronics stores that carry audio equipment, but Sega never released a version under their brand. (rather odd actually, you'd think Sega would want to promoted/introduce a product that would promote the stereo audio capabilities as well as allow a hefty margin on a super cheap product ;))

It goes by a number of names, but if you search something like " 1/8" -or 3.5mm- stereo RCA adapter " or similar (maybe mentioning headphone), you should find it, they're really cheap too. ("y cable" or "y adapter" are also common terms in that context)

There's 2 main types you'd want: 1 that directly adapts to male RCA connectors (in which case, be sure to get one long enough for your needs), and another with female RCA jacks. (the latter may be a simple solid plug-in adapter, or with cable leads ending in RCA connectors)

Here's some examples:
http://www.frontx.com/pro/c216_042.html
http://pcsugar.com/files/2010/05/hos...ca-300x248.jpg
http://www.knowzy.com/images/Cables_...le-Adapter.jpg
http://electronics.become.com/2x-rca...s--sc953358708

Make sure you don't get one with a female headphone jack though, that would be a bit pointless. ;)


And some good examples of ones for sale:
http://www.amazon.com/Stereo-3-5mm-2.../dp/B0027RPUVS

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-8-Y-adapter-st...item2eb5d90ec5

http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5mm-1-8-stereo...item4aab52dbad

http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5mm-1-8-stereo...item230f5f29a5

Assuming you already have some free stereo RCA cables around, those female RCA adapters would be nice options. (they're the cheapest BIN ones on there now too . . . $.99 US with free shipping ;))









Also, Joe, you're lucky if thrift stores have good cheap TVs in your area . . . local goodwills (and I mean at very least the 3 or 4 in San Jose and Morgan Hill) have really bad prices on TVs ranging from about $20-30 (usually for 14-15" stuff) to $40/50 to $60-80 for 28-32" stuff, though it's rather inconsistent.
It's really stupid too as the things sit there so long that they start getting banged up. (and the remotes usually walk off after a week or so)
If they cut their prices in half across the board, it would probably be fine. (no idea what they're thinking, or what price giude/mandate they're using)

However, there are lots of good Craigslist adds, often for free stuff, though finding a decent newer model Trinitron, Wega, or comparable Sanyo/Phillips/Sharp/etc set is a bit more difficult. (well, it's hard to find them really super cheap or free, they come up for $20-40 pretty often)

Latest episode which shows what happens when you take your obsession with videogaming beyond the games themselves.

The ending cracked ruled :D

Did Dave bring out all that stuff you your place or was it filmed at his place ?

I don't think Dave has that many Genesis games, so I think they filmed it at Joe's place - unless Joe carried over all his Genesis games to Dave's place :P-

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

You don't want anything specific to the model 1, it's a super common generic cable found at most electronics stores that carry audio equipment, but Sega never released a version under their brand. (rather odd actually, you'd think Sega would want to promoted/introduce a product that would promote the stereo audio capabilities as well as allow a hefty margin on a super cheap product ;))

It goes by a number of names, but if you search something like " 1/8" -or 3.5mm- stereo RCA adapter " or similar (maybe mentioning headphone), you should find it, they're really cheap too. ("y cable" or "y adapter" are also common terms in that context)

There's 2 main types you'd want: 1 that directly adapts to male RCA connectors (in which case, be sure to get one long enough for your needs), and another with female RCA jacks. (the latter may be a simple solid plug-in adapter, or with cable leads ending in RCA connectors)

Here's some examples:
http://www.frontx.com/pro/c216_042.html
http://pcsugar.com/files/2010/05/hos...ca-300x248.jpg
http://www.knowzy.com/images/Cables_...le-Adapter.jpg
http://electronics.become.com/2x-rca...s--sc953358708

Make sure you don't get one with a female headphone jack though, that would be a bit pointless. ;)


And some good examples of ones for sale:
http://www.amazon.com/Stereo-3-5mm-2.../dp/B0027RPUVS

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-8-Y-adapter-st...item2eb5d90ec5

http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5mm-1-8-stereo...item4aab52dbad

http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5mm-1-8-stereo...item230f5f29a5

Assuming you already have some free stereo RCA cables around, those female RCA adapters would be nice options. (they're the cheapest BIN ones on there now too . . . $.99 US with free shipping ;))

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Thanks a lot man!
Nice vid again, Gamesack.

I want a pair of those Mario boxer shorts !

Olls, why do you ask for advice on how to properly hook up your Genesis to an HDTV if you're just going to use composite anyway ? -_-

That was shot at Dave's place. He owns more Genesis games than I do, though they are games like Madden, My Little Pony, Ariel the Little Mermaid, etc whereas my games are like Thunder Force 4, Gleylancer, Super Fantasy Zone, MUSHA and cool games. That would suck carrying all that stuff around. I still haven't decided where we should shoot next week's episode. Could be either place and no matter what one of us will have to haul stuff to the other person's house. Hmmm, that makes me think it should be shot here.

Is it just me or is the color saturation all over the place when Dave is talking about DLC?

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Olls, why do you ask for advice on how to properly hook up your Genesis to an HDTV if you're just going to use composite anyway ? -_-

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I'm looking for the best option. Composite doesn't look so hot., so I'd rather go scart.

I like the friendly, sun light lit atmosphere at Dave's place. Shooting in a basement isn't bad per se but shooting in a basement only sure didn't do AVGN's videos any good.


Olls, sorry, seems I missed your recent posts on this subject. Yeah, if you're in Europe you can skip the whole Y'PbPr transcoder/HDMI converter stuff and simply plug it in via SCART. Btw, they do have RGB cables with a separate headphone connector so you don't necessarily need an additional cable for stereo.

Another thing: I noticed that some cables produce a blurry oversaturated picture while good ones should produce a crystal clear picture (much like in an emulator). If you're not happy with your cable you probably should try out another seller.

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Originally Posted by Lastcallhall

Is it just me or is the color saturation all over the place when Dave is talking about DLC?

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Actually the color saturation all but goes away during that segment since pre-order DLC sucks away your soul.

DLC is of the devil.

My game sack really gets flattened out after playing rpg's and rts's.

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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer

Latest episode which shows what happens when you take your obsession with videogaming beyond the games themselves.

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I like the new intro..arre you going to keep it?

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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer

That was shot at Dave's place. He owns more Genesis games than I do, though they are games like Madden, My Little Pony, Ariel the Little Mermaid, etc whereas my games are like Thunder Force 4, Gleylancer, Super Fantasy Zone, MUSHA and cool games. That would suck carrying all that stuff around. I still haven't decided where we should shoot next week's episode. Could be either place and no matter what one of us will have to haul stuff to the other person's house. Hmmm, that makes me think it should be shot here.

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There is no My Little Pony game for the MD/Genesis (there is a Little mermaid game though).
However, Sega of America made up for that with their in-house original Pony themed game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q63LDQTIAro

:D




Oh, and that mention of Happy Meal toys reminds me that I've got one of those Knuckles happy meal toys from the mid 90s.

Here's the one:
http://tomopop.com/ul/18580-tomocast...onic1-550x.jpg
http://tomopop.com/ul/18580-tomocast...onic1-550x.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5260/...b9bcb3ff73.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5260/...b9bcb3ff73.jpg

Don't have any of the others in that set though.

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Originally Posted by KnightWarrior

I like the new intro..arre you going to keep it?

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Yes indeed!

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Originally Posted by kool kitty

There is no My Little Pony game for the MD/Genesis (there is a Little mermaid game though).
However, Sega of America made up for that with their in-house original Pony themed game

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Any man points that you may have had, you just lost for actually knowing this information.

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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer

Any man points that you may have had, you just lost for actually knowing this information.

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:p
I'm not sure I'd even know about that game if it wasn't for it hiding in a friend's collection . . . just something he'd picked up (probably with a bulk lot on ebay or something) and hadn't even played.

Then again, I probably would have found it if I tried to search for My Little Pony on the Genesis. (that's what I did for Little Mermaid . . . wiki and control+F ;))

Still you made attempts to find out that info, which is something you should have not done :P

I also noticed Dave's shirt is in worse condition than Joe's

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Originally Posted by TmEE

Still you made attempts to find out that info, which is something you should have not done :P

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When I noticed it (might have been Apolloboy) on Arnoldthebartender's shelf . . . well curiosity got the better of us, and we had to see what it actually was. (again, I think it had come with some random bulk lot and it sat there with the other games untested iirc until that day when we popped it in and tried it out for a few minutes :p . . . I think we tried Awesome Possum that same day and found how bizarrely choppy it is on real hardware)
I think what happened was Apolloboy noticed it and I was the one to suggest actually trying it. :p (yeah, not helping my case :lol: )

It was complete in box too . . . hmm, what was that special note on the cover again . . . oh yeah, it's part of the "Sega Club" series of games. ;)
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images...8858_front.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images...38858_back.jpg
(also odd that the cover art doesn't match the default color selection in-game -starts of brown, green, and blue iirc, not pink and lavender)
Oh, and nice for the V.R.C to point out that Age 4-7 suggestion. :p


Definitely didn't go to THESE lengths of playing it. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAc-_5eqew4

(it's a bit refreshing to find a decent "let's play" commentary too, this one's rather entertaining IMO)

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I also noticed Dave's shirt is in worse condition than Joe's

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He's not wearing his Game Sack shirt either, but a regular Nintendo one.

Those happy meal toys are pretty fucking awesome I must say, especially Sonic.

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Originally Posted by Olls

Those happy meal toys are pretty fucking awesome I must say, especially Sonic.

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Funny thing is that I got mine without owning anything Sega back then, and not even playing a Sonic much game until later. (largely thanks to Sega PC publishing ;))
Though I knew about it from the Sega commercials (especially the Sonic 3 and S&K ones) and the cartoons. (except Knuckles wasn't in either . . . weird though since I could have sworn he was)