Affinity:Sorrow

1. The SNES had a smaller resolution. The width is 256 pixels always, but MD games can use either 256 or 320.
2. The SNES has a taller resolution, but because it usually cuts vblank time badly it's commonplace to get rid of part of the display to get more blanking time.
3. That image you show there definitely has part of the display cut. If I were to go by the resolution of that image (assuming pixels are square-sized), that'd be around 256×170... I guess the game does show a bit more than that, but still, compare that to 320×224.
4. Phantasy Star II and IV are guilty of showing a lot of stuff =P

If anything, complain that the buildings are too small.

The only game I can think of that show a lot of screen is phantasy star. I only remembered that after you mentioning them too. Btw the resolution the resolution is weird is thats the GBA version.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

The only game I can think of that show a lot of screen is phantasy star. I only remembered that after you mentioning them too.

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Because they ran at 320×224. SNES RPGs ran at 256 pixels wide and a shorter height (depends on the game). I know Chrono Trigger shows a huge blank bar at the bottom =/

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Originally Posted by Clessy

Btw the resolution the resolution is weird is thats the GBA version.

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So 240×160... Yeah, not a good comparison =P

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Originally Posted by dra600n

We're still messing with some options and changes, so it's hard to determine what we're exactly changing at the moment and what we aren't. The next changes will take a lot of coding for just a minimal thing, but it is what it is :)

As for Clessy's comment on the map being too viewable all at once - Gimmick & I discussed that last night and we agree with you.
Now, Clessy and everyone else, please take the arguing/name calling to PM please. This is suppose to be a topic of some potential awesomeness, not a flame war :) I'd hate to not come here and post updates because people are arguing/fighting. As Gimmick said, we're giving some updates because we've been silent for a while, and we don't want to make people think we've disappeared or quit on the project. We don't expect everyone to like what we've done/what we're doing/what we plan on doing, and we love hearing everyone's thoughts and opinions, so keep them coming :)

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Sorry, but PM fighting is no common here at all.
My bad if I scared you of posting something.
I was encouraging you from the very first post here, if you read.

Clessy just had trashed some other nice (not so nice like your, maybe) initiatives and that led to my rage against him. I want to see this project completed and very well done. I'll be buying a copy as son as get it released, you have my word.

Sorry if I came across your intentions.

I think that some heat is very common across this board. I'll personally not deal roughly with anybody else in this thread, no matter what, 'cause you have been very clear about this somehow going against the project and I'm totally in favor of your project since Ken conducted an interview with you and I just agreed with 100% of your words and attitude.
But behavior control is for the moderators IMO and soon or later you'll need them if you want to keep the things so calm here. If take a look at Pier Solar's and Star Odyssey's official thread you'll see what I'm talking about...

And, personally, I don't care if your game possibly disrespects some called "standards" established by other RPG games. I don't mind about the view being near or far, 'cause I think everything depends on what you guys have in mind. In other words, to be different or even weird is not necessarily bad IMO.
If you use the far view for something different it could be cool. You could take advantage of it and provide some "live" instantaneous fights without the need to switch for a classic battleplan scenario every single time. Sometimes, you could fight right there where you are, maybe a more action oriented fighting sometimes, like just when your are in the towns.
I mean, during a quest is expected to use magic, spells and everything else in a classic battleplan, specially made for that. But maybe I could be just in my hometown and come across some assholes that I would have/like to crush or spank in a more simplified battle system.
A far view of the map open up a possibility for such thing...
Or maybe I'm just saying crazy bullshit, but I'd love to play something like that one day.

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Originally Posted by agostinhobaroners

Sorry, but PM fighting is no common here at all.
My bad if I scared you of posting something.
I was encouraging you from the very first post here, if you read.

Clessy just had trashed some other nice (not so nice like your, maybe) initiatives and that led to my rage against him. I want to see this project completed and very well done. I'll be buying a copy as son as get it released, you have my word.

Sorry if I came across your intentions.

I think that some heat is very common across this board. I'll personally not deal roughly with anybody else in this thread, no matter what, 'cause you have been very clear about this somehow going against the project and I'm totally in favor of your project since Ken conducted an interview with you and I just agreed with 100% of your words and attitude.
But behavior control is for the moderators IMO and soon or later you'll need them if you want to keep the things so calm here. If take a look at Pier Solar's and Star Odyssey's official thread you'll see what I'm talking about...

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Oh, I'm not upset by it, but I don't want this thread getting turned into a flame war :) If it does get turned into one, we'll just keep all updates on our site with no place to comment :P Like I said, we love the feedback (both good and bad), it means we're doing our job lol. Clessy did have a good point about the resolution, and after some tests, it does look better in 32 cell mode (256x224).

Sik, we're not entirely happy with the buildings right now, and we're in the process of ironing out all of the details with them. While we both like the newer styles better than the older ones, we feel there is something that just makes it not feel quite right. Reducing the screen res helped a little bit, but again, we're going for what we're happy with and not what everyone else wants, and I don't mean that to come out sounding like "Oh, who cares about what the people want", because it's far from that. Every suggestion we hear we take into serious consideration, even if they're out of this world/unrealistic, but if something feels off to us with anything, we'll be sure to work out every little detail to make sure that it feels right to us.

@Clessy - don't forget Shining Force 1 & 2 - they show a lot as well :)

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Originally Posted by dra600n

Oh, I'm not upset by it, but I don't want this thread getting turned into a flame war :) If it does get turned into one, we'll just keep all updates on our site with no place to comment :P Like I said, we love the feedback (both good and bad), it means we're doing our job lol. Clessy did have a good point about the resolution, and after some tests, it does look better in 32 cell mode (256x224).

Sik, we're not entirely happy with the buildings right now, and we're in the process of ironing out all of the details with them. While we both like the newer styles better than the older ones, we feel there is something that just makes it not feel quite right. Reducing the screen res helped a little bit, but again, we're going for what we're happy with and not what everyone else wants, and I don't mean that to come out sounding like "Oh, who cares about what the people want", because it's far from that. Every suggestion we hear we take into serious consideration, even if they're out of this world/unrealistic, but if something feels off to us with anything, we'll be sure to work out every little detail to make sure that it feels right to us.

@Clessy - don't forget Shining Force 1 & 2 - they show a lot as well :)

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lol Shining Force is cheating and you know it :P Now if you wanna make srpg I will in no way try to stop you. Think more Langrisser than Shinning Force if you do though.

Btw come november i'll be in the armed services. I wont have any way to get this game. Can we work out some sort of deal or special reserve. I mean I reserved PS and waited 3 years so I dont really care about waiting I just dont wanna miss any chance what so ever to own the game. Btw it would be nice to see a screenie in the new render mode.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

lol Shining Force is cheating and you know it :P Now if you wanna make srpg I will in no way try to stop you. Think more Langrisser than Shinning Force if you do though.

Btw come november i'll be in the armed services. I wont have any way to get this game. Can we work out some sort of deal or special reserve. I mean I reserved PS and waited 3 years so I dont really care about waiting I just dont wanna miss any chance what so ever to own the game. Btw it would be nice to see a screenie in the new render mode.

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You will get that before November ;) lol

It may be a bit early for this kind of question, but I'm quite curious about this. Habe you given thought about the battle mode? Can you tell us how you plan it to be. To be honest, I'm really fond of Grandia's battle system and I'd find very nice if you could some inspiration (not copying please, there). Just a suggestion for a place to look :)

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Originally Posted by netpredakonn

It may be a bit early for this kind of question, but I'm quite curious about this. Habe you given thought about the battle mode? Can you tell us how you plan it to be. To be honest, I'm really fond of Grandia's battle system and I'd find very nice if you could some inspiration (not copying please, there). Just a suggestion for a place to look :)

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You should read interview on the main site of sega16. They've defiantly put some heavy planning into the battle system already.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

You should read interview on the main site of sega16. They've defiantly put some heavy planning into the battle system already.

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Thanks for the tip. I'm reading it right now. As for the battle system, you''re right they have already something planned and it's nice to know that don't plan on using a standard battle system.

About the view of the map: Yeah, it´s basically just that the SNES naurally has a more zoomed in view due to the 256 x 224 res. Pier Solar runs in 320 x 24, and because of the higher resolution eople tend to think that or sprites are especially small; which is not the case, they have the size of FF VI sprites afaik, but the higher resolution makes it look that way. Thinking back i might have been better if we used the 256 x 224 res on maps for the SNES-look, and 320 x 224 for battles.

Beside that... yes, it is the size of the buildings in the video tat is a "problem" (actually not a problem, but more matter of style). The houses are very small on that map. Some RPGs handle it that way, having buildings on the town map tiny, but big when you go inside. Other RPGs go the way of being 1:1 outside and inside.

I THINK, for my personal taste, that it looks better to have the buildings bigger on the outside. It lets you play more with the tiles, making it possible to give each building a bit of a unique look. So my recommendation would be bigger buildings, but that´s really a matter of taste.

One tp about the sprites f I may: At the moment the sprite has the same hight in all his walking frames. To make it look more like real walking, have him in the original size in the standing frame, and one pixel smaller in both left foot/right foot walking frames. Whenyou cycle through it then left foot/stand/right foot/stand/left foot etc it will look more natural. The point where you should take a way a pixel in hight should be somewhere on the line between upper and lower body.


I don´t want to look like a smart ass, just trying to help as I had to learn it too when I worked on PS. I am very excited about this project and looking forward to the final game. :)

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Originally Posted by 108 Stars

Thinking back i might have been better if we used the 256 x 224 res on maps for the SNES-look, and 320 x 224 for battles.

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That would be nice! Also, a clever use to the Genesis' multiresolution capabilities.

What an odd way to solve a problem. If a scene is too big for the actors, you don't decrease it, you make the actors bigger. That's how they did in Greece back in ancient times.

Using the NES resolution will just make things look more pixelated. And it will decrease the number of sprites available from 80 to 64.

Does it really decrease the sprites from 80 to 64? Also, it doesn't solve our problem any more or less than with using 320x224/240, but it gives us more of how we want it to look. Once we finish up how we want this town to look and are completely satisfied with it, it will be the the guidelines of how other towns and area's are made.

As for the battle engine - you'll be able to play it as a standard battle engine (if you feel the need to grind, or go as quickly as possible), but the things we're going to put in will definitely enhance it, plus one of the characters skills are solely based on what we're doing.

Going with the SNES resolution would be a mistake. For one it would suggest an endeavour to prove the G can do what the SNES could, which could at best succeed irrelevantly and belatedly, or at worse could fail stylistically, or at utter worst could fail technically (such as causing some weird missing border objects or related details that might be overlooked until played by however many fresh eyes you're able to sell it to). Besides, it doesn't look good: it detracts from the enjoyment of cityscapes and cheaply toughens adventure by shrinking the ambit of view. And from a purely aesthetic vantage it's ugly. PSII and IV as Sik pointed out aren't the only visually successful games to use a wider resolution, there's all the NES. I don't know the Duo as well as everyone should, but it doesn't seem to employ that closeup often either. Actually Chrono Trigger's not so zoomed in as most SNES/FC RPGs, which may help explain its graphical popularity. Perhaps if you wish to maintain the SNES ratio in town scaling could be added here and there to give some breadth. At any rate to my mind the typical SNES RPG magnifying glass is cramped.

The genesis was never popular for rpg and following in the footsteps of any genesis rpg is following in the footsteps of lesser games.

Bring on the hate but, its the truth and most people think of the snes as one of the best rpg systems because it does so much more right than the genesis ever could imagine as far as rpgs are concerned.

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Originally Posted by dra600n

Does it really decrease the sprites from 80 to 64?

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Yes, all the sprites limits are lowered.

H40 (320 pixels wide):

• 80 sprites on screen
• 20 sprites per line
• 320 pixels per line

H32 (256 pixels wide):

• 64 sprites on screen
• 16 sprites per line
• 256 pixels per line

As you can see, the sprite limits are directly tied to the horizontal resolution (they're x/4, x/16 and x, respectively).

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Originally Posted by Clessy

Bring on the hate but, its the truth and most people think of the snes as one of the best rpg systems because it does so much more right than the genesis ever could imagine as far as rpgs are concerned.

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It's also true that almost all the RPGs praised on the SNES were made by Square (or had Square involvement). The only one that comes to my mind so far where Square wasn't involved is Earthbound.

The SNES was better for RPGs because it had a larger quantity of quality titles. It wasn't like they new some secret to making great rpgs. So your "it does so much more right than the genesis ever could imagine as far as rpgs are concerned" statement is really an odd one.

Just look at Lunar 1 & 2 and Phantasy Star 4. They're easily as good as anything on the SNES.

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Originally Posted by Sik

Yes, all the sprites limits are lowered.

H40 (320 pixels wide):

• 80 sprites on screen
• 20 sprites per line
• 320 pixels per line

H32 (256 pixels wide):

• 64 sprites on screen
• 16 sprites per line
• 256 pixels per line

As you can see, the sprite limits are directly tied to the horizontal resolution (they're x/4, x/16 and x, respectively).

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It's also true that almost all the RPGs praised on the SNES were made by Square (or had Square involvement). The only one that comes to my mind so far where Square wasn't involved is Earthbound.

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What about Enix rpgs.
Dragon Quest 1 2 3 5 6
Mystic Ark
Star Ocean
Tales of Phantasia ( technically a namco series but at the time a enix )

Also have the Lufia games 1 and 2.

They're plenty of good rpgs. Squares are just the absolute best so they shine brighter.

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

The SNES was better for RPGs because it had a larger quantity of quality titles. It wasn't like they new some secret to making great rpgs. So your "it does so much more right than the genesis ever could imagine as far as rpgs are concerned" statement is really an odd one.

Just look at Lunar 1 & 2 and Phantasy Star 4. They're easily as good as anything on the SNES.

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I mean snes developers. There is nothing worth copying from people who where making rpgs for the Genesis. Btw GameArts is special and they used sega CD. The VA and the cut scenes are what really made Lunar. Both which where achieved thanks to the disk space on the cd.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

What about Enix rpgs.
Dragon Quest 1 2 3 5 6
Mystic Ark
Star Ocean
Tales of Phantasia ( technically a namco series but at the time a enix )

Also have the Lufia games 1 and 2.

They're plenty of good rpgs. Squares are just the absolute best so they shine brighter.

I mean snes developers. There is nothing worth copying from people who where making rpgs for the Genesis. Btw GameArts is special and they used sega CD. The VA and the cut scenes are what really made Lunar. Both which where achieved thanks to the disk space on the cd.

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The Dragon Quests after 2 are derivative serials after the same fashion as the Wizardry games; not worthless by any stretch, but hihgly repetitious. Tales of Phantasia is technically just a tech showcase, the combat's way too frequent and tedious (button tapping's fine for shooters, but not for RPGs); the story seems promising but not so much it's worth wading through all that combat for. The Lufias suck. Square's just had the absolute best marketing so they sold better.
Most Sega CD specialities can now be achieved on cartridge due to decrease of RAM cost; not everything, but then VA is a matter to be sparing with.
@ Airwalk Studios: if you do use VA for some reason get professional actors. If you don't understand why go play Baiten Katos, the VA is absolutely aphasiac. What the hell are these people thinking? Whom do they hire? Yardworkers? Head trauma victims? Seriously, just go bounce a quarter on Wiltshire Boulevard, you'll find a capable actor or somebody who represents one. It's disgraceful.

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The Dragon Quests after 2 are derivative serials after the same fashion as the Wizardry games; not worthless by any stretch, but hihgly repetitious. Tales of Phantasia is technically just a tech showcase, the combat's way too frequent and tedious (button tapping's fine for shooters, but not for RPGs); the story seems promising but not so much it's worth wading through all that combat for. The Lufias suck. Square's just had the absolute best marketing so they sold better.
Most Sega CD specialities can now be achieved on cartridge due to decrease of RAM cost; not everything, but then VA is a matter to be sparing with.
@ Airwalk Studios: if you do use VA for some reason get professional actors. If you don't understand why go play Baiten Katos, the VA is absolutely aphasiac. What the hell are these people thinking? Whom do they hire? Yardworkers? Head trauma victims? Seriously, just go bounce a quarter on Wiltshire Boulevard, you'll find a capable actor or somebody who represents one. It's disgraceful.

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You just insulted the Dragon Quest series and you called top a tech demo. Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me anymore. Obviously I don't agree about top at all or I wouldnt have the user name I have.

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Originally Posted by StarMist

Going with the SNES resolution would be a mistake. For one it would suggest an endeavour to prove the G can do what the SNES could, which could at best succeed irrelevantly and belatedly, or at worse could fail stylistically, or at utter worst could fail technically (such as causing some weird missing border objects or related details that might be overlooked until played by however many fresh eyes you're able to sell it to). Besides, it doesn't look good: it detracts from the enjoyment of cityscapes and cheaply toughens adventure by shrinking the ambit of view. And from a purely aesthetic vantage it's ugly. PSII and IV as Sik pointed out aren't the only visually successful games to use a wider resolution, there's all the NES. I don't know the Duo as well as everyone should, but it doesn't seem to employ that closeup often either. Actually Chrono Trigger's not so zoomed in as most SNES/FC RPGs, which may help explain its graphical popularity. Perhaps if you wish to maintain the SNES ratio in town scaling could be added here and there to give some breadth. At any rate to my mind the typical SNES RPG magnifying glass is cramped.

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I respectfully disagree. The player should feel like they are part of the world in that RPG. By providing a closer viewpoint, the player is much more immersed in the environment and can see the graphics much more clearly. Before the characters looked like ants by contrast to the map size, which is ok for some games but it is not the look we want to accomplish in this game. Also you cant say it is the SNES resolution because its not, it is a standard resolution option on the genesis, we arent forcing the hardware to do anything it wasn't meant to display.

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Originally Posted by Mr Gimmick

Also you cant say it is the SNES resolution because its not, it is a standard resolution option on the genesis, we arent forcing the hardware to do anything it wasn't meant to display.

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I never declared anything about what your game is because it's unfinished, all I referred to was the way you seemed to wish to go with it. Neither did I declare that resolution only on the SNES or suggest that's the only one the SNES has, I merely used it and its most famous games as examples. Why would I contradict a tech statement Sik had made just a few posts earlier?
And there's no need to "respectfully disagree" with me, you may be as pissed off as Clessy.

@ Clessy = My opinion never meant anything to anyone here to begin with. But unless collecting grudges is a hobby of yours you might stand to reconsider exactly how you treat every game every other member cares about in your every post. As you will.

All I can say is:

You make this game, I'll buy it.

@StarMist - I lol'd at the "you don't have to respectfully disagree" statement. That made my morning :)

@QuickSciFi - awesome :) But we also want to make sure that the time and effort we put into this game will give a great experience.

I haven't played Lufia 1, but I did enjoy Lufia 2 a lot. Also, don't forget Tecmo's Secret of the Stars. That's an pretty bad ass RPG as well. Chrono Trigger used 256x224 (or whatever the SNES equivalent is), same with Secret of Mana and Secret of Evermore. The world map in Chrono Trigger uses a higher resolution (512 maybe?), but they did cut the vertical resolution a little bit, hence the black border showing on the bottom.

I also can't believe nobody mentioned Breath of Fire (Capcom), even though Square did have some involvement (I think publishing?).

As for voice acting - not gonna happen. If we were to move onto the Sega CD, or copy WM with the use of the sega cd (which we aren't, since that was a brilliant idea and I'd love for it to be exclusive to them), it would be something else. On top of that, good voice actors are insanely hard to come by in my area (I did a project about 2 years ago with an animated series, and the people that I found in my area were god awful).

And no, it's not the same resolution as the SNES. The SNES has more vertical lines in their similar resolution than the Genesis does. Also, it isn't proper to say "SNES's resolution" since the SNES came out after the Genesis :)

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Here is an example of the lower resolution. As much as I'd hate to show something in the middle of redesign since we're working on palettes, new/updated tiles, etc., I think it would help this conversation a little better to see the differences between 320x224 and 256x224 resolution. Personally, I think it looks a lot better with a lower resolution. Maybe it's because I'm more familiar with this in the RPG's I love (the Final Fantasy series, Secret of Mana, Illusions of Gaia, Soul Blazer, etc), and it makes me feel like this will help the game be more enjoyable. Just my opinion, so feel free to disagree lol.

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Here is an example of the lower resolution. As much as I'd hate to show something in the middle of redesign since we're working on palettes, new/updated tiles, etc., I think it would help this conversation a little better to see the differences between 320x224 and 256x224 resolution. Personally, I think it looks a lot better with a lower resolution. Maybe it's because I'm more familiar with this in the RPG's I love (the Final Fantasy series, Secret of Mana, Illusions of Gaia, Soul Blazer, etc), and it makes me feel like this will help the game be more enjoyable. Just my opinion, so feel free to disagree lol.

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It looks much better using a lower resolution. That's a nice step for this game :)

Do you already have an idea how big, in megabytes, this game is going to be?

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@StarMist - I lol'd at the "you don't have to respectfully disagree" statement. That made my morning :)

@QuickSciFi - awesome :) But we also want to make sure that the time and effort we put into this game will give a great experience.

I haven't played Lufia 1, but I did enjoy Lufia 2 a lot. Also, don't forget Tecmo's Secret of the Stars. That's an pretty bad ass RPG as well. Chrono Trigger used 256x224 (or whatever the SNES equivalent is), same with Secret of Mana and Secret of Evermore. The world map in Chrono Trigger uses a higher resolution (512 maybe?), but they did cut the vertical resolution a little bit, hence the black border showing on the bottom.

I also can't believe nobody mentioned Breath of Fire (Capcom), even though Square did have some involvement (I think publishing?).

As for voice acting - not gonna happen. If we were to move onto the Sega CD, or copy WM with the use of the sega cd (which we aren't, since that was a brilliant idea and I'd love for it to be exclusive to them), it would be something else. On top of that, good voice actors are insanely hard to come by in my area (I did a project about 2 years ago with an animated series, and the people that I found in my area were god awful).

And no, it's not the same resolution as the SNES. The SNES has more vertical lines in their similar resolution than the Genesis does. Also, it isn't proper to say "SNES's resolution" since the SNES came out after the Genesis :)

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Here is an example of the lower resolution. As much as I'd hate to show something in the middle of redesign since we're working on palettes, new/updated tiles, etc., I think it would help this conversation a little better to see the differences between 320x224 and 256x224 resolution. Personally, I think it looks a lot better with a lower resolution. Maybe it's because I'm more familiar with this in the RPG's I love (the Final Fantasy series, Secret of Mana, Illusions of Gaia, Soul Blazer, etc), and it makes me feel like this will help the game be more enjoyable. Just my opinion, so feel free to disagree lol.

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Yeah the fixed the view distance perfectly.

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All I can say is:

You make this game, I'll buy it.

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Originally Posted by 108 Stars

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Used to be a Rudy spritesheet

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I have a question, Kaiser. What exactly is Rudy wearing anyway? Whenever I play Pier Solar, it looks like he's wearing a stereotypical fishing getup. You know, with the full body rubber waders, the bucket hat with fishing tackles in it and that kind of stuff. Even his boots look like the rubber variety.

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All I can say is:

You make this game, I'll buy it.

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Obviously: you're striving for a complete US Genny collection.

@ Airwalk = What I'll say is: You make an excellent game, I'll buy it. You make something like Elfaria, I'll laugh at all the buyers. You make something mediocre, I'll buy another copy of Rubbish Blazon instead. You make something good, I'll just replay something excellent I already own and it'll still be better than good. Make something excellent.

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I have a question, Kaiser. What exactly is Rudy wearing anyway? Whenever I play Pier Solar, it looks like he's wearing a stereotypical fishing getup. You know, with the full body rubber waders, the bucket hat with fishing tackles in it and that kind of stuff. Even his boots look like the rubber variety.

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Well, this is off-topic, but he is wearing working trousers like these... don´t know what they are called, does it qualify as overall or do those require the entire upper body to be covered?.

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/5...osegrue.th.jpg

He has the upper body part hanging down loosely. He´s also wearing a white shirt, a brown leather jacket and sturdy boots. The idea was that since he was working as archeologist at one point and was now working at a farm he should wear clothes for someone doing dirty work.

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Obviously: you're striving for a complete US Genny collection.

@ Airwalk = What I'll say is: You make an excellent game, I'll buy it. You make something like Elfaria, I'll laugh at all the buyers. You make something mediocre, I'll buy another copy of Rubbish Blazon instead. You make something good, I'll just replay something excellent I already own and it'll still be better than good. Make something excellent.

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Mediocre is not in my vocabulary. I am a perfectionist and if I am going to put all the time and effort into something I will accept nothing less than the best. I'm sure dra600n feels the same way.

We are not doing this just to release another average RPG, there are plenty of those out there already. Our goal here is to create something original and bring something new to the table. We may not create the perfect RPG but we will certainly strive for it.

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Mediocre is not in my vocabulary. I am a perfectionist and if I am going to put all the time and effort into something I will accept nothing less than the best. I'm sure dra600n feels the same way.

We are not doing this just to release another average RPG, there are plenty of those out there already. Our goal here is to create something original and bring something new to the table. We may not create the perfect RPG but we will certainly strive for it.

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I want to make the most excellent game we can - story wise, graphics wise, mechanics wise, etc. We have some cool things in the works, and we'll see how well it plays out. "Good Enough" is never said unless it's just a place holder for something until we come back around to polish something off, then it will need to be stamped with "perfect". We won't be pushing out some half assed RPG, or anything with the quality/standards of Lagoon *cough*.

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Originally Posted by dra600n

Chrono Trigger used 256x224 (or whatever the SNES equivalent is)

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256×240, but it removes a good chunk of the display at the bottom, so in practice I doubt it was larger than 256×224 (off-centered, even).

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The world map in Chrono Trigger uses a higher resolution (512 maybe?)

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No, it never uses the hi-res modes (which are all faked anyways, 512-wide mode uses the blending hardware to mix two consecutive pixels into one, while 480-high modes use interlacing).

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Originally Posted by dra600n

Also, it isn't proper to say "SNES's resolution" since the SNES came out after the Genesis :)

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And technically the SNES is using the same resolution as the NES, so I guess it would be fair to say NES resolution =P

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Originally Posted by Mr Gimmick

Mediocre is not in my vocabulary. I am a perfectionist and if I am going to put all the time and effort into something I will accept nothing less than the best. I'm sure dra600n feels the same way.

We are not doing this just to release another average RPG, there are plenty of those out there already. Our goal here is to create something original and bring something new to the table. We may not create the perfect RPG but we will certainly strive for it.

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Originally Posted by dra600n

I want to make the most excellent game we can - story wise, graphics wise, mechanics wise, etc. We have some cool things in the works, and we'll see how well it plays out. "Good Enough" is never said unless it's just a place holder for something until we come back around to polish something off, then it will need to be stamped with "perfect". We won't be pushing out some half assed RPG, or anything with the quality/standards of Lagoon *cough*.

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These guys want to kick some ass!
Very positive stuff to read.

Yes, it's wonderful to read such enthusiasm. They can go a long ways with this project if they just keep up this kind of confidence.

Thing is though, I hope they realize they'll be in it for the long haul. Even with some more people working on the project, it sounds like Affinity:Sorrow is several years away. If the core team remains just Gimmick and Dra600n, then it will take even longer. I don't mind waiting, but I hope they don't either.

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Originally Posted by 108 Stars

Well, this is off-topic, but he is wearing working trousers like these... don´t know what they are called, does it qualify as overall or do those require the entire upper body to be covered?.

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/5...osegrue.th.jpg

He has the upper body part hanging down loosely. He´s also wearing a white shirt, a brown leather jacket and sturdy boots. The idea was that since he was working as archeologist at one point and was now working at a farm he should wear clothes for someone doing dirty work.

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Hmm, his outfit has a startling resemblance to what usual fishermen wear. Maybe it's just me, but his sprites look completely like that. I don't think "archeologist" when I see him. :)

108 doesnt wanna let you know the Gordans fisherman was his inspiration.

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Originally Posted by Guntz

Thing is though, I hope they realize they'll be in it for the long haul. Even with some more people working on the project, it sounds like Affinity:Sorrow is several years away. If the core team remains just Gimmick and Dra600n, then it will take even longer. I don't mind waiting, but I hope they don't either.

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We're further along that we let on ;)

The proof is in the pics... Show them. :p

Heh heh, I'll take your word on your progress...

It's been a while since an actual update has come about, but a lot has been going on. With the original graphics artist leaving the team and searching for a new one, Armen has been graciously been doing some concept art and will also take the reins of doing in game cut scenes and full screen cut scenes.

While the search comes to an end with the graphics, we present you Armen's concept art he's done so far. Hope everyone enjoys! :)

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