U.S. has more oil than the rest of the world combined

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5424033
A discovery in Colorado has more oil itself than the entire middle east combined. That's great to know. It has enough to sustain America for over 2000 years and it would only cost us $15 a barrel to extract it. Too bad we won't use it and let our economy collapse and continue our religious wars. The end.

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Originally Posted by Sega Genesis

http://www.rense.com/general70/doro.htm
A discovery in Colorado has more oil itself than the entire middle east combined. That's great to know. It has enough to sustain America for over 2000 years and it would only cost us $15 a barrel to extract it. Too bad we won't use it and let our economy collapse and continue our religious wars. The end.

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My head almost blew looking at that page. It must have the world record on most adds on a single page ever. (rense.com, not the article page which is clean).

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I see no sources in that article, this looks like something to get people to send a lot of misinformed emails. US oil has always been lower production per pump than in the Middle East and their oil is "sweeter", whatever that means.

If we are sitting on a massive reserve that could drop gas prices overnight, pick up yer guns.

This site certainly looks credible.

Sweeter means it has less sulfur.

I can't remember but not all oils are suitable for petroleum (or are to refine for), but are suitable for things like plastic etc. That is why they have the "sweeter oil" comment.

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Originally Posted by sheath

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I see no sources in that article, this looks like something to get people to send a lot of misinformed emails. US oil has always been lower production per pump than in the Middle East and their oil is "sweeter", whatever that means.

If we are sitting on a massive reserve that could drop gas prices overnight, pick up yer guns.

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The colorado oil is "sweeter" thank the middle east oil.

For the majority that just want to question the site more than the information, I changed it to an NPR article. It took 2 seconds for me to google it to find it. It seems the excuse for not tapping it is the environmentalists won't let it be tapped. Maybe the environmentalists should pick up a gun and go to the middle east since they are sending thousands of soldiers to their deaths and pay welfare/healthcare to the increasing poverty stricken americans as they are causing the u.s. economically to collapse.

Sulfur, yes, I think I've heard my career oil man Father-in-Law from Colorado mention that while I was trying to drink the time away. He is the only reason I know anything about this topic. I do remember that the first big oil boom was actually in Eastern Europe and a bunch of Texans came in and trashed the place for about 50 years, oh and people died.

Less dead dino juice, more hoverboards.

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Originally Posted by Sega Genesis

The colorado oil is "sweeter" thank the middle east oil.

For the majority that just want to question the site more than the information, I changed it to an NPR article. It took 2 seconds for me to google it to find it. It seems the excuse for not tapping it is the environmentalists won't let it be tapped. Maybe the environmentalists should pick up a gun and go to the middle east since they are sending thousands of soldiers to their deaths and pay welfare/healthcare to the increasing poverty stricken americans as they are causing the u.s. economically to collapse.

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How would that do anything to lower the economic gaps?

Hmm...lower gas prices by half, sell oil to the rest of world, give people jobs, cause zero agendas involving the middle east to be oil-drivin. Confidence in america would go up increasing the value of the dollar. People would spend more and travel.

If our economy keeps getting worse no one will be able to afford to own a car anyways. :)

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Originally Posted by Rusty Venture

Less dead dino juice, more hoverboards.

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There have been many studies done that are pointing to the earth creating oil. The problem is it can still run out faster than the earth can produce it if we use too much.

Is there any possibility that the Master Emerald could help?

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Originally Posted by Sega Genesis

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5424033
A discovery in Colorado has more oil itself than the entire middle east combined. That's great to know. It has enough to sustain America for over 2000 years and it would only cost us $15 a barrel to extract it. Too bad we won't use it and let our economy collapse and continue our religious wars. The end.

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This is old news... literally! Look at the date... 2006, and the news wasn't new then. What's changed is that instead of strip mining the area for $20 a barrel, there's a "new" procedure that "boils" the oil out of the shale without any mining at all, and minimal disturbance to the environment. The new process is about $50 a barrel.

The US isn't pushing this because we probably want to run the rest of the world out of existing reserves, giving us the upper hand in the post peek oil world. The same kind of hand Saudi Arabia enjoys right now.

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Originally Posted by Sega Genesis

There have been many studies done that are pointing to the earth creating oil. The problem is it can still run out faster than the earth can produce it if we use too much.

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I was under the impression that dead organic matter (dinosaurs and such) being turned into oil *WAS* the Earth making oil.

But if you mean it makes it in some other manner, that's cool, I still want my hoverboards.



Smith 2012.

It surprises me that the US is in such a bad state. I know at the moment a LOT of Aussies are spending a lot and importing bit's and pieces from there (Australia is an expensive place to live). I bought a Hakko 808 de-soldering gun recently, purchasing from the US with extra bit's and pieces (holder with tip cleaner, extra tips, spare filters etc) including a step up transformer for $340AU. To buy it in my own flamin' country was $550 just for the gun!

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It surprises me that the US is in such a bad state. I know at the moment a LOT of Aussies are spending a lot and importing bit's and pieces from there (Australia is an expensive place to live). I bought a Hakko 808 de-soldering gun recently, purchasing from the US with extra bit's and pieces (holder with tip cleaner, extra tips, spare filters etc) including a step up transformer for $340AU. To buy it in my own flamin' country was $550 just for the gun!

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I sell on eBay to Aussies all the time. I must say great folks. I never have any trouble.

Oil is essentially a heavy mass of hydrocarbons, but very contaminated in raw form. If anyone out there is suggesting another source for these hydrocarbons other than the backbone of life (organic matter) itself, then I'd like to hear it in great detail.

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There have been many studies done that are pointing to the earth creating oil. The problem is it can still run out faster than the earth can produce it if we use too much.

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I was under the impression that dead organic matter (dinosaurs and such) being turned into oil *WAS* the Earth making oil.

But if you mean it makes it in some other manner, that's cool, I still want my hoverboards.

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This is the biotic vs abiotic argument... google for details. At the moment, mainstream science ridicules the abiotic argument, religiously adhering to the biotic theory. Scientists in many mainstream fields are more religious than scientific. Particle physicists and cosmologists are among the worst of the lot. Not one can even listen to an alternative theory without resorting to insults and dogma.

I just want a gas powered rocket so I can fly away to another planet where I can ride motorcycles and shoot machine guns.

Soon all that oil will be mine!

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I just want a gas powered rocket so I can fly away to another planet where I can ride motorcycles and shoot machine guns.

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Just don't forget to blow up the Earth! ;) :D

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Just don't forget to blow up the Earth! ;) :D

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But only as your high school science project.

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Originally Posted by sheath

Is there any possibility that the Master Emerald could help?

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Maybe. Perhaps we can ALL go Hyper. :ok:
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Maybe. Perhaps we can ALL go Hyper. :ok:
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Surely he has a friend that pukes petrol every time it opens its mouth in a cutscene.

He does, he lives in Oil Ocean Zone. :)


Sega just hasn't discovered him..........yet. Thank God. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

The US isn't pushing this because we probably want to run the rest of the world out of existing reserves, giving us the upper hand in the post peek oil world. The same kind of hand Saudi Arabia enjoys right now.

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This right here is the most likely reason. It's hard to believe politicians could actually think that far ahead, but I think it's also the best reason in the goddamn world. I'd rather pay a more now and know that we have the ability to pull it out of the ground when we need; instead of using all of our reserves now and then be screwed when OPEC want's $500 a barrel.

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This right here is the most likely reason. It's hard to believe politicians could actually think that far ahead, but I think it's also the best reason in the goddamn world. I'd rather pay a more now and know that we have the ability to pull it out of the ground when we need; instead of using all of our reserves now and then be screwed when OPEC want's $500 a barrel.

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This is the most logical reason for this. After all...

Fun Fact: The US holds 1/4 of all the world's coal in reserves.

There's no doubt the US will buy everyone else's oil, then when it runs dry come out with the ace in the hole and get rich very, very fast.

It is better to sucking the oil from the middle east first, and after that US can used its reserve. Remember on 2025 US will send a man to the Mars and colonized it on 2030.

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Originally Posted by Sega Genesis

There have been many studies done that are pointing to the earth creating oil. The problem is it can still run out faster than the earth can produce it if we use too much.

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Yes, the Earth is strictly speaking creating oil. But, seeing as all the oil that exists today was formed through millions of years of heat and pressure acting upon dead pre-historic plant and animal matter, it's going to be a loooooong time before you're juicing up your car with it.

If you've got a sixpack in your fridge and you've already drank three, but your buddies just arrived and they want some too, it's no use saying 'I'll just walk to the shops and buy some more', by the time you get back everyone's fighting over who gets to lick the insides of the last tin.

[edit] and I'll bet also that it's not some massive global conspiracy to keep OPEC happy, it's just that their major customers in the West don't like shitting in their own back gardens. We know how renowned the oil producers are for their humanitarian and environmental records, after all - it's out of sight and out of mind and more importantly it's 'over there'.

GUBBERMENTS!!!

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Yes, the Earth is strictly speaking creating oil. But, seeing as all the oil that exists today was formed through millions of years of heat and pressure acting upon dead pre-historic plant and animal matter, it's going to be a loooooong time before you're juicing up your car with it.

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Personally, I think it's more likely silane than dinosaurs. Hydrogen is the most common element in the known universe, so why shouldn't it be common in the Earth as well? Couple that with silicon being extremely common in the Earth and you got silane (SiH4). As the silane (a gas) slowly seeps upward it encounters a source of carbon (most commonly carbon dioxide CO2). This then results in SiH4 + CO2 -> CH4 + SiO2... in other words, silane combines with carbon dioxide to form methane and silicon dioxide. This is exothermic and requires no catalysts. The methane is then polymerized by heat and pressure to form the oil we pump from the ground. It also doesn't take millions of years. There's a reason that methane is found in such abundance in oil fields. ;)

Eees a witch I tell yah!

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Personally, I think it's more likely silane than dinosaurs. Hydrogen is the most common element in the known universe, so why shouldn't it be common in the Earth as well? Couple that with silicon being extremely common in the Earth and you got silane (SiH4). As the silane (a gas) slowly seeps upward it encounters a source of carbon (most commonly carbon dioxide CO2). This then results in SiH4 + CO2 -> CH4 + SiO2... in other words, silane combines with carbon dioxide to form methane and silicon dioxide. This is exothermic and requires no catalysts. The methane is then polymerized by heat and pressure to form the oil we pump from the ground. It also doesn't take millions of years. There's a reason that methane is found in such abundance in oil fields. ;)

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I'm not interested in debating with someone who characterises differing theories as 'religious dogma' :roll:; however, it's worth noting that helium isn't in fact very commonly found naturally on Earth - according to the good people at Wolfram Alpha, 73rd most common element in the Earth's crust is as good as it gets. Wikipedia pegs this as eight parts per billion, and Wolfram puts this at 0.0055 grams per metric ton if you want a different measurement unit.

Joking aside, I don't think it can be overstated just how much academics love to murder each others' careers and reputations. I personally cannot stand reading an article that is obviously bent on making a career, especially while ruining somebody else's.

The oil companies are making a killing right now. As the price of oil has shot up, their profit margin has remained stable, putting their profit (in absolute terms) at record highs. There's nothing in it for them to increase production and lower the price. That's why they're mum on both this and offshore drilling. Remember the big debate a couple years ago about whether we should expand offshore drilling? I sure don't remember any oil company executives chiming in.

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I'm not interested in debating with someone who characterises differing theories as 'religious dogma' :roll:;

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Most mainstream scientists act much more like priests than scientists. Anyone attempting to propose an alternate theory is treated as a heretic and ridiculed while they plug their ears and hum very loud. They too aren't interested in debating actual science. ;)

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however, it's worth noting that helium isn't in fact very commonly found naturally on Earth - according to the good people at Wolfram Alpha, 73rd most common element in the Earth's crust is as good as it gets. Wikipedia pegs this as eight parts per billion, and Wolfram puts this at 0.0055 grams per metric ton if you want a different measurement unit.

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And what the hell does helium have to do with anything? My post says HYDROGEN, which is the most common element in the universe, and extremely common on the earth as well. :p :D

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Joking aside, I don't think it can be overstated just how much academics love to murder each others' careers and reputations. I personally cannot stand reading an article that is obviously bent on making a career, especially while ruining somebody else's.

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This made me nuts while in college. It was like every other paper written was just for explaining how wrong the last guy was. It was really tiring. I felt like I didn't learn anything other than no one really knows what the hell is going on.