I will never forget I ordered this game when I was 11 or 12 maybe younger, and they eff up my order and sent me the GENESIS version
This was pre ebay. I shoulda sent it back and got the Sega CD version, how is it?
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I will never forget I ordered this game when I was 11 or 12 maybe younger, and they eff up my order and sent me the GENESIS version
This was pre ebay. I shoulda sent it back and got the Sega CD version, how is it?
It was a nice effort for it's time considering that they could've just directly ported the cartridge version(NFL 94) with enhanced music and sound. The 3D graphics were a nice try, and the game play's slightly better than Sportstalk Football, or Sportstalk Football 93(better collision detection, easier passing system) but it suffers from terrible color, bad music and sound, as well as game play that is a little on the slow and choppy side.
Loving the dancing JCVD gif's btw. Cracks me up everytime.
Joe Montana NFL is really interesting, it's got some impressive use of the graphics/coprocessing hardware in the MCD (scaled sprites, warped textured "mode 7" style playfield/ground and warped texture mapped 3D-ish -possibly polygons, not sure- grandstands/stadium sides) and was done by Colckwork Tortoise (same people Sega commissioned to do Batman Returns CD, Batman and Robin on MD and CD, and I think one or 2 others).
However, I've seen a lot of complains on the gameplay end from sports games fans, I forget most of the specifics on those complains though (I think general complains about the controls, especially passing), but they tend to include much more positive comparisons of the Sega CD Madden games. (which are more bare bones adaptations of what the Genesis offered -sound is a bit better, but that's about it iirc)
Anyway, here's a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIO-sSpU1lQ
It's definitely cool looking if nothing else. ;)
reminds me of a 16 bit version of the first two NFL gameday games, before they went downhill
http://www.game-rave.com/psx/playsta..._gameday/1.jpg
http://www.game-rave.com/psx/playsta..._gameday/3.jpg
The game SUCKS. Period. But, it's not for lack of effort. I wrote a review of the game, I'll post a link when the site comes back up.
It tries to do too much for what limitations the hardware had. I don't think there's much fun to be had there.
It looks liek it has potential but look at Sega's Saturn Football game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln_FzHgsy_4
It doesn't try to push the hardware too much . . . the only trade-off there is with framerate issues, and that's not too bad at all for the effects being done. (it doesn't seem worse than F-1 Beyond the Limit, and that's quite playable . . . BC Racers is pretty choppy too for that matter, and Battlecorps at times -well choppy as in 12-15 FPS vs mostly 60 FPS stuff for conventional scrolling/sprite movement/line scroll effects, etc . . . not so choppy compared to things like Road Rash ;))Quote:
Originally Posted by The Sports Guy
The bigger issues seem to be messed up gameplay mechanics. (passing, running, oddly timed announcer commentary, etc)
The passing system is the big issue with the game (it's broken) the commentary is due to issues with the CD Rom and not enough memory/the Mega CD not being able to stream on the Fly quick enough to match the on screen action , so the Team had to load the data in ,after each play . It's a shame if they got the passing game right , this would have been brilliant. There's a lot of game in here and a lot of extra's and I do love the quite brutal sound effectsQuote:
The bigger issues seem to be messed up gameplay mechanics. (passing, running, oddly timed announcer commentary, etc
It really is trying to push the Hardware and it was in many ways ahead of its time. The 1st game to have a 3D-ish stadium in full view, Ball camera views ECT...Quote:
It doesn't try to push the hardware too much .
Whoever thought up that retarded passing meter deserved a smack in the face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da_Shocker
NFL 97 should have been nothing short of epic. Sega should have invested the same time and effort into NFL 97 that it did for the first party NFL games on the Genesis, maybe then the Saturn would have lived longer than 3 years. Instead they subbed developement out to Gametek, before abandoning the series altogether until the Dreamcast. What were they thinking?
Sega giving up on American Football games is a big contributor to the demise of the Saturn in the US. Sega of Japan seriously underestimated American's love of the sport.
SEGA always subbed out development of it's Sports games , and I really Joe sold the Mega Drive or the Mega CD to the world, That was more John Madden and Sonic.Quote:
Instead they subbed developement out to Gametek, before abandoning the series altogether until the Dreamcast. What were they thinking?
Sorry you can't blame SOJ for that one, That was all SEGA America making. SOJ need a good kicking for not seeing how much of a Big Deal Sonic was , but it was up to SEGA America to make sure it Had Sports games ready to go for the Saturn and 32X.Quote:
Sega of Japan seriously underestimated American's love of the sport
You also overplay the NFL fact, when Madden was a totally brilliant game on the Saturn (most prob why the Saturn game was canned) , the Saturn also had the best Baseball , Hockey games on any 32 bit system and a pretty good NBA , when compared the the N64 the Saturn was the better console for sports Yet NCL not having any sports games ready at launch, never held back the system same went for the NES and Snes and even the though the Turbo Duo had the 1st CD version of John Madden on CD, never really helped it in the USA
And please don't try and make out SONY's NFL game sold the PS to America , I don't the game ever topped the USA charts or ever meat the like of Wipeout, Destruction Derby console to games sales ratio
Not having Sonic was a bigger deal imo and a stupid mistake by both SEGA America and Japan
Well it didn't help Sega's case that they had Madden and Gameday on the same system. IMO I thought Sega's football games were much better than what EA was giving us. Basketball and Football have always been the biggest selling sports genre's in the US. I find it off that SoA was so shitty with sports games on the Saturn in comparison to the Genesis. Anyways back to the topic I wish SoA would've kept at this game as they eventually would've perfected it and could've made a even better game on the Saturn.
And Kool Kitty there was NEVER a Madden game for the SCD
The Mega Drive wasn't bursting with Sports titles on it's USA or Uk launch and it must have been far easier making a MD sports game to that of a 32Bit sports games when polygons and TV style presentation became more the norm and what people expected.Quote:
Basketball and Football have always been the biggest selling sports genre's in the US. I find it off that SoA was so shitty with sports games on the Saturn in comparison to the Genesis.
I really don't think Gameday played a major part in the PS beating the Saturn early on.
Really I played Joe 2 and II and the Mega Cd's version with a mate (only played the other in 1 player mode) and they just never compared to John on the MD, even Bill Walsh Mega CD port was far better to play than Joe onthe Mega CDQuote:
IMO I thought Sega's football games were much better than what EA was giving us
Sadly along with the Desert series Trilogy they were announced, but sadly canned.Quote:
And Kool Kitty there was NEVER a Madden game for the SCD
If EA did a port like they did for the Mega CD version of FIFA (where they really used some of the system features) , John Madden would have been very special on the Mega CD , was gutted it was canned
Madden just didnt do it for me compared to NFL 94. Look at those graphics and that speed plus the announcer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vkYPxWWvtg
True, they did sub them all out, but damn...Gametek? Seriously dude? :wtf:?Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
Montana alone did not sell the Genesis to America no, but the NFL/Montana games were very high tech, and unavailable on the SNES. That coupled with the higher quality ports of the Madden games over their SNES counterparts did sell the Genesis to America(along with Sonic of course). American gamers knew which console to go with if they wanted NFL football, and the Montana/NFL series played a huge part in that.
I'm not sure what the relationship was between SoA and SoJ, didn't most of the funds and decisionmakig come from SoJ? I remember reading about how the main man(I forget his name, Katz? or Kalinske?) at SoA begged and pleaded for funds(which he almost didn't get) to sign Joe Montana to an endorsement deal, he wasn't just free to make the decision on his own. Where was the big name endorsement for NFL 97? I don't really know who was responsible for neglecting the genre on the Saturn, but both of them would most likely still be involved in the console industry had they done things differently:rip:. NFL 97 doesn't even come close to Madden NFL 97, or NFL Gameday 97(or even 96 for that matter). Had Sega of Japan or America or whatever made sure that it's Saturn exclusive football game was of the best possible quality, and available at launch the Saturn would have done much better out of the gate.
You're underestimating the popularity of the NFL in America. NFL football is the most popular sport here by a wide, wide, wide margin. Baseball, Hockey, and Basketball don't even come close. Nintendo doesn't need sports games to sell it's consoles, they have Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, and Metroid to do that for them, also the Turbo Duo was dead in the water by the time Madden 93 was ported over(early 1993). For a console to compete against Nintendo, they need a few geat American football games, Sony and Microsoft obviously took note of that during the 16 bit console wars. They made damn sure they had high quality exclusive Football games available for the Playstation and Xbox at launch. I just wish Sega had done the same with NFL 97 for the Saturn.
No the Gameday series did not sell the Playstation to America, but Gameday 98 and 99 for sure outsold Wipeout and Destruction Derby in America. I wouldn't be surprised if those were among the highest selling games for the system here in the states, but I don't have any sources so I don't really know. I would go out on a limb and say that I'm pretty sure the Gameday series was a big part in gamers choosing the Playstation over the Saturn when it came time to buy a new gaming machine in 95/96/97.
NFL 94 would be better if it wasn't impossible to complete a pass or break a tackle. Seems like JMFCD improved upon that a bit(not much).Quote:
Originally Posted by Da_Shocker
There's more to the game than GFX and when it came to gameplay I don't think it got any better than Madden 92 and 93 for NFL on 16 bit.Quote:
Madden just didnt do it for me compared to NFL 94. Look at those graphics and that speed plus the announcer.
Yes Madden and Sonic sold the Mega Drive , I do know and have made those points, but lets not overplay Joe. Joe didn't sell the Mega Drive or the Mega CD like Madden did for the Mega Drive, and of course inthe end Joe or Madden didn't stop the Snes selling nearly as well (if not better ) in the USA.Quote:
but the NFL/Montana games were very high tech, and unavailable on the SNES. That coupled with the higher quality ports of the Madden games over their SNES counterparts did sell the Genesis to America(along with Sonic of course). American gamers knew which console to go with if they wanted NFL football, and the Montana/NFL series played a huge part in that.
The Snes, N64 all sold like hotcakes in the USA, that's with out little effort on Nintendo part to produce In-House Sports software
Please can we stop making stuff up (begging for money, Is laughable with the money SEGA threw around with endorsements in the 16 but era) . Funds always come for the main HQ (that is true of any multi corp, SONY, MS, NCL ECT) but as for the lack of endorsement deal with SEGA, well that can be for a couple of reasons , the money that people were asking for such deals (hence we why we saw less and less endorsement deals across the board inthe 32 bit era) and the fact that Montana also took SEGA to Court.Quote:
I'm not sure what the relationship was between SoA and SoJ, didn't most of the funds and decisionmakig come from SoJ? I remember reading about how the main man(I forget his name, Katz? or Kalinske?) at SoA begged and pleaded for funds(which he almost didn't get) to sign Joe Montana to an endorsement deal, he wasn't just free to make the decision on his own. Where was the big name endorsement for NFL 97? I don't really know who was responsible for neglecting the genre on the Saturn, but
Please stop this Nintendo doesn't need sport games because it's getting just a bit rich. If you had Madden then you didn't need much else,and please don't give me lectures on Madden, because it's the same deal with FIFA and Pro Evo over here Europe (factors which really hurt the DC and Saturn)Quote:
You're underestimating the popularity of the NFL in America. NFL football is the most popular sport here by a wide, wide, wide margin. Baseball, Hockey, and Basketball don't even come close. Nintendo doesn't need sports games to sell it's consoles, they have Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, and Metroid to do that for them, also the Turbo Duo was dead in the water by the time Madden 93 was ported over(early 1993).
Don't make out that Gameday sold the PS in the USA , because it's sales to consoels ratio's don't bare that out, and from what I remember Tekken did better in the charts than Gameday
And look what happened, the X-Box, Cube, PS2 all sold much better and I still believe that Sonic Adv is the best selling DC title in America ?. I not over look the impact NFL 2k had, but it takes more than NFL games to sell your console and please you going to tell me MS X-Box NFL game was high quality? I think it was pretty adverage to say the leastQuote:
They made damn sure they had high quality exclusive Football games available for the Playstation and Xbox at launch