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You pay for what you get, Phantasy star complete in nice condition with map and hint book ~$30 Ys Book 1+2 in same quality ~$30 both awesome games. For as many loose cheap deals on sega stuff there's just as many loose cheap hu cards on PCE/TurboQuote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
I love both consoles, they just sit on opposite sides of the cabinet :)
Oh good, now you're twisting my words by talking about game quality, not monetary value like what everyone else was talking about in this thread. Good job, very adult of you.Quote:
You pay for what you get, Phantasy star complete in nice condition with map and hint book ~$30 Ys Book 1+2 in same quality ~$30 both awesome games.
Not my most expensive, but off the top of my head, I've paid $60 for a Metal Slug 3 US MVS cart, $70 for a TG16 + extra crap (which I regret, trust me. That's money I'm never seeing again) and quite a few large lots of stuff. That's where most of my money goes actually, crap tons of stuff under one price.
And then you bury the stuff relevant to the discussion. Yes, fair enough, there are some cheapo TG16/PCE games available (not as cheap as Sega games though), but there's something here you can't really deny; Turbo Engine hardware is damned expensive. That's what makes the software so hard to obtain for me.Quote:
For as many loose cheap deals on sega stuff there's just as many loose cheap hu cards on PCE/Turbo
$70 or more for a freakin TG-16 is too much. Sure they might be uncommon, but the lack of games should limit the value. Turbo Duos are of a similar situation. PC Engine Duos are way overpriced. I'd like to hope regular PC Engines are cheap, but probably not.
Also, I find importing an inconvenience.
Hasn't your mommy told you to go to bed and stop spending lunch money on Neo Geo stuff? Now that's expensive stuff..... Most of my favorite PCE games are cheepies. In fact all of my games are cheep cause I know how to look for good deals. If you spent $70 on a TG-16 you got pwned
$70 for a USED TG16 is the average... with one controller, the power cable, no video cable, and no games. The only way you'll get one cheaper is to find a shop that sells old consoles where they don't know the value of what they have (or a yard sale with a similarly ignorant person). You'll never find a CD unit for under $120, and closer to $200 is common. The games aren't TOO expensive (with certain key exceptions of course), but they generally run two to three times what you'd pay for the same (or similar) game on the MD or SNES.
A new PCE Core system (Japanese TG16) will generally run $120 plus shipping. The CD unit to go with it will run another $100 or more. Then you'll need an adapter or get someone to mod it for you. I paid a bit more than the going rate for my SGX, but it had the US/Jap mod and the svideo mod done on it, so I think I did pretty well in the end on it.
Elabit, don't push me...
And look, we all make bad buying decisions and that Turbo was one of mine. I realize it was on the high end of it's value and to be honest it's made me bitter towards the console. I'm thinking of modding it to up it's value and then sell it.
But trust me, I've had lots of great deals. I got a crap ton of Dreamcast stuff for free, a Sega CD with a big stack of games for $50, a deluxe Game Gear bag full of GG stuff for $30 and more.
@Chilly:
My TG16 came with the Turbo Tap (which I've had to fix Controller Port 1 on a few times now), Keith Courage, Victory Run and TV Sports Hockey. I got Bonk's Adventure for $20 much later on. Do you think a TG16 is more valuable if RCA jacks are mounted onto the case? I wonder how hard the region switch is to pull off...
I can go on ebay right now (well, anytime really) and get a working, good looking Genesis with all the hook ups, a couple of controllers, and like 5-10 games for like $20-$30. If you really want to shut some people up, I challenge you to post a similarly priced TG-16 bundle (w/ at least 5 games).Quote:
Originally Posted by ELabit
I'm sure you'll make a lot of friends here if you can hook them up with TG-16 bundles for under $50.
Interestingly Lords of Thunder is usually the same price for both systems $25-30, in fact the sega cd version is often the higher of the two. And it doesn't have the awesome Masamune Shirow cover art.
*notices Elabit completely ignored what splatterhouse5 said*
I think Trollabit is cruisin' for a bannin'.
Just sayin'.
Don't think your shit doesn't stink either Guntz, in fact it probably smells worseQuote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
How about we let the mod squad decide that...
Your only posts in this thread have been negative, in fact you started this by trashing the Turbo and it's fans in the first place.
To the OP, I'm sorry this happened to your thread. I urge you to not only play the TurboGrafx and it's variants, but to also try every console ever made because video games are awesome. If you can't afford the initial costs of getting into the system, try out some games on teh Virtual Console! You might be pleasantly surprised at how many fun games there are. Don't pass up Dracula X, Gate of Thunder, Neutopia, the Bonk series, heck try them all!
Also for fun try some games that were on both systems and do a comparison test. Some Sega ports win, some PCE ports are better, but in the end it's all a matter of taste.
I'm gonna have to give it to ELabit here, popping into a PCE/TG-16 thread and labeling the system as the "Wallet Rape-16" ain't gonna go well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ELabit
I was not trashing the Turbo Engine. My only problem was with the fanbase for skyrocketing the prices into the stratosphere... In perspective with other systems that is.
Let me put it to you this way. Everyone knows the NEO-GEO AES is insanely expensive. But you know what? It's always been that way. There's never really been a period when the Neo-Geo was valued as just yet another game console. Anyone in the know knew it was still arcade hardware that had a high retail markup and it's value would remain high. These days yes, the console itself and some of the early launch games can be had relatively cheaply, but the good stuff is where the big money lies. Games like Metal Slug 3 ($400 - $500), Garou: Mark of the Wolves ($400), Sengoku 3 ($800), Twinkle Star Sprites (well over $1000) and countless other games define what the Neo-Geo is. The Ferrari of video games.
Now the Turbo Engine (easier than saying them separately) was originally sold at retail and considered among fans and consumers to be no different than other comparable consoles like the Genesis. As far as PC Engine is concerned, it virtually was the most successful console of them all in Japan. I'm not entirely sure if the SFC was more successful in the end, but PC Engine certainly was a massive seller over there. TG16 floundered rather pitifully, but it was never marketed well in the first place so that's a given.
Here's my big question now that you've read all that; Why is the PC Engine more valuable by scale than the Neo-Geo and for far less reason? Why are PC Engine Duos more expensive than a Japanese AES? WHY? I can't find a logical reason for it. Somebody needs to explain this to me (won't make me hate the price hikes any less)...
People are stupid. The Sega Genesis and the SNES are a dime a dozen. The NES goes for more now then either. The TG16 was decidedly rarer and had a significantly more impressive Japanese library meaning that you needed to import everything. The system also had a massive amount of upgrades(UPDATES I MEAN UPDATES!!!!!!!!!!) so you need to buy all these items and then some. I guess these things make the system more attractive. I would love one but I ain’t gona pay those prices. I want a Turbo Duo so bad though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
FYI, MOTW’s is more than $400, hell an MVS cart goes for $100. MS3 is also more expensive. MS1 way over a G. Some games are over $10,000