I've already got a Mamebox, plus collections tend to have subdued/wrong music and sound effects. I also like to see how ports and adaptations turned out on hardware back in the day, emulation never impresses me.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
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I've already got a Mamebox, plus collections tend to have subdued/wrong music and sound effects. I also like to see how ports and adaptations turned out on hardware back in the day, emulation never impresses me.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Supply and demand. More people want PC Engine and Turbo stuff, hence it costs more. That's always the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
Why people want it more is up for debate, if I were to hazard a guess it is because NeoGeo stuff has a stigma of costing big bucks, so people don't even consider it and the PC Engine (not Turbo) has a ton of games you can get from eBay for pretty cheap. Also, if you factor in the fact that almost all the PCE stuff needs to take a boat or something over from Japan to get to the US, it inflates the prices a bit with shipping alone.
I got ripped on my Turbo purchase too Guntz, $70 for a Turbo and all hookups plus a loosie Bonk's Adventure. There nothing you can do but learn from it.
Oh, and for modding the TurboGrafx the composite mod is a piece of cake, but the region mod is not as simple. The region mod involves swapping the pin location for several spots on the HuCard to the reader. I recommend a chopsado if you want PCE stuff on a Turbo.
This man always talks sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by 16-bit
This man usually talks sense, and is here. He's also learned. I noted Anearth because many people may mistake its listing for an exclusive; it's also on Saturn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Guntz usually talks sense, but this is utter rot. I trimmed it because every word he's written in this thread has been utter rot. So what if it's expensive, man? Buy an rpg, it'll last longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
Sense as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse813
True, but the problem is Genesis + CD = Sega CD. PCE + CD = Saturn. Who now would buy a PCE and not turn it into a Duo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Splatterhouse5
I have to admit, I used to sneer at this system as nothing but shooters. Now I see it's more about quality shooters (CD) and a hoard of anime sims and rpgs. Sweet.
Sorry, though, Kamahl, Legendary Axe is a bad Astyanax plagiarism. All the same you do know your stuff.
Yeah but hitting an enemy with a fully charged axe is incredibly satisfying :D. Something sadly missing from the sequel.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarMist
This system has become my white whale over the past year and a half. Every time I see a duo in the wild, I'm either outbid (eBay), too late (CL), or broke (RL). I know I'll get it some day, but I'd like for it to be some day soon. ;) On the up side, I did manage to score a trade for a TG-16 w/ AV booster, controller, 3 games, and AC adapter for two Wii games and 12.00 in shipping. I've also been able to tap the communication port in the back of the unit and manufacture an external s-video and audio out cable for it. Looks sweet. :)
I just think the prices on PCE stuff can be ridiculous at times. When I read about it's domination in Japan, it sounds like therefore, it shouldn't really be too expensive. The SNES sold very well and in often cases it can be cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by xelement5x
Thanks for the comforting words. :) Chilly said that's about average on the scale. Does this mean the TG16 has been going up in value? I thought $70 was on the high scale.Quote:
I got ripped on my Turbo purchase too Guntz, $70 for a Turbo and all hookups plus a loosie Bonk's Adventure. There nothing you can do but learn from it.
They have single throw switches for that, right? I'd have to see some guides and the specimen itself before I say it's difficult or not.Quote:
Oh, and for modding the TurboGrafx the composite mod is a piece of cake, but the region mod is not as simple. The region mod involves swapping the pin location for several spots on the HuCard to the reader. I recommend a chopsado if you want PCE stuff on a Turbo.
Also, you misunderstand me. I don't want the mod for myself. I was hoping that modding the crap out of my TG16 would make it more valuable, so maybe I could dump it off and move onto greener pastures.
Perfect timing mate, I was just wondering when I'd see a new post from you. Actually saw the suped up MD first, but, sorry to say I prefer my retro systems retro. The Duo however, is not retro, it's the exact right age in bits, and that rig sounds great (I know it's just the hu-card machine now, but you'll get the rest). As for the italics I added, I'd just said that earlier here today about the Duo's library. And a respectable glancing pun, that bit of lit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastcallhall
@ the Topic = I suppose we're all driving the prices up more. C'est la vie, c'est la marché.
A bad plagiarism that predates the inferior arcade and NES versions.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarMist
All the same you do know your stuff. ;)
You're right about the date; I'd seen them in reverse order somewhere, but what the hell. They're `89 and `90 for interested bypassers. That notwithstanding, Astyanax remains the better game, however much on borrowed mechanics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Tiger
No, that's about right these days. Don't go by what you saw last year or the year before - this is the price NOW. Anything under $70 right now is sold broken/for parts. The price on anything PCE related (including games) has been climbing fairly quickly over the last two years. I hope it peaks and starts to drop, but it's not showing signs of that right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
PC8801 is the original, released only about a month before the MSX version though. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
No, the SFC dominated the market with about 60% of the sales for the total generation (PCE had a bigger chunk earlier on, but that's only if you exclude FC sales :p).Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
PCE ended up with something like 28% of the market share in the end (possibly more, as duo sales are unaccounted -and PCE sales aren't as detailed as they should be either -but Sega's figures aren't any better), but that's still HUGE in a market where Nintendo had had a near-total monopoly prior to its release and continued to own many exclusives from key publishers (including Square). It's also notable as having the CD format supercede ROM as the standard format. (which is part of why the lack of Duo sales figures could be even more significant)
However, selling big in Japan is still relatively limited compared to worldwide, so even for import stuff, demand is relatively sensitive.
However, aside from import costs, the Japanese PCE stuff isn't particularly expensive (a good deal better than importing some SNES stuff, and that was FAR more common, though also with much bigger fanboy demand :p ). The US releases are far less common (the system itself sold worse than the Sega CD in the US), so the supply is much more limited and thus more price senstitive than in Japan or with other consoles. (the Genesis obviously is among the best "on the cheap" platforms to collect for due to the relatively low interest -especially from ridiculous fans ;) - and sold in very high volumes in the US and Europe)
Compare Super Famicom import prices for hot games . . . and then take into account that the system is a lot more common in Japan too. ;)Quote:
It seems everybody and his dog in the US is clamoring for a PC-Engine because it has so many OMGWTFBBQ games on it... Even though a SNES and Genesis certainly compare and for an extremely small fraction of the cost.
US SNES prices for certain "OMFG" games that weren't sold in super, super high volumes are also expensive for western releases, though obviously due to much, much higher demand than TG-16 counterparts.
Yeah, but the only way you can avoid those prices is if there were simply fewer fans of the system in general. :pQuote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on the TG-16/PCE itself because that would be stupid. I'm hating the fans for driving the prices so damn high. What's the point in so many great games, if they are unattainable to regular people? Sure you could just use backups, but then again, some of us like to own original copies.
The more people interested in a product of fixed quantity, the higher the prices will be.
Supply and demand. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
Except I'd say the SNES (or Super Famicom, imported) are considerably worse in that respect. Far, far more available (more than an order of magnitude for the turbo vs SNES, still a wide margin over the PCE as well -and more competition from western SNES stuff, and European specific releases too where PCE has much Japan only).
Perhaps it's better compared with the Saturn, except with a much longer mainstream life (in Japan at least), and much greater obscurity in the west (especially beyond North America) and a dramatic boost in hobby/collector interest in recent years. (especially with the JRPG craze and some other Japanese-emphasized genres -many of which drive much of the SNES market as well, albeit without the "OMFG itz teh Nintendo" factor :p)
Still not too bad compared to the Jaguar. ;) (let alone Jag CD :p )Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
But I seem to recall imports being a lot more affordable (at least for lots where shipping can be made reasonable), and going for a Japanese Duo would be one of the best values overall.
Plus, if you're more interested in playing the games than collecting and don't mind not owning a legitimate copy, there's no region lock or security on the CD (and it's not especially finicky to CD-Rs IIRC), so that's a pretty open option right there. ;) (cards OTOH ARE region locked, though adapters aren't too hard to find)
What? That seems off . . . Apolloboy sold off his TG and CD a few months back (early spring iirc) and got a Japanese Duo for a lot less than $200 shipped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
Are you just talking about ebay prices (including ebay Japan specifically) or all online sales/auction sites in general? (I forget how Apolloboy bought/traded his, Ineed to ask again)
Some things are much, much cheaper by buying through alternate outlets simply as the "common" or "mainstream" ones are horribly bottlenecked or limited in traffic of those items. (PC88 and 98 are super, super common in Japan, but they almost never go on ebay -not even that often on ebay japan iirc- and tend to be very highly priced when they do come up -that would be like Spectrums, Amigas, or STs almost never showing up on UK/Europe ebay and going for extreme prices . . . or perhaps mid/late 80s PC/clones on US ebay ;) -except the market is a bit skimpy for the latter too, at least for complete systems -old PC parts are fairly common on ebay)
One of the absolute best cases would be trading online with an acquaintance (or preferably friend) who actually lives/works in Japan (or whatever region) and has access to such items at local market prices, thus allowing you to directly buy/trade at those prices. ;)
For that matter, buying/selling/trading on some more dedicated appriciation/fan sites or comunities can also have much better deals at times. (it depends on the case, but for much of the Atari 8-bit, ST, and to some extent 2600/5200/7800 stuff, Atariage has some pretty good trading/selling deals -or sometimes people giving stuff away for the cost of shipping ;))
So, should I just hang onto my TG16 and try to scrounge up whatever good games are available for it? Seriously thinking of doing that region switch mod. When I get some more panel mount RCA jacks, I'm totally adding those to my TG16. I'm tired of being scared of breaking the expansion port pins off (not that they'll see much use anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
@Kool Kitty:
I did read all of your replies, though I don't have much to say about them... Except that I can't help but feel the fanboy love of Turbo Engine is stronger than US SNES. Or at least, the former are much more vocal.
My prices are a combination of ebay and google product search. Your best bet for a deal is to bid low on ebay and hope for the best, or find a local game store or pawn shop that doesn't know what they have. :)
We need to start a "Wallet-Raper" thread... some things I have that would go on it:
SuperGrafX
Dreamcast Broadband Adapter
And yes, anything Jaguar related would be in that list. I looked at getting into Jaguar vs getting into the PCE, and went with the PCE. :D
Funny enough, the CDX doesn't make the thread, or would be on the very lowest end of the list there. The US CDX at least is not very expensive... well, it is compared to a Model 1/2 + CD, but not MUCH more expensive, and certainly nowhere close to what it used to be. You're going to pay a LOT less for a CDX than a TG/PCE Duo.
I would have too if I had to pick between the two. The Jag kind of reminds me of the 32x where you really have to make compromises to justify the price of admission, but at least the 32x doesn't cost nearly as much to give off the same feeling. And don't get me started on the Jag CD, and it's 5 game library, and $200-$300 admission fee (for a unit that might work).Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
I would probably shit a brick if I saw any dirt cheap TG-16, or Jaguar, stuff in some 2nd hand shop. I'm not saying it's impossible, but i've never seen it. I've never even personally known anyone that has owned a Jag before, and I've only ever known a couple of people to own a TG-16 (friends of friends, of course).
The Wallet-Rape Thread idea is a good one.
The only TG-16 game that impressed me back in the day was "China Warrior", with its gigantic sprites.
And the main character looked like Bruce Lee, that was worth a bonus point or three.