My all time favorite console is the sega genesis but omg.. the pc engine, turbo grafx-16, turbo duo, is a great console, underrated as well. did anyone had chance to play with one?
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My all time favorite console is the sega genesis but omg.. the pc engine, turbo grafx-16, turbo duo, is a great console, underrated as well. did anyone had chance to play with one?
It had some okay games. But not enough to make me want to buy one.
Most of the really good games for it were either really hard to come by, or imports in an age when imports were not an easy thing to acquire. Also, I hated their sophomoric ad campaigns. Johnny Turbo was such a fucking putz.
Didnt get my first turbo untill 98
Oh ya baby...I love the Turbo Duo.
Got about 86 games for it.
I get the impression the Wallet Rape-16 and it's Japanese equivalent are awfully overrated. Yeah it's great if you like shooters, but many other genres end up feeling rather lacking. Did I mention the weeaboo fans have jacked prices up so high, the Neo-Geo high rollers would blush?
Its definitely not a "collector on a budget" friendly system, and forget finding games for it just lying around in garage sales like you can with most other consoles. Hell I've held more Atari 7800 games in my hands than TG16 ones.
I don't know what your talking about, but this is certainly a collectors system. It descended both 8-bit and 16-bit eras and delivered a lot of great games. Not to mention, it was developed by the collaboration of 2 obscure companies. To me, you seem to be generalizing a bit, because there are lots quality games available for this machine. Definitely consider exploring it.
Actually, most games are pretty cheap. Unless most Neo Geo games go for more than $5 - $30 or that's expensive to you. The PCE has more RPG and RPG-like games than shooters, but shooters only make up around 10% of the library. There is something like 700+ games, so chances are you'll find enough games to enjoy from the other 500+ titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
It definitely is a "collector on a budget" friendly system. Ever since Japanese sellers started shipping internationally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastardcat
I'm guessing that the myth that Turbo/PCE games are expensive comes from the handful of games that are advertised and occasionally sell for too much money. Even though the ones even the average Turbo/PCE fan has even heard of make up only 1% of the catalog.
There are so many great games that can easily be found for only $5 - $10.
Much like the SNES and MD, it's worth getting for the exclusives (or just downright superior versions).
It has a TON of great games:
Gate of Thunder
Lords of Thunder (Don't let the crazy sega fans here tell you otherwise, the Sega-CD version is shit in comparison)
Soldier Blade
Nexzr
Spriggan
Spriggan Mark 2
Castlevania: Rondo of Blood
Beyond Shadowgate
Blood Gear
Macross Eien No Love Song
Legend of Xanadu 2
Ys IV
Magical Chase
Devil Crash (the pce version is superior)
Bonk's Revenge
Air Zonk
Legendary Axe
Blazing Lazers
Tengai Makyo Kabuki Den
Solid Force
Snatcher
Street Fighter 2
Langrisser
Neo Nectaris
Magicoal
Kisou Louga 2
Metal Stoker
Bomberman 94
Bloody Wolf
Anearth Fantasy Stories
Kaze Kiri Ninja Action
Last Alert
Just some of my favorites.
that thing had snatcher? lol
I have a region modded pce engine duo-r and it is very fun to play. I have a variety of different types of games and enjoy most of the games I have for it.
It's the original (CD) version, it's also in japanese.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pro21xx
The MSX version is the real original but it isn't CD based XD
The PCE version was a major upgrade over the previous versions and added the Third Act. The Sega-CD version is a slightly altered port of the PC Engine version. If there had been no PCE version, there would be no Sega-CD version. The Space Adventure, Mega Bomberman, Valis III, Exile and Lords of Thunder are also ports of PCE games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pro21xx
I have a Duo and 69 games. It can be pretty difficult/expensive to acquire the system's worthwhile games, unless playing RPGs in Japanese is your idea of a good time. But it's definitely a great system.
I really like a good number of the PCE games on cards and discs, but my Duo has been having sound issue from day 1. Got it fixed and all was well until a few days after I got it back, and the sound issue came back just like it was before the repair. Pretty frustrating to say the least.
I've been collecting for the TG-16 and PCE for years now and while it may more expensive to collect for than most other systems, it's certainly nowhere near Neo-Geo territory. And what weeaboo fans? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
The Turbo Duo was always a system that I had a passing curiosity for, but it does feel a bit on the pricey side. First of all, the Turbo Duo itself is expensive. A T-16 unit is attainable, but the add-on CD unit has a reputation of crapping out rather often, and it's expensive whether it works or not, which is the same kind of heresay that would scare out of trying to get a Jaguar CD unit.
Secondly, it seems like the kind of system where you're going to have to go about getting games one at a time - I rarely see lots of 5-10 games go for reasonable prices on ebay (no matter what the games are) whereas it's not uncommon bump into a nice 10-15 game Genesis lot for 30-50 bucks. The Genesis really does feel a lot more "collector on a budget" friendly.
I recently went through a "How about I start collecting for an odd retro system" phase with the Turbo Duo and the Atari Jaguar in mind, and the funny thing is that judging by rising prices for both systems, I wasn't the only one that was thinking about it. I get the feeling that if i was going to do it, I should have done it a few years ago. In the end, i decided to just collect for the Genesis and the Sega CD (the SCD being another system for which I've noticed rising prices recently), thinking that at least I have a history with these systems, and I'll probably enjoy collecting for them more.
It's all about perspective. Didn't the PC-Engine outsell the Super Famicom and Mega Drive? Shouldn't the systems and games hold little value since they are so common, therefore? There is zero reason for the obscene prices. It's almost like US SNES prices, except more extreme. By comparison, TG-16/PCE makes the Neo-Geo look like the N64 as far as prices go. In perspective though. You have to account for the fact that the PCE sold extremely well, almost like a 16-bit US NES. Whereas the NG sold poor numbers, but brought in decent money.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApolloBoy
Weeaboo = Japanophile
It seems everybody and his dog in the US is clamoring for a PC-Engine because it has so many OMGWTFBBQ games on it... Even though a SNES and Genesis certainly compare and for an extremely small fraction of the cost.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on the TG-16/PCE itself because that would be stupid. I'm hating the fans for driving the prices so damn high. What's the point in so many great games, if they are unattainable to regular people? Sure you could just use backups, but then again, some of us like to own original copies.
I've been on a PC-Engine kick for a bit recently, but what's funny is I originally started by picking up a TG16 from a guy and quickly realized that there's a crazy bubble going on with TG stuff. I was able to pick up a ton of PCE stuff at a really nice price, so I've got more PC Engine HuCards and CDs than US stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splatterhouse5
I've also seen prices rising on a lot of the older CD stuff. I've almost finished my SegaCD collection, I'm only missing two games (one ultra-common and one pretty rare), but a lot of anything with collecting for these is patience. Don't go for BIN singles, just wait for an auction if you can. The BIN prices are what I think is responsible for the upward trend in TG stuff in general since each new BIN seems to be higher than the last.
Where are getting all of this from? Your logic that there should be enough quantity to allow reasonable prices is correct, but your comments about the actual prices is fantasy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
Do you also think that the Genesis family of games is uber expensive, because of games like Musha, Rockman Mega World, Panarama Cotton, Snatcher, The Space Adventure, Shining Force CD, Spiderman Web of Fire and Darxide?
I picked up my Duo/R a few years ago and have had no shortage of affordable games to pick up since then. I also avoid games with tons of Japanese text/voice unless the gameplay proper is very action oriented (see Legend of Xanadu). I've picked up all of the TG16 games I owned back in the day for less than $15 each, and even picked up a few more that I wished I owned but never did like Neutopia, Splatterhouse and Military Madness. These were between $20 and $40 each, Military Madness came new sealed for that. I also just snagged Victory Run for $9.50 and will hopefully land Final Lap Twin for less than $15 soon. I picked up the imports of Altered Beast CD, Space Harrier, R-Type 1+2, After Burner II, and Shinobi for similar prices. Operation Wolf, Street Fighter 2 Champion Edition, Sim Earth, Populous, Art of Fighting ACD, Fatal Fury 2 ACD, Strider ACD, Black Hole Assault, Double Dungeons, Gate of Thunder, Riot Zone, Valis II, and Valis III were all between $10 and $40 as well.
Unfortunately some of the games I want the most are between $50-100, but they charge $60 for the crap they sell on modern consoles, I just got used to spending $10-15 on games for Sega systems. ;)
I did snag Castlevania Rondo of Blood for $115 a couple of years ago, and I will probably bite the bullet and spend $80 on Double Dragon II CD at some point. There are still plenty budget priced games to snag though, I've been eying Power Drift for $20 for a while now. Forgotten Worlds, Godzilla, Last Alert, Lords of Thunder, Vasteel, Ys Book 1+2, Ys III, Aero Blasters, Bloody Wolf, Cadash, Chase HQ, Devil's Crush, and S.C.I. are also on my want/watch lists. I doubt the average cost of picking all of these up will go over $30 each.
I had a Turbo Express with BONK and Chase HQ and then it got stolen. That’s about it.
Wallet-Raper 16... :D It sure is. While you can pick up a few HuCards or CDs at a decent price, most are mind-rapingly expensive. The consoles certainly are - it's rare to see a plain USED TG-16 for less than $80 by itself, and the CDROM is just outrageous. If you're lucky, you might find a duo or equivalent for around $150, but don't hold your breath. I've got a SuperGrafX, and only got it because one of the members here refurbished it himself then offered it to me knowing I was looking for one. So while I'm part of the craze, I can admit the prices are crazy. I don't even want to think about trying to add a NeoGeo to my collection.
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I have the Neo, CD, AES, and two arcade cabs. It's a bitch for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
I think that most gamers on a budget tend to lean towards open auctions more often than BINs, but I think that even the auctions are running high on TG-16 gear lately. It's probably the widening scope of the internet, but it almost feels like it just recently (the past 3 to 5 years) became hip to get into the TG-16, because I couldn't pay anyone enough to talk about it back when it was out.Quote:
Originally Posted by xelement5x
I have a PCengine Duo R with about 20 or so games. I'm not a weaboo, a hardcore shooter fan, or someone who feels like paying seventy five million dollars for a single game, and I have to say that I've enjoyed the system quite a bit. Some games can be expensive, but there's still lots of games that are worth playing that you can get for like 5-25$ And the best part is, well, you can burn games for it.
this is complete nonsense. the PCE has plenty of good games that aren't shooters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
Hucard
Alien Crush
Bloody Wolf
Bomberman
Bomberman '93
Bomberman '94
Bonk's Adventure
Bonk's Revenge
Bonk's Big Adventure
Cadash
Cratermaze
Devil's Crush
Don Doko Don
Dragon's Curse
Dungeon Explorer
Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu
JJ And Jeff
Legend of Hero Tonma
Legendary Axe
Legendary Axe II
Military Madness
Neutopia
Neutopia 2
New Adventure Island
Ninja Spirit
Parasol Stars
Son Of Dracula
Street Fighter II'
CD Games for PCE
Advanced V.G.
Akumajō Dracula X
Art of Fighting
Card Angels
Cosmic Fantasy 2
Double Dragon II - The Revenge
Dragon Slayer - The Legend of Heroes
Dungeon Explorer II
Dungeon Master - Theron's Quest
Dynastic Hero
Exile
Exile - Wicked Phenomenon
Fatal Fury Special
Fausseté Amour
Godzilla
Last Alert
Loom
Mad Stalker
Might And Magic 3
Panic Bomber
Prince Of Persia
Puyo Puyo CD
Riot Zone
Shadow Of The Beast
Shape Shifter
Schbibin Man 3
Splash Lake
Strider Hikyu
Valis III
Valis IV
Ys - Book I & II
Ys III - Wanderers From Ys
Why not pick up titles like Forgotten Worlds and Cadash on the Taito Legends 2 and Capcom Classics Collection?Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
Haters gonna hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
maybe when you are an adult you can afford some REAL MANS games :lol:
The most I've spent for a game was $30 maybe
You wanna make something of it, Mr. I'm-better-than-you-because-I'm-older? Huh?!
Also, the second line completely contradicts the third one. $30 sure is expensive, wow.
EDIT: Actually, you don't even have your age listed. I'm already more man than you because my full date of birth is listed!
You pay for what you get, Phantasy star complete in nice condition with map and hint book ~$30 Ys Book 1+2 in same quality ~$30 both awesome games. For as many loose cheap deals on sega stuff there's just as many loose cheap hu cards on PCE/TurboQuote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
I love both consoles, they just sit on opposite sides of the cabinet :)
Oh good, now you're twisting my words by talking about game quality, not monetary value like what everyone else was talking about in this thread. Good job, very adult of you.Quote:
You pay for what you get, Phantasy star complete in nice condition with map and hint book ~$30 Ys Book 1+2 in same quality ~$30 both awesome games.
Not my most expensive, but off the top of my head, I've paid $60 for a Metal Slug 3 US MVS cart, $70 for a TG16 + extra crap (which I regret, trust me. That's money I'm never seeing again) and quite a few large lots of stuff. That's where most of my money goes actually, crap tons of stuff under one price.
And then you bury the stuff relevant to the discussion. Yes, fair enough, there are some cheapo TG16/PCE games available (not as cheap as Sega games though), but there's something here you can't really deny; Turbo Engine hardware is damned expensive. That's what makes the software so hard to obtain for me.Quote:
For as many loose cheap deals on sega stuff there's just as many loose cheap hu cards on PCE/Turbo
$70 or more for a freakin TG-16 is too much. Sure they might be uncommon, but the lack of games should limit the value. Turbo Duos are of a similar situation. PC Engine Duos are way overpriced. I'd like to hope regular PC Engines are cheap, but probably not.
Also, I find importing an inconvenience.
Hasn't your mommy told you to go to bed and stop spending lunch money on Neo Geo stuff? Now that's expensive stuff..... Most of my favorite PCE games are cheepies. In fact all of my games are cheep cause I know how to look for good deals. If you spent $70 on a TG-16 you got pwned
$70 for a USED TG16 is the average... with one controller, the power cable, no video cable, and no games. The only way you'll get one cheaper is to find a shop that sells old consoles where they don't know the value of what they have (or a yard sale with a similarly ignorant person). You'll never find a CD unit for under $120, and closer to $200 is common. The games aren't TOO expensive (with certain key exceptions of course), but they generally run two to three times what you'd pay for the same (or similar) game on the MD or SNES.
A new PCE Core system (Japanese TG16) will generally run $120 plus shipping. The CD unit to go with it will run another $100 or more. Then you'll need an adapter or get someone to mod it for you. I paid a bit more than the going rate for my SGX, but it had the US/Jap mod and the svideo mod done on it, so I think I did pretty well in the end on it.
Elabit, don't push me...
And look, we all make bad buying decisions and that Turbo was one of mine. I realize it was on the high end of it's value and to be honest it's made me bitter towards the console. I'm thinking of modding it to up it's value and then sell it.
But trust me, I've had lots of great deals. I got a crap ton of Dreamcast stuff for free, a Sega CD with a big stack of games for $50, a deluxe Game Gear bag full of GG stuff for $30 and more.
@Chilly:
My TG16 came with the Turbo Tap (which I've had to fix Controller Port 1 on a few times now), Keith Courage, Victory Run and TV Sports Hockey. I got Bonk's Adventure for $20 much later on. Do you think a TG16 is more valuable if RCA jacks are mounted onto the case? I wonder how hard the region switch is to pull off...
I can go on ebay right now (well, anytime really) and get a working, good looking Genesis with all the hook ups, a couple of controllers, and like 5-10 games for like $20-$30. If you really want to shut some people up, I challenge you to post a similarly priced TG-16 bundle (w/ at least 5 games).Quote:
Originally Posted by ELabit
I'm sure you'll make a lot of friends here if you can hook them up with TG-16 bundles for under $50.
Interestingly Lords of Thunder is usually the same price for both systems $25-30, in fact the sega cd version is often the higher of the two. And it doesn't have the awesome Masamune Shirow cover art.
*notices Elabit completely ignored what splatterhouse5 said*
I think Trollabit is cruisin' for a bannin'.
Just sayin'.
Don't think your shit doesn't stink either Guntz, in fact it probably smells worseQuote:
Originally Posted by Guntz