Games That Might Have Sold More SCD Units

Of course, this is a fantasy thread, but I'm curious as to what games you think would have moved more units if they were available for the Sega Cd back in the day. I mean, I ended up picking one up anyway, but even so, are there games that you really wish had a SCD version worth picking up?

Remember that this is a complete fantasy thread, so please, no drawn out negative disussion on how Game X would have been a retarded idea because Publisher Y hated Console Z, and Developer A couldn't rap their heads around Technology B, because Evil Company C didn't hand out tech devs to Devlopers A, U, and V.

Some discussion is nice, but some of you guys get too worked up over the details. Let's try to have a little fun with this.

1. Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis - This was the one game back in the day that I was really hoping would make the move over to SCD. With point and click adventures finding their way on the SCD, I was a little disappointed that they didn't port this one over.

2. TMNT: Turtles in Time or The Arcade Game - After the mess that was Hyperstone Heist, I would have been happy with a perfect port of TiT, although a version of the Arcade Game would have been nice.

3. The Simpsons Arcade Game - I loved this at the arcade. I find it odd that a console port was never attempted. I certainly would have settled for a watered down port on the SCD.

4. Castlevania: Rhondo of Blood - This certainly would have been nice. Snatcher was definately nice, but a little more SCD love from Konami might have gone a long way with the Sega faithful.

5. T2: The Arcade Game - This was a fave of mine at the arcade. I'm sure I would have picked it up if there was a beefed up version of it for SCD. Of course, the SCD version would have had to have been vastly superior to the Genny version (kinda like the differences between the cart and SCD versions of the Terminator).

6. Mega Man: The Wily Wars (or any Mega Man game for that matter) - I do find it silly that this didn't make it to the states. Did Capcom even try to develop any games for the SCD? They have so much IP that would have been nice on the SCD.

7. Street Fighter 2 - I know this has been brought up in a legthy thread, but we're just dreaming right now. A version of this, which would have had to have been a definative version of the game, would have been great on the SCD, especially at the time. I know I would have picked it up.

8. A new Streets of Rage game - Hell, i would have been happy with just SoR 2 or 3 with pumped up music, although a new game would have been even better...well, as long as they weren't trying to re-invent the wheel with it.

9. The Star Wars Trilogy - At the time, if I was jealous of SNES third party games, it was those JVC Star Wars games. Since JVC was really supporting the SCD, I was really hoping that they would port those games over to the SCD. It would have been really nice, but alas...

10. Shadowrun and 8x8 Eyes - Ooohh, how I would have loved it if they brought them over to the states. Actually, seeing stills of 8x8 Eyes before the SCD hit the states is what made me really want to get a SCD when it did get to the states. What a tease!

Nice list.

I would definitely settle for the Simpsons Arcade Game and Castlevania. This would be kick-ass!

I know that at the time Square only developed for Nintendo systems, but it would have been awesome to see what they could do with the Genesis. Hell, even Enix would be way cool.

What a great topic and what a great list .

Mine you be (and includes games I think the Mega CD could have handled pretty decently)

1) Out Run - Should have been ported using John O' brien Batman engine

2) Power Drift - SEGA should have given the task to John O'brien and the rest of the Batman/Cliffhanger Mega CD team to port

3) Super Hang On - Tale the quite brilliant MD code build on it and add in Scaling and a new CD soundtrack

4) Space Harrier

5 After Burner II - Take the MD code and add in full hardware scaling

6) Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis - A port anywhere near as good or as close as the Rise of the Dragon port would have been awesome

7) Strider Mega CD - Like the Mega CD version of Final Fight put in an all new CD music score, include all the speech and sound from the Arcade and just built on what was already done on the Mega Drive version

8 ) Castlevania Mega CD - Only making full use of the Mega CD sprite effects

9) Hattrick Hero - Love this soccer game as a kid and would have loved a port with Full hardware scaling

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Another Phantasy Star game on the Sega CD would have been a great addition.

Any game that actually took advantage of the damn scaling chip inside the console.

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Games That Might Have Sold More SCD Units

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Genesis cartridge compilations.

(and not fucking them up like Golden Axe)

I think this has been discussed before... But "Indiana Jones and The Fate of Atlantis" was an Unreleased Sega CD title... It was SUPPOSE to come out...

http://vberthelot.free.fr/Scans/Maga...dianajones.jpg

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Google Translation

Renowned worldwide for the quality of its
products, LucasArts keen interest in
capacity due Mega-CD. Due time, to the beginning of
the next year, we should treat in
participant in the new adventure
the most famous archaeologist of the planet, I
called the beautiful, big, strong Indiana Jones.
Again, during the journey that awaits him,
Indy must fight against the Nazis who, like
always, it will take a piece of ancient art
to try to dominate the world.
This adventure game is fully graphical
place in trios dimensions. In the skin of Dr.
Jones, you spend most of your time has
you beat up and to consider how the
machine will have available to you
escape from the clutches of the Nazis. graphically
quite remarkable, the arrival of Indiana Jones
And The Fate Of Atlantis is announced by Sega
France for the start of the year 1994.

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They didn't release it because of the lack of success with other LucasArts titles on the Sega CD... So somebody SOMEWHERE has a Sega CD version of this game!!!

I always wished they had done the voices for Monkey Island 1 on Sega CD... That might of helped things out a little bit. We'll at least they have a Monkey Island HD with voices now!!!


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Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis is a point-and-click adventure game by LucasArts originally released in 1992. Almost a year later, it was reissued on CD-ROM as an enhanced "talkie" edition with full voice acting and digitized sound effects. In 2009, this version was also released as an unlockable extra of the Wii action game Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings

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I didn't know this!!!!

Super Street Fighter II X
King Of Fighters
Metal Slug
Super Mario CD
Zelda CD
Metroid CD
Donkey Kong Country CD
Final Fantasy CD
Dragon Quest CD
Dracula X
Tengai Makyou
Mega Bomberman CD
Gate of Thunder
Ys I and IV
Mega Bonk
X-Men arcade
Willow arcade
Tempest 2000
Daytona USA

I've posted this before.... BUT...

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Another RTS like Warcraft: Orcs and Humuns couldn't have hurt.

Golden Axe: The Revenge of Death Adder.

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Originally Posted by Olls

Golden Axe: The Revenge of Death Adder.

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Edward Randy and a great Strider clone, that Black Tiger just alerted me to, Osman. Oh, and I agree with all of the other suggestions except the complete fantasy of Nintendo, Square or Enix games ever being made for Sega CD.

All Sega Superscalers (like: Super Hang On, Space Harrier, After Burner....) using hadware-sprite scaling.

Let me use some creative names:
Street Fighter II CD (with the same quality of FFCD port).
Exclusive "Streets of Rage CD" - could have some new effect using sprite scaling, more levels, some animated cut scenes preceding every stage, better sound effects and voices, CD-quality soundtrack....
R-Type CD
Gradius CD
Parodius CD
Raiden CD
Hellfire CD (with the missing 2 player mode)
Gate of Thunder CD (Lords Of Thunder should have been renamed to use "CD")
Golden Axe: The Revenge of Death Adder CD
Rondo of Blood CD
Some Megaman CD games...
Some Bomberman CD games...
Top Gear 2 CD
Fatal Fury 2 CD
Chase H.Q. CD
S.C.I. CD
Drift Out CD
Splatterhouse CD

+1 for powerdrift and outrun man i loved those games

Virtua Racing and Star Wars Arcade. The first could be done with the SCD rather than the SVP... not sure how much work the second would have been - probably about the same drop as the drop between VRD on the 32X and VR on the MD.

All the good ones have been chosen so far but let's see:

The Illusion Collection CD - contains Castle of Illusion and World of Illusion as well as bonus remakes (to Mega Drive quality) of the MS version of Castle of Illusion and Land of Illusion. Includes a classic Disney short as an extra feature.
Shinobi CD - A new Shinobi game with a feel of Revenge of Shinobi and Shinobi 3
Dynamite Dux Dedux - an arcade port of Dynamite Dux with an extra new extended mode
Girl's Garden 2 - Yuji Naka programs the sequel to one of the few remembered SG-1000 games, includes the original as a bonus.
Alex Kidd in CD World - Includes trippy stages and ones that push the Mega CD to its limit.
River City Ransom - A mixture of the X68000 and the PC Engine versions but in English and with a save function.
Continental Circus
Operation Thunderbolt - Menacer and SMS Light Phaser compatible.
Operation Wolf - Arcade perfect port (with an optional machinegun that costs around $60 for the arcade feel), Menacer and SMS Light Phaser compatible.
Suzuka 8 Hours - Arcade port with both split screen and link up to 4 Mega CDs [if possible for the arcade experience] to make up for that "SNES version" by resembling the arcade version more instead of Mode 7 (if it was up to me, I would buy 2 copies)
Final Lap CD - A mixture of Final Lap 1, 2 and 3
A new Sega shooter (made by Sega of Japan) that comes with its own gun (compatible with the games above) that has the feel of Point Blank and Marksman Shooting/Trap Shooting/Safari Hunt but with scaling functions for realism.
Thunder Force CD
Cotton - Most likely Japan only
Hard Drivin series - That game would have definately helped with the Mega CD support and would have made it playable.
World Rally - Lack of rally games for the system.
Road Riot 4WD - A test for the scaler chip.
SegaSonic the Hedgehog - Well Sonic was big and the only game not ported to a console.
A Space Harrier game (whether it'll be a port of the original, an upgrade of Space Harrier 2 or a complete new one but no matter what, it will use the scaling chip).
Same thing with OutRun.

Also any System 16 and System 18 games being ported. The reasons why I listed them is because many of them are what the Mega CD lacked in either terms of franchises (that are either on the Mega Drive or elsewhere), arcade ports that should have been there, 3rd party games that should have been there and what they can do.

Galaxy Force II
Thunder Blade
Power Drift
More translated RPGs
AH-3 Thunderstrike II
Thunder Force IV CD
Golden Axe: The Revenge of Death Adder
A real After Burner III... not that abortion we got in its place
A re-release of Lunar and Lunar II without the atmosphere wrecking modern day references that Victor Ireland and them stuck in

the sega arcade version of spiderman
a new castlevania
tmnt tutles in time
sonic cd 2 or another kick ass sonic game

A CD quality version of Robocop Vs The Terminator, with motion comic cut scenes!
A CD version of MK II done by Sculptured Software instead of anal Probe.

Sega CD was such a great add-on :|

Dynamite Headdy 2
Gunstar Heroes 2
Wing of War CD
SplatterHouse CD (I can just imagine how they'd use the scaling effects)
Midnight Resistance 2
Streets of Rage CD
Altered Beast CD (would've loved to see that)
Castlevania CD
Earthworm Jim 2
Hellfire CD (With 2 player)
Contra CD

Madden NFL 96 with some NFL Films music, and FMV. Lots, and lots of FMV..Mwoohaaahaaahahahahaha!!!

I used to be like you guys and think of a lot of games that could've been on Sega CD, but the tech talk has led me to believe that it's a heavily bottlenecked console that can't do a lot of the sprite-intensive, scaling-intensive coin-op of the late '80's and early '90's. M I RITE?

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Originally Posted by shinobimusashi

Madden NFL 96 with some NFL Films music, and FMV. Lots, and lots of FMV..Mwoohaaahaaahahahahaha!!!

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And John Madden commercials where he sells vaginal anti-fungal cream.

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Originally Posted by ThugsRook

Genesis cartridge compilations.

(and not fucking them up like Golden Axe)

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Yes, and not just compilations, but plain single games as well (which makes using arranged soundtracks easier among other things -and arranged music is one of the cheapest/simplest enhancements to add).

Doing lots of single game releases to the CD with upgrades ranging from barely any at all to Special Edition level stuff (or what Batman Returns did with a whole added gameplay mode) would all be great.
The basic cart ports would have been very important (not falsely marketed as specially enhanced, of course -beyond actual enhancements) as a marketing tool to make the CD a much better value.

CD versions of common cart games could be much cheaper and easier to distribute, thus the CD could literally pay for itself in spite of the high initial investment. (pay off faster for some than others depending on how many games you bought)
And you'd get all the neat exclusives on top of that. ;)


The cheap media would also allow for demo discs to be distributed as an additional means of promotion.

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Originally Posted by shinobimusashi

Madden NFL 96 with some NFL Films music, and FMV. Lots, and lots of FMV..Mwoohaaahaaahahahahaha!!!

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John Madden for the Mega CD was announced along with a trilogy of the EA Strike series (desert ect) . It a shame those never came out as EA did a great job improving the Mega CD version of NHL Hockey, Fifa and Bill .

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Doing lots of single game releases to the CD with upgrades ranging from barely any at all to Special Edition level stuff

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yes they should have been dual releases for both cart and CD games.

#1 = Sega Brawlers Megamix. SoR combines with Golden Axe and Alien Storm; featuring every character from each version of every game, along with the multiple paths and scoring system of GA and the pov lvs of Alien Storm.

#2 = Chakan, from the Bowels of Hell. Chakan descends into Hell to rescue his thousands years' old earthly love. She, a sorceress, becomes the second playable character; 2p mode also incorporates the cooperative play seen in DKC. Featuring four new weapons, the whip, spear, chakram, and claw; bloodletting and bonecrushing. Shinobi 3 speed plus SNK graphics. Features cutscenes, saving, and 3 disks of gameplay.

#3 = Snatcher 2. Wholly designed and written by Jeremy Blaustein, the translator of the first game (read 'rewriter', the English content was greatly improved). Extended lightgun use and multiple endings. 2 disks.

#4 = Bio Hazard Battle CD. Improved graphics, and multiple paths a la Mario 3 (rather than Sagaia's method).

#5 = Shining Force CD. The game that was actually made doesn't count. This is more like the first multiplied by the second. The Shining Force army can now be split to wage separate battles at once. Vastly expanded magic and equipment selection. Uses hexes instead of squares. 2 disks.

# 6 = Chameleon Kid 2, Reality's Web. Bigger, with multiple paths (again, as Mario 3's); no saving.

# 7 = Eve, the Silent City. Screen-to-screen adventure with voice acting, cut scenes, and anime fmv. Sega Exclusive.

#8 = Gunstar Heroes, Endless Ammo. Designed around being 2p simul, with 1p the auxiliary mode for unlocking new weapons, lvs, characters, and endings.

#9 = Alisia Dragoon Saga. Here we get a foretaste of things to come, with an action rpg incorporating freestanding dragons who fight on their own beside Alisia in dungeons, and which she rides in Space Harrier like shooting episodes. Peaceful dealings (towns &c) are structured more along traditional rpg lines.

#10 = Phantasy Star, the Climatrol Ruins. Search for the origins of Dark Force 3000 years after humankind has gone extinct in the Algo system. Only pockets of Numans (Nei's kind), Dezolians, and cyborgs survive in a world of monsters and ageless mechs. Branching story features full player-character dialogue, luxurious cutscenes, dramatic fmv, many endings, the possibility to permanently lose any character, many endings, and the choice whether to join evil oneself. Seven disks.

thanks for a fun topic. It was actually worth doing twice (server crashed).

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Originally Posted by agostinhobaroners

Raiden CD

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With the FM Towns soundtrack . . . and 2 player mode damn-it. :p (a full-screen mode like the SNES would have been nice -make the status column optional)

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Originally Posted by Aarzak

I used to be like you guys and think of a lot of games that could've been on Sega CD, but the tech talk has led me to believe that it's a heavily bottlenecked console that can't do a lot of the sprite-intensive, scaling-intensive coin-op of the late '80's and early '90's. M I RITE?

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There's limitations, but the bigger bottleneck is getting it usefully working with the 32x . . . granted, if the SCD had a basic framebuffer and separate video output, that wouldn't have been an issue -and you'd have less headache than currently using the MD VDP. (and the 32x probably wouldn't have existed -or they could have gone the route of a much cheaper/simpler and possibly earlier CD unit more like NEC's super CD, and then done a separate enhancement add-on in a 32x-like form factor but also cheaper and earlier than the 32x and with more RAM than the 32x to cater more to CD games -especially since the basic CD would have much less RAM in general)

As it was, there was still plenty of potential for use of the MCD in scaled arcade games, and better examples on the system demonstrate that. (having Road Rash CD more like the 3DO game would have been really neat -something in line with what Batman and Robin did)

There should have been more 3D/pseudo 3D games in general, definitely Wolfenstein 3D. (a super optimzied custom version of Doom might have been reasonably decent as well -ie potentially better in some areas than the SNES version)

Best cases tend to cater to the positive points of using the MD VDP rather than the detrimental areas (trying to do full-screen bitmap rendering will be most limited -use more DMA bandwidth, more VRAM space, and have most limited color), best case is things like rendering objects to sprite cells and manipulating those individually (ie using the ASIC to generate animation for the sprites to use -much like ROM animation- and limit large areas as much as possible -warped landscape effects usually require entire screen sections, though you could also use tile flips to mirror cases where symmetrical areas are feasible -polygon rendering could also be used as sprite animation, though only for certain things -some stuff in Batman and Robin could be realistic to do that way- and some things can only be done with solid framebuffer regions drawn to groups of sprites or -usually- BG tiles)

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

John Madden for the Mega CD was announced along with a trilogy of the EA Strike series (desert ect) . It a shame those never came out as EA did a great job improving the Mega CD version of NHL Hockey, Fifa and Bill.

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Or too bad that Joe Montana CD didn't have the gameplay to back up the graphics . . . and the commentary was off too. (FIFA quality FMV cutscenes/intro would have been nice ;))

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yes they should have been dual releases for both cart and CD games.

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Yes, including some retro-active releases (including Sonic 1, or a Sonic 1+2 compilation -maybe spindash in sonic 1 ;)) . . . and doing many with rather minimalistic enhancements would be a safer bet that would take less resources and risk starving cart game development too. (ie if the CD still failed to get really big, they wouldn't have much compromised their cart games)

Obviously, that would have been most significant in Japan, it was late, but if they could cache in on the likes of NEC's CD-ROM game market, they might have had a chance to really push into a more notable chunk of market share. (pushing a Duo system earlier probably would have helped -in the US too, but more so with a low cost one unlike the CD-X and X'Eye)

They also really should have made Sonic CD pack-in at release. (possibly in addition to other games)

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Or too bad that Joe Montana CD didn't have the gameplay to back up the graphics . . . and the commentary was off too. (FIFA quality FMV cutscenes/intro would have been nice

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Montana should and could have been a lot better in the passing and control area's . The commentary was a Huge problem for the early CD consoles given the slow access and machines not really being able to load game data on the fly .

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Yes, including some retro-active releases

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Imo they should have been dual releases where the Mega Cd version had the benfit of better sound and the odd graphical improvements here and there like in the Mega CD versions of Chuck Rock II, Puggsy ,or just having vastly improved sound effects like in Fifa , Pitfall, MickyMania, Flick made a big difference . SEGA should have done more of this it's self, and it really should have had PS IV on both the Mega CD and Mega Drive.

Other than the scaling/rotation and cd sounds what exactly does the SCD do that a stock Genesis can't do?

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

Other than the scaling/rotation and cd sounds what exactly does the SCD do that a stock Genesis can't do?

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What else should it do? Make coffee?

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

What else should it do? Make coffee?

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Close, you could open a model 1 cd tray and use it to hold your coffee......

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

Other than the scaling/rotation and cd sounds what exactly does the SCD do that a stock Genesis can't do?

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Hold over 600MB of game data/redbook audio. It IS a CD after all. ;)

I think the most powerful sellers would have been CD venues from the already-established, exclusive to semi-exclusive franchises on the Genny:

They got Sonic CD just right, but they should've made more Sonic Games (thankfully, they did Chaotix on the 32X), and they definitely should've made Sega CD exclusives/sequels/spin-offs of:

1. Phantasy Star
2. ToeJam & Earl
3. Vectorman
4. More Sonic games than Sonic CD
5. More Shining Force games than Shining Force CD (since it's just a supped-up version of the Game Gear counterparts).
6. Wonder Boy
7. James Pond
8. Alex Kidd
9. Thunder Force
10. Valis
11. Space Harrier
12. Streets of Rage (an actual sequel or spin off)
13. Splatterhouse
14. Shinobi
15. Out Run
16. Mutant League
17. Another "Strike" sequel or spin-off (how about with more strategy/RPG elements. Perhaps even multi-player).
18. Micro Machines
19. Ecco (Exclussive from the Genny. Not just enhanced).
20. Disney Games (Exclusive ones! Or at least exclussive from the Genesis).

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Originally Posted by QuickSciFi

I think the most powerful sellers would have been CD venues from the already-established, exclusive to semi-exclusive franchises on the Genny:

2. ToeJam & Earl

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= ToeJam & Earl, Bong Attack

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

Montana should and could have been a lot better in the passing and control area's . The commentary was a Huge problem for the early CD consoles given the slow access and machines not really being able to load game data on the fly .

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The PCE CD was far more primitive and painful to deal with, yet quite a few games did some tricky on the fly loading anyway. ;)
All multimedia (FMV and non CD-DA streaming audio) has to deal with that too, though not usually in-game. (except for "FMV" games, including some conventional games overlaid with streaming graphics -CD-DA is totally handled by the CD chipset, but anything else has to be supervised by the sub-CPU)

But, yes, that would still be a bit tricky . . . Clockwork should have been among those to be capable of it though. (the sheer sub-CPU overhead associated with on the fly loading would be a problem though, and might cause slowdown -the ASIC has to be constantly managed by the CPU for drawing command, and that game is constantly using the ASIC for rendering -so any dip in CPU resource could mean a dip in rendering performance -assuming that was the limiting factor and not MD VDP bandwidth)

On top of that, you wouldn't even need to do any on the fly loading if all commentary was done as red book CD-DA. (just buffer all the SFX and graphics data into RAM between levels/plays and use CD-DA for commentary -lag from seek time to an audio track would be a virtual non-issue, so the only other factor would be working within the CD capacities)

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Imo they should have been dual releases where the Mega Cd version had the benfit of better sound and the odd graphical improvements here and there like in the Mega CD versions of Chuck Rock II, Puggsy ,or just having vastly improved sound effects like in Fifa , Pitfall, MickyMania, Flick made a big difference . SEGA should have done more of this it's self, and it really should have had PS IV on both the Mega CD and Mega Drive.

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Being better in general would be good too, but having lots of games either way (at least as good as the cart version) and at much lower prices would have been huge. (especially in the still price-sensitive European market -the often pushed argument for computer gaming was the cheaper game prices ;))
Games with more minimalistic enhancements could be more grounds for compilations, or simply cheaper standalone releases in general. (while heavily upgraded games -ie significantly beyond an enhanced intro and added soundtrack- could be priced a bit higher but should still have been lower than cart -like the price gap between new PSX games and N64 contemporaries)

Trying to get 3rd parties to follow suit would have been great, and pushing that philosophy in-house obviously would have helped their case.

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

Other than the scaling/rotation and cd sounds what exactly does the SCD do that a stock Genesis can't do?

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Hold over 600MB of game data/redbook audio. It IS a CD after all. ;)

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Well over 500 MB (~550 MB for mode 1 data) for the early low density CD-ROMs they were often using . . . though red book would still be over 600 MB (or mode 2 data for some FMV or custom formatted PCM stuff -you'd want mode 1 for any "normal" game data/code).

And, of course, perhaps its biggest advantage (and the PCE CD) is the much lower cost, lower risk (for publishing/manufacturing) media in general.

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Originally Posted by QuickSciFi

I think the most powerful sellers would have been CD venues from the already-established, exclusive to semi-exclusive franchises on the Genny:

They got Sonic CD just right, but they should've made more Sonic Games (thankfully, they did Chaotix on the 32X), and they definitely should've made Sega CD exclusives/sequels/spin-offs of:

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That would have been nice, but it already did get a lot of exclusives (just less so for spin-offs).

More important than that would have just been plain old ports, and LOTS of them. (I mean push for near every single game published on cart to be on CD at a lower price and probably with at least modest upgrade -CD DA or whatnot- and certain games with more substantial upgrades)
Again, that could/should have been a HUGE selling point for the CD (cheaper, nominally equal or better games at much lower prices allowing the system to pay for itself), and (unlike the CD-ROM2, or even Super CD) it had enough RAM to pull off the vast majority of the MD's library without cuts (but with load times, obviously), and potential to add MORE to quite a few games that cater to segmented loads.
That could range from single releases to compilations and special editions. (like Sonic1+2 with spindash in Sonic 1 ;))

Focusing on pure cross-platform games also limits risk while still giving a high volume of games to make the CD a good value, but not compromise the cart library significantly. (which could have ruined Sega if CD still failed to catch-on -imagine if Sega had managed to pull off a transition to CD in Japan like NEC did, and limit a huge portion of their library to CD only releases with still weak sales of the CD in the west and without ports of CD games to cart)

And then you have the scaling arcade games (both ones released on the MD, and others that weren't) that really should have been pushed on the CD too.
Demo discs would have been a great marketing technique to employ, and better pack-ins were really needed too. (perhaps a mix of one or 2 games and demo discs -and Sonic CD definitely should have been made pack-in ASAP -regardless of the game itself -which is OK at the very least, Sonic sold, and that's what really mattered ;))


Advertising to back that all up would have been necessary, of course. (and better balanced FMV/multimedia emphasis with other genres/selling points)

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But, yes, that would still be a bit tricky . . . Clockwork should have been among those to be capable of it though

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The Team looked in to it, but CD access was too slow to load sound data in on the fly that could match what was happing on the screen In-game, Only with programmes like ADX much faster CD drivers (where you could handle multi streams) could you do it, even EA had issues at the start with FIFA (where it was all loaded in to system Ram)

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On top of that, you wouldn't even need to do any on the fly loading if all commentary was done as red book CD-DA.

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CD access not fast enough, Play Sensible soccer and see the delay in the sound while the Mega CD tries to access the right track.. SEGA did use that trick with NBA action on the Saturn though.

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especially in the still price-sensitive European market -the often pushed argument for computer gaming was the cheaper game prices

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Spare me your wind up bullcrap. PC were expensive in all area's of the world , even inthe USA (or do you need to start another Topic asking about PC prices in the 90's ).

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Trying to get 3rd parties to follow suit would have been great,

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? 3rd parties led the way, with Pitfall, Out Of this World, Fifa, NHL Hockey, Sensible Soccer, Billwalsh, Chuck Rock, Son Of Chuck, Puggsy, Mickey Mania, Cliffhanger, Flink, Flashback, Eartworm Jim, Lethal Enforcers all being improved over their Cart Counter parts on the Mega CD and lot of those games came in £5 cheaper too

What did we get from SEGA ? Batman Returns , Ecco 1 and II 9which sound the power a CD track could add) and classic Collection . No instead SOA blew million on the FMV route and SOJ just didn't seem to care

Really, like Kool_Kitty said CD and Cart versions should have been simultaneously released, lots of opportunities there for compilations and extras, which could be emphasised to the public along with there cost. Games like the much vaunted Sonic 3 & Knuckles (i.e a complete version) could have been attractive for the Mega/Sega CD, cheaper than a single cart and even cheaper than both S3 + S&K seperatly.

Perhaps had Sega had a better game plan, using this method of dual releases to improve the market for the Mega/Sega CD instead of the misstep of the 32X they could have released a low cost Megadrive and Sega CD all in one unit (far cheaper than the CDX/Multi-Mega) in 94'. Attractive to new buyers due to a strong line up of CD titles, and cost reduce the older Seperate SCD2 unit.

From then on Sega could have really pushed the SCD/MCD as a budget system, differentiated enough from the Saturn and enjoying healthier margins from software. Cheaper CD cost may have made it more attractive to smaller publishers and dev teams. From that logic, the Saturn would be the bleeding edge 'high end' system initially that gets cheaper and you have a healthy budget system different enough from the Saturn that could last well into 97' or pushing it 98' in a duo form.

Thats just my hypothesis anyway.

Some sort of SF2 game surely? Or maybe Lemmings with oh no more lemmings added in.

Talking about slow CD-ROM speeds... That made me think about when my dad wanted to get me a computer for the following Christmas... And we were discussing it. He said, "Why can't you just use the Sega CD as your CD-ROM drive, so I don't have to buy a computer with one in it. It would save me a lot of money" hehe.... What a MOD that would be!!!

Edit: Sorry so off topic!! :|