Disney games

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Originally Posted by StarMist

Aladdin's control is flawless. The slide and loose-kneed movement are by design and further the gameplay. Aladdin's an easy 1LC. I don't generally know who leaves what company to make what elsewhere, but I'd guess many of the same folk worked on Pitfall MA, as its controls and many of its mechanics are identical to Aladdin's; it also controls flawlessly, though its irritating boss pushes it out of easy 1LC range (for me).
Aladdin's technical fault is that his sprite is way too far forward in the screen. At least 25%, but I'd preferably have 40% more screen scrolling ahead.
Lion King's control isn't bad, rather, every kind of detection is, including the (?) ledge-box--I don't know the term for this, but I mean the furthest point you can move and jump from on a given platform: when these are poor you tend to run off the platform and fall before actuating your jump. Not only does this sort of missed jump occur in LK, but more often a failure to grip ledges Simba has to catch hold of (the infamous hippopotami tails being an instance of this).
Mickey Mania's control faults are in different areas; his only similarity to Aladdin and EWJ is the annoying tendency to fidget every two seconds of idleness. The problems in this game are the early jump-button detection that causes you to jump again after holding the button for a full jump, and the tendency to duck too much, as in Ghouls and Ghosts.
MM sort of throws a spanner in the works, as I was going to suggest the overall quality by game has less to do with whether Virgin/Capcom/whoever made it than with whether it was contemporary with a film release or after the fact. Lion King and Aladdin feel very rushed, probably owing to Disney itself. World of Illusion, though shorter than both, does not at all, as of course EWJ doesn't either despite sharing Aladdin's movement mechanics. LK is subpar; Aladdin's quality would derive from being programmed by the same people who made EWJ. Toy Story, whoever made it, would be another example of a rushed game.
I'm not familiar enough with all the Disney games to compare every one, so I'll leave the idea there.

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So, Aladdin's control is flawless and Pitfall's too? OMG (OMG² for Pitfall).
I think you are one of those guys that use invincible cheats to achieve flawless victories on MKII and still think they are flawless.

Whoever made Toy Story is the same whoever made Mickey Mania... And it was Traveller's Tales.

And, yes, it does matter who made who, my friend. Strider Returns and Sonic Spinball for you...
Also, you would never have an EWJ if it was from another gang... They were already experienced with GEMS (quite cheaper than diamonds in this case), the called "animotion" technique created by them and many other things that allowed to squeeze those 16-bit machines (mainly Genesis) and push them to the limit.

Skills (for drawing, programming, game design...) count but skills+experience with the same hardware and development tools are definitive to have a game that is good in every single aspect.
Sometimes you can say that this or that game was "rushed", but maybe it was just that other companies or development teams were better and could do similar games much better within the same schedule.

Traveller's Tales had a very deep knowledge about Genesis hardware, so every game by them that was cross-platform was better on Genesis. Mickey Mania and Toy Story, just compare with their SNES versions...
Mickey Mania inherited the control flaws of Puggsy engine (no, it's not a V8 or something...).

And, no, not a single member of Aladdin's team worked on Pitfall MA.
Feels like your sensitive skills are lacking, 'cause visuals, sounds and controls of these two games are very different.
Pitfall MA, as many other platformers then, just TRIED to copy some Virgin's Aladdin elements (fluid animation mainly) 'cause the later was a landmark for its time.



Some people believe in the evolution of the humankind by knowledge, using things like libraries, databases and research to improve their thoughts and write rationale statements.
Others prefer to ignore all things, building their knowledge by guesswork and keep failing...

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Originally Posted by agostinhobaroners

{{Bullshit}}

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Great, I log in to check my messages only to find I have to stamp out a greasefire.
Yes, Aladdin's and PMA's control is flawless. No, I never cheated at them: Pitfall's of average difficulty, and Aladdin's almost as easy as a game can be whilst still entertaining--World of Illusion being the superlative. Just how much do you suck?

I never said it didn't matter who made "who", presumably meaning 'what'--unless your shabby thinking was fueled by ACDC.

You missed the point of the 'rushed' statement, to repeat which was that those games made for more or less simultaneous or coat-tails release with a film were less finished than those independent of films. Had you actually comprehended my drift you might have confuted it with, say, the example of Fantasia, but you were evidently more concerned with pissing into the wind. Nonetheless, Toy Story is altogether rushed, a shabby game; LK and Aladdin are rushed in other areas, particularly their events: I no longer recall the films' exact sequences, but you with your thirst for research can dig them up and expose the discrepancies betwixt their plotlines and the games'. LK's poor ledge recognition and Aladdin's severely far forward scrolling are the technical evidence of being rushed.

I never mentioned nor am interested in the SNES versions of these games.

The guess about Aladdin's and PMA's crews derived from solid observation: they have exactly the same control. The same gather and speed, the same jump height, the same mechanic and motion for throwing apples or slinging stones, the same slide (with the same pother effect), the same pelvic wiggle when stopping, the same stylised health bar that confuses inept players (yes, the alligator encroaches on your Harry's icon at exactly the same intervals the smoke from Aladdin's lamp diminishes), the same ledge grab, &c &c.

Some people believe in lots of bullshit of every kind. Instead of blindly digging up pseudotechnical trivia and production logs why not spend a little time playing the games?

Who knows, if you practise enough you just might beat Aladdin.
Or there's always the Game Genie.

Love how you wrote all this cause of one word :P

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Originally Posted by StarMist

Great, I log in to check my messages only to find I have to stamp out a greasefire.
Yes, Aladdin's and PMA's control is flawless. No, I never cheated at them: Pitfall's of average difficulty, and Aladdin's almost as easy as a game can be whilst still entertaining--World of Illusion being the superlative. Just how much do you suck?

I never said it didn't matter who made "who", presumably meaning 'what'--unless your shabby thinking was fueled by ACDC.

You missed the point of the 'rushed' statement, to repeat which was that those games made for more or less simultaneous or coat-tails release with a film were less finished than those independent of films. Had you actually comprehended my drift you might have confuted it with, say, the example of Fantasia, but you were evidently more concerned with pissing into the wind. Nonetheless, Toy Story is altogether rushed, a shabby game; LK and Aladdin are rushed in other areas, particularly their events: I no longer recall the films' exact sequences, but you with your thirst for research can dig them up and expose the discrepancies betwixt their plotlines and the games'. LK's poor ledge recognition and Aladdin's severely far forward scrolling are the technical evidence of being rushed.

I never mentioned nor am interested in the SNES versions of these games.

The guess about Aladdin's and PMA's crews derived from solid observation: they have exactly the same control. The same gather and speed, the same jump height, the same mechanic and motion for throwing apples or slinging stones, the same slide (with the same pother effect), the same pelvic wiggle when stopping, the same stylised health bar that confuses inept players (yes, the alligator encroaches on your Harry's icon at exactly the same intervals the smoke from Aladdin's lamp diminishes), the same ledge grab, &c &c.

Some people believe in lots of bullshit of every kind. Instead of blindly digging up pseudotechnical trivia and production logs why not spend a little time playing the games?

Who knows, if you practise enough you just might beat Aladdin.
Or there's always the Game Genie.

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Yep, that was ACDC. "Who made who" is one of my favorites.

lol at people getting fired up over disney games released over 15 years ago

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Originally Posted by snotmaw

lol at people getting fired up over disney games released over 15 years ago

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GRRRAAAAARRGGHHHH!!!!!!!

Aladdin and Mickeymania are very good, really also love those 2, lion king and jungle book are also nice, but I´ll still put them behind the 3 classic sega disney titles, they just came out earlier, have wonderfull playability and that magic disney feel to them, and are also exclusives.

Too bad I can´t say the same about Fantasia...a real let down, just really greatfull I tested before thinking of buying it back in the day, bought it recently just for collection purposes and gave it a go...but still a no go, capcom disney games are better...and that´s saying something:D

Sorry to revive this thread, but I've a question I want to ask for years: which studio made the "Disney-Sega" games (Castle of illusion, Quackshot, World of Illusion)? I only know it's an internal studio of SOJ but I don't know which one.

By the way, after some little research on Usenet, I've read Quackshot has been released in North America a few days/weeks before hitting the shelves in Japan. Does anybody knows something about that?

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Originally Posted by Curryman123

I will do that soon. Anyways, Now you know how I feel when people refer to great games like Super mario World, DKC 1-3, and Yoshi's Island as tosh.

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I grew up on Nintendo, but never really cared for most of the Mario games . . . I tried playing them a fair bit (given how common they were -including playing several at freinds' houses or borrowing them -since we only had the 1st NES game), that's not to say they're not good games, just not my kind of platformer.
Yoshi's Island is different though, the baby mario mechanics make it much more forgiving (more like Sonic with rings -unlike very limited hits as in typical 2D mario games and many other platformers), it's not an easy game either, but it ends up feeling easier to me due to the lack of frustrating deaths. (the overall art, gameplay, music, and level design are all great too . . . I think Sonic 3&K is the only other platform game of that era to come clone in my personal preference) Several other games I had much more fun watching others play than playing myself. ;)

And as to the "forgiving" aspects: rings andbaby mario are generally more forgiving than even a standard life bar (like Mega Man, etc) since you can re-collect lost rings and mario rather than just getting health eaten away. (I find mario generally more forgiving than rings though, especially since it eventually gets to a point where you're likely to lose the last ring and there's no more to collect for the rest of the stage -especially just before a boss fight)
Having saves and infinite continues are also big parts of that. (being forced to replay large sections of a game is not what I consider a good challenge . . . it's just tedious and annoying most of the time)

DKC 1 and 2 I liked a fair bit, though (like many other 2D platformers with similar mechanics) I'm not especially good at it (though I fared better than most 2D mario games for some reason). I really like the art and music too, 2 is probably better by a fair margin . . . not sure about 3. (haven't played it much and don't own it, but I know it usually gets pegged as worse than the other 2)

The in-house studio who developed those 3 titles was known as AM7.

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Originally Posted by snotmaw

lol at people getting fired up over disney games released over 15 years ago

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I'd expect this towards anything published by Flying Edge. Can't say I had happy experiences with many of those games.