The Onlive Thread

Now many of you have already heard of this new so call game console, but do you really think it has a chance to make it big? I mean, having to only download games rather than buying the game itself in stores is a big step in the gaming community for them. I'm sorry but I really hope this doesn't make it big cause I really prefer GOING OUT to by the games rather than just fully sitting back and downloading everything, I just consider it a whole new level of laziness. You won't have that feeling of buying the last copy of a a game than being sold out to the rest, kinda made you feel a bit better than them lol. Plus can you even let your friends borrow your downloaded games? I just see so many flaws to this system and prefer having to actually physically buy the game than forever downloading them. Also, if your internet goes out, your screwed on buying your games from olive till you get it back up.

What do you think?

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I have the PC program. It works very well, but I'm just not interested in paying for streaming content. I don't even like Steam.

Onlive is a great service. You can play the PC version running at all its highest setting max on any PC regardless of specs. Shit you can even play on macs or that stand alone system thing they make. Will it take off? Probably not but, its not because the company makes a bad product its because they're not a big enough company to push the concept. Im extremely pissed at EA for pulling out before sighing a contract. It was a big deal to have EA on board. Ever since they lost EA its big a big struggle for them.

The thing that you're over looking is cost of running these pc games too. You say you'd rather go out and buy them.

1) You don't even download these games you instantly start playing them the minute the come out. This is the fast and most instant way to get a game.

2) The cost of the hardware it takes. These are pc versions at their highest settings. When it had crysis up there you'd have to have around at least a $800 gaming centric pc to run it.

3) Access all of your save files from ANYWHERE. If someone has a MAC/PC or the onlive system you can go over to their house and continue playing your save game

4) As pc hardware gets better and graphics get better you get to enjoy them. You don't have to become outdated like consoles or pc. You will always have the top of the line best version of the PC game is.

There really is no disadvantage to the system except game selection.

Well given the fact that we still have a terrible infrastrucutre system here, I highly doubt anything liek this will take off anytiem soon.

This is the future of gaming, whether you like it or not.

More and more games today require you to be permanently on-line in order to access features or even to be able to play at all, so I doubt that your supposed lack of infrastructure plays a very large part.

While it may be possible that digital downloading is the future, it hasn't really taken over completely. If I were Onlive, I would have waited until around 2016 to launch their services, they would probably do a lot better.

If onlive was Microsoft it would be kicking ass already. Plus they could sell their console at $300 even though the onlive home console iis $40 worth of hardware. It will always have the best graphics technology can push because you're not playing it on your console. Its who's pushing it not what it is that keeping it from being huge. Also this isnt digital download. This is a step above this. You don't even download the game. You dont even own a digital copy of what you buy. Your paying for bandwidth.

No actual ownership = the end of the road for me. I just can't do that to myself. Cry all you want Clessy, but it's called an opinion.

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Originally Posted by Guntz

No actual ownership = the end of the road for me. I just can't do that to myself. Cry all you want Clessy, but it's called an opinion.

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I guess it's the end of the road for me too. I'm just a "Tangible" guy.

Well don't worry guys you have at least 1 more console generation before this happens to everything. Its only completely consumd phones right now. The next generation of handhelds after vita and 3ds will definitely be download only.

If they provided you guys an option to buy a box and save your digital copy to a flash drive would that solve the issue?

The kids of this today well never know the feeling of unwrapping your Christmas gifts and seeing that YOU got a copy of super metroid or contra hard corps. No, there future well be on downloading games only T_T.

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Originally Posted by Thunderblaze16

The kids of this today well never know the feeling of unwrapping your Christmas gifts and seeing that YOU got a coy of super metroid or contra hard corps. No, there future well be on downloading games only T_T.

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Reading that almost brought a tear to my eye. You're right, unwrapping games on Christmas was a wonderful thing. I'll never forget the Christmas morning I unwrapped my brand new Gunstar Heroes when I was only 7 years old, and I still have it today.

@Clessy: While it wouldn't feel the same, I guess it would be better than nothing. Of course, it wouldn't effect me, as I only really play old games for the most part.

Zeeboo is cooler than this.

Yeah, maybe a box, manual and flash drive with the game's artwork on it would be nice for limited edition releases. It'd be better than nothing definitely.

Sad thing is though, under digital distribution, I don't think ANY company would bother doing that. It would cost too much money.

I would still play next generation games as long as my friends and family do, but I'll never own a digital distribution console.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

Well don't worry guys you have at least 1 more console generation before this happens to everything. Its only completely consumd phones right now. The next generation of handhelds after vita and 3ds will definitely be download only.

If they provided you guys an option to buy a box and save your digital copy to a flash drive would that solve the issue?

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Over half of the users on HD consoles are not even connecting it to the internets, and of the ones that do many are not doing it often. I am fairly sure developers prefer the idea of actually selling games over packaging costs, especially when you bundle in 150 dollars worth of plastic toys.

I think digital is the way to go. Companies should sell art books, figures and other things of that nature. A plastic case and notes telling me the controls is hardly worth having anymore. Especially since games arent cool carts anymore and just cds.

Yeah, DRM is fun. Good idea.

This would be useful to me if I wasn't a super cool guy with an awesome super cool PC that can run just about any game, but I am a super cool guy with an awesome super cool PC so I don't need this silly OnLive thingimiwhats! And the super cool PC only cost me $700! ;)

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Originally Posted by Clessy

Well don't worry guys you have at least 1 more console generation before this happens to everything. Its only completely consumd phones right now. The next generation of handhelds after vita and 3ds will definitely be download only.

If they provided you guys an option to buy a box and save your digital copy to a flash drive would that solve the issue?

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Didn't Sony try that with the PSP Go? And how did that rurn out?

I've used Onlive a bit on PC, and even on my modest internet connection it works very well. When I first heard about it I was all, "LOL this sucks!" until I actually used it. I use it mostly like a perpetual rental service. Games that I really love and want to own I buy on 360, but stuff I only want to play through once or would otherwise rent I play on Onlive. They have 30 minute demos of most games, and are constantly running specials to make pretty new games cheap as hell. I'd get the microconsole and more games, but it doesn't work with a SDTV.

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

Didn't Sony try that with the PSP Go? And how did that rurn out?

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It failed because it wasnt a new system. It was a psp with 1/5 the ammount of games. Had the psp only came in go form it would of done fine. But giving you a psp that cant play more than 4/5 of the system library is beyond stupid. Shit games still come out that don't have a download version. So you're constantly missing out on titles. Sony handling that pathetically is why that didnt go over.

I'd rather slam my dick in the fridge door than support Onlive. If it takes off, it will be the worst thing to happen to gaming since 1983.

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

Didn't Sony try that with the PSP Go? And how did that rurn out?

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How did that turn out? lol, I completely forgot about the PSP Go.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

It failed because it wasnt a new system. It was a psp with 1/5 the ammount of games. Had the psp only came in go form it would of done fine. But giving you a psp that cant play more than 4/5 of the system library is beyond stupid. Shit games still come out that don't have a download version. So you're constantly missing out on titles. Sony handling that pathetically is why that didnt go over.

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Not to mention, how would a friend borrow your game for a couple of days like this?

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Originally Posted by Thunderblaze16

How did that turn out? lol, I completely forgot about the PSP Go.

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I guess you could say it didn't "Go" well.:p

The PSPGo bombed horribly. Even a quick google search will prove it.

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Originally Posted by Thunderblaze16

How did that turn out? lol, I completely forgot about the PSP Go.



Not to mention, how would a friend borrow your game for a couple of days like this?

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You don't borrow games and you really shouldnt its just another forum of piracy which you guys are all apparently not for.

With services like onlive you can instantly demo a game and normally get to play a very good amount of the game an try all its features. This normally includes a little bit of al the modes or the full game but limited to only 1 hour of play. If you like it you buy it.

Onlive lets you play unlimited games on their service every month for a set price or you buy the game in full. Its as cheap as gamefly is way better.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

You don't borrow games and you really shouldnt its just another forum of piracy which you guys are all apparently not for.

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That line of thinking has been perpetuated by game companies to further rationalize their retarded DRM. I thought you pro-piracy guys didn't like the big bad companies telling you what to do? Now you're believing their own words?

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Originally Posted by Guntz

That line of thinking has been perpetuated by game companies to further rationalize their retarded DRM. I thought you pro-piracy guys didn't like the big bad companies telling you what to do? Now you're believing their own words?

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Mhh no you still didnt get what I said in that thread. If you cant buy a game new you might as well steal it is what I was saying the whole time. Because no money is going to the devoloper anyways and there is no point in giving some assshole money for second hand goods. There is no DRM onlive. Doesnt even fucking make any sense. How would you have a DRM to something that you stream content from anyways? Do you even know what onlive does?

Onlive is pretty much a series of super computers playing multiple copies of a game at once. You then content to that PC via your device. It captures the game and send it to your computer as a high quality video feed( 720p / 1080p ). Alll your device is doing is working as keyboard for the computer you're connected to. That way any device as long as you have decent internet can play the game at its absolute highest settings with butter smooth frame rate and max graphic settings.

I honestly think the people who don't like this service arent educated at all about it. Its the ultimate rental service and probably the most convenant way to play games.

You want a game. You Sign into onlive and hit play. Thats it.

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Mhh no you still didnt get what I said in that thread. If you cant buy a game new you might as well steal it is what I was saying the whole time. Because no money is going to the devoloper anyways and there is no point in giving some assshole money for second hand goods. There is no DRM onlive. Doesnt even fucking make any sense. How would you have a DRM to something that you stream content from anyways? Do you even know what onlive does?

Onlive is pretty much a series of super computers playing multiple copies of a game at once. You then content to that PC via your device. It captures the game and send it to your computer as a high quality video feed( 720p / 1080p ). Alll your device is doing is working as keyboard for the computer you're connected to. That way any device as long as you have decent internet can play the game at its absolute highest settings with butter smooth frame rate and max graphic settings.

I honestly think the people who don't like this service arent educated at all about it. Its the ultimate rental service and probably the most convenant way to play games.

You want a game. You Sign into onlive and hit play. Thats it.

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Second hand goods may seem useless to you, but there will always be collectors. And having boxed games on the shelf to brag about is part of the fun.

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Originally Posted by eddiespruce

Second hand goods may seem useless to you, but there will always be collectors. And having boxed games on the shelf to brag about is part of the fun.

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Yes but, what "second hand collectors" need to realize is they are no more useful than pirates. Neither one gives the company that made your product any money.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

Yes but, what "second hand collectors" need to realize is they are no more useful than pirates. Neither one gives the company that made your product any money.

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But the companies already made profit when the games were sold retail. Don't you have a game collection yourself? And don't you enjoy playing those games on the real hardware?

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Originally Posted by eddiespruce

But the companies already made profit when the games were sold retail. Don't you have a game collection yourself? And don't you enjoy playing those games on the real hardware?

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Yes I have a game collection. My biggest collection is my 360 collection actually. I don't prefer using real hardware on anything non hd. Systems of the past should be left there. Sure I can mod those systems to have a decent output like component but, in all seriousness a genesis with component will never look as good as a emulator with the option of tons of filters for everyones preference and pure rgb.(yes scart can do rgb but i love HQX4 filters for hdtvs). Also I've been buying all my games new since I was super young. Talking snes/genesis era. I buy second hand stuff mostly to re have it. I've bought almost every Squaresoft game brand new when it came out. Ive given the companies their money. I try not to buy something second hand unless I have to because I know its useless. In fact most of the time Im trying to convince myself just to pirate things that cant be bought new anymore. No point to be a fucking hoarder, you cant take it with you when you're gone.

To each their own, emulation will never beat real hardware. I went over to a friend's house several months ago, and his sister was playing Sonic 3 on her 360, and during a boss battle, an instrument was missing from the music. Sorry, but for me, it's perfection, or nothing. Don't you miss the feel of the Genesis controller? The 360 can't replace that.

Vintage games were made to be played on a good old CRT at it's native resolution. You can't have the same appreciation for the old games like many of us here. I'm not going to argue, you can go play your emulated games, but the rest of us who spend our hard earned dollars on a great CIB game, like my copy of "Pulseman", know the real joy of being a collector.:)

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Originally Posted by eddiespruce

To each their own, emulation will never beat real hardware. I went over to a friend's house several months ago, and his sister was playing Sonic 3 on her 360, and during a boss battle, an instrument was missing from the music. Sorry, but for me, it's perfection, or nothing. Don't you miss the feel of the Genesis controller? The 360 can't replace that.

Vintage games were made to be played on a good old CRT at it's native resolution. You can't have the same appreciation for the old games like many of us here. I'm not going to argue, you can go play your emulated games, but the rest of us who spend our hard earned dollars on a great CIB game, like my copy of "Pulseman", know the real joy of being a collector.:)

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I have real hardware im just way more realistic than most of you guys. Enjoy you 20" crt while it last they wont forever. I've got 34" hd crt and i've had serveral plasma and lcd. You gotta keep with the times. Also there is such thing as good emulation just because you think all emulators suck thats your deal.

Being a collector is about stroking your own ego and having something to blow your money on. We have have our vixes. They're car guys, collectors, videophiles, audio guys etc.

Im not saying that you do is stupid to you but, just like all of those hobbies is just really something to waste time and money on to entertain and amuse you. Nothing more and nothing less.

PS: On your native resolution bullshit. Most consoles run at a even lower resolution than a basic crt. It would be near impossible to find something that runs pre 32bit console in a native resolution.

In my not so humble opinion the only way Onlive can survive is as a console. PC gaming enthusiasts will turn up their nose at the lag and streaming artifacts. The smart money is on parents who don't want to pay for Little Timmys piracy/porn induced malware infections. Oh, and the constant upgrading to keep pace with Crysis in my Pants 3.

You know, it's people just like you, more interested in "keeping up with the times" than doing what you really enjoy, that causes the vintage scene to collapse. If nobody is buying old games, they will lose value. Pretty soon they won't be worth anything, afterwords you'd hear a lot more about e-cycling vintage hardware and games.

Do you honestly think ANY "step forward" is a good step? Look at the auto industry. I hardly know any serious car enthusiast who has a recently made car. Almost all of them choose to go with older models and builds. Maybe to you it's out of preference or stupidity, but what they say (usually) is new cars aren't built as well, made with too many proprietary and expensive parts are rely too heavily on electronics. That's not a whiny complaint, it's perfectly understandable. I for one wouldn't want to own a car that would cost more to fix than to just buy a new one. That's ridiculous.

But going back to the topic of vintage hardware, what makes me stand up for it the most is seeing all sorts of intelligent and skilled people fixing and modding hardware. The big one though, is repairs. It makes me so happy to see people doing that with old hardware that most people don't care about, so happy it makes me want to join in the effort too. Nobody should drop interest in something just because it's "not convenient" or "isn't keeping up with the times". That's how we end up with e-cycling centers, because the masses are too heavily trained to instantly forget about anything old and always stay ahead of the curve. It's wasteful to see useful hardware and games go to waste. I mean, the machine I'm posting on right now, is a "decrepit and old" Pentium 4 (2.4GHz), with an NVidia GeForce 4200Ti running Windows 98SE. Why do I have such a worthless piece of junk? Because it's the absolute easiest way to play games designed to work on Windows 9x OSes. There's no need to jerk around with patches, administration locks, file system conflicts and all that other lovely stuff. Just boot the old PC up and I can get to playing Jedi Knight, or Serious Sam, or heck even a little MS-DOS gaming too. My sound card can playback General MIDI pretty good. I also have an eMac G4 (yes, eMac, look it up). This might be hard to believe, but use it for gaming as well. It runs Mac OS 9.2.2 and Mac OS 10.4.11, both on bare metal. Just that alone means I have access to a ridiculously huge library of software, games or not. It's such a nice computer, sure glad I didn't let it get e-cycled. :D

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Originally Posted by Guntz

You know, it's people just like you, more interested in "keeping up with the times" than doing what you really enjoy, that causes the vintage scene to collapse. If nobody is buying old games, they will lose value. Pretty soon they won't be worth anything, afterwords you'd hear a lot more about e-cycling vintage hardware and games.

Do you honestly think ANY "step forward" is a good step? Look at the auto industry. I hardly know any serious car enthusiast who has a recently made car. Almost all of them choose to go with older models and builds. Maybe to you it's out of preference or stupidity, but what they say (usually) is new cars aren't built as well, made with too many proprietary and expensive parts are rely too heavily on electronics. That's not a whiny complaint, it's perfectly understandable. I for one wouldn't want to own a car that would cost more to fix than to just buy a new one. That's ridiculous.

But going back to the topic of vintage hardware, what makes me stand up for it the most is seeing all sorts of intelligent and skilled people fixing and modding hardware. The big one though, is repairs. It makes me so happy to see people doing that with old hardware that most people don't care about, so happy it makes me want to join in the effort too. Nobody should drop interest in something just because it's "not convenient" or "isn't keeping up with the times". That's how we end up with e-cycling centers, because the masses are too heavily trained to instantly forget about anything old and always stay ahead of the curve. It's wasteful to see useful hardware and games go to waste. I mean, the machine I'm posting on right now, is a "decrepit and old" Pentium 4 (2.4GHz), with an NVidia GeForce 4200Ti running Windows 98SE. Why do I have such a worthless piece of junk? Because it's the absolute easiest way to play games designed to work on Windows 9x OSes. There's no need to jerk around with patches, administration locks, file system conflicts and all that other lovely stuff. Just boot the old PC up and I can get to playing Jedi Knight, or Serious Sam, or heck even a little MS-DOS gaming too. My sound card can playback General MIDI pretty good. I also have an eMac G4 (yes, eMac, look it up). This might be hard to believe, but use it for gaming as well. It runs Mac OS 9.2.2 and Mac OS 10.4.11, both on bare metal. Just that alone means I have access to a ridiculously huge library of software, games or not. It's such a nice computer, sure glad I didn't let it get e-cycled. :D

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*You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Guntz again*

Great speech, Guntz. It's nice to know there's people around who care for and appreciate old games, computers, etc. I too, have a computer that runs Windows 98SE, and I know exactly what you're talking about. Maybe it's just me, but I personally think Clessy just enjoys arguing with people.:)

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You know, it's people just like you, more interested in "keeping up with the times" than doing what you really enjoy, that causes the vintage scene to collapse. If nobody is buying old games, they will lose value. Pretty soon they won't be worth anything, afterwords you'd hear a lot more about e-cycling vintage hardware and games.

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Can't fucking wait. Games should never be worth more than there original retail value in the first place.

Also to your car rant. Idiots. New cars break because new cars are more complex. Nothing to do with build quality. Pretty hard for something to fuck up with in a block of steal with 0 safetly requirement or luxury. No power anything? Awesome nothing to break really. No Ac well that cant go wrong then. How about carburators while we're at it. Sure they get like 12 mpg and ruin the enviorment but, they're "built" better I mean they don't break. Im a huge car enthusiast. People use older cars because its easy to do it yourself and, its a fuck ton cheaper.

You're also loosing out by not keeping up. Anyone who truly thinks a CRT is the best its ever gonna get it our of their mind. CRT win for shitter input singles like rf and composite for the most part. However comb filter has advanced worlds. No crt has nearly as good of a comb filter as a current plasma. Brightness and saturation has come a huge way o neither tvs to. Also Lighter weight, less energy consumption, vastly bigger sizes, way more input, and video and audio quality has jumped worlds beyond the past.

Enjoy your older stuff but, enjoy it for what it is the nostalgia. Its not better it's different and nostalgic.

Oh and on the pc comment. I was running a dual cpu pentium 3 1.6ghz per both cpu with 4GB of ram and a 4670AGP. Fucking killer rig old novality tech.

I like retro stuff for novality

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Originally Posted by Clessy

You gotta keep with the times.

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You've got to be fucking kidding me. Are you unaware of where you're posting? Scroll to the top of the page and look at the banner, or crane your neck up a few degrees and you'll see in the URL box that it says SEGA-16. You may not know this, but the 16 means 16-BIT. As in, OLD SHIT. This is a site dedicated to NOT keeping with the times.

I repeat: We do not "keep with the times" here. That's kind of the point.

Well, I think we've all found something here to growl and grunt at.

Bottom line is new technology doesn't suck and old shit is still good shit.

What sucks is how we choose to use it. I recently encountered a high school senior who couldn't get a game to download via steam. Despite tech support they couldn't offer any solution. Sadly, they also refused to refund his money. He accepted this outcome with a playful "I hate you guys! (steam)" comment to sum up the situation to me.

People have gotten so used to cell phone contracts that the concept of owning things is turned into garbage. It's all virtual - including your rights. It's OKAY to use steam and understand it's only temporary. It's NOT OKAY to accept a monthly contract as ownership - especially when companies take things away like an after-school privilege.

Onlive is good like seeing an on-demand movie once. Sega Genesis is good like owning, beating and still playing the heck out of your copy of Gaiares decades later.