Fatal Fury 1 ... Mega/Sega version vs. SNES version

Sure I suppose I can see where that's coming from. Still, a hypothetical person who does engage in blanket unjustified refusal to attempt to use real hardware is going too far. I'm more respectable toward the idea of giving it a fair chance at minimum. Then one can say they have a preference for emulation. ;)

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Originally Posted by lumclaw

Sure I suppose I can see where that's coming from. Still, blanket unjustified refusal to attempt to use real hardware is going too far. I'm more respectable toward the idea of giving it a fair chance at minimum. At least then one can say they have a preference for emulation.

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We've all played on real hardware. I think its the other side of the table who doesnt give emulation a far chance not the other way around.

Lets say I bust out my CDX. First off without modding the system or living in europe the best picture quality im getting is Composite. This looks pretty grainy and shitty on a HDtv. Most normal people have hdtvs now thats just a fact. So im already at a disadvantage on picture clarity for using real hardware. Also if I play a system like say my Neogeo CD I have to deal with insane load times. Play it on a emulator and I have no load times. Using retro hardware on modern systems isnt optimal.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

We've all played on real hardware. I think its the other side of the table who doesnt give emulation a far chance not the other way around.

Lets say I bust out my CDX. First off without modding the system or living in europe the best picture quality im getting is Composite. This looks pretty grainy and shitty on a HDtv. Most normal people have hdtvs now thats just a fact. So im already at a disadvantage on picture clarity for using real hardware. Also if I play a system like say my Neogeo CD I have to deal with insane load times. Play it on a emulator and I have no load times. Using retro hardware on modern systems isnt optimal.

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Wait, you mean you don't have a CRT TV? Where I'm from, everybody still has at least one laying around somewhere.

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Originally Posted by DanceroftheShadows

Since this is one of my favorite games of all time for NeoGeo, I decided to give the home versions a go since I didnt even knew they existed. I thought the home ports started with part 2.

First of all as I mentioned in another topic, the first thing I noticed in the Sega version is the game is actually a bit faster than the Arcade version, but you still must input the joystick motions at a certain pace, not too fast or it wont come out ... smooth daddy-o smooth.

The graphics are awesome (better than Part 2's port)

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...al_Fury001.jpg


The Genesis vesion kept the multi plane system that made the game unique, so right there that is a major plus over the SNES version. Takara also added progressive difficulty, which SNK didnt even start putting in their games untill 1996! There is also more dialouge in this version, seems to have been translated by americans or english speakers. In the arcade game Geese never said he killed Andy and Terrys brother, you had to watch the anime to know this (or own the booklet of the game maybe?)

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...al_Fury004.jpg

I truly love how the game looks, very colorful for a Genesis game. My biggest dissappointment was the removal of the train in Duck Kings background.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...al_Fury000.jpg

For the cons, two mini bosses were removed (and their stages) yet the characters included in the background for some reason (maybe the porters ran out of space on the cart or time?). The tips on how to do moves between levels are gone and instead of fighting those two bosses you fight Andy and Joe instead (your buddies). The only mini boss you do fight before geese is a beefed up Raiden! He seems tougher than he did in the arcade!

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...al_Fury002.jpg

What I love most is how they kept Geese's weakness the same as the arcade, just get up close to him and throw his bitch ass.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...al_Fury006.jpg

They censored the part where Geese gets thrown off the building, strange considering its a Sega game. Wonder if the japanese home port kept it....

Considering the time of release this game is a 9/10 easy, coming only second to SF2 at the time. (home version of course)

I am now going to play the SNES version and compare notes. I am confident the sega version is better but I didnt get the SNES cart just to look at the artwork. stay posted (btw next I will compare Art of FIghting another all time favorite)

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Filtered sprites...

NOPE.

Yeah it WILL get better as emulators improve accuracy. A game playable to 100% story completion/etc is one thing. The timing close enough to hardware for serious play is another. A few frames off sync between controller input from what's on the screen can mean life or death. Badly written emulators and ones being run on a system not powerful enough, feel "off" to me. When that happens it's not the same silky responsive experience the actual version is.

you know what?
i like the filters
hahaha

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Originally Posted by Kollision

you know what?
i like the filters
hahaha

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Originally Posted by Kollision

you know what?
i like the filters
hahaha

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Don't worry so does everyone else except purist. Why do you think they're an option in every top tier emulator?

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Originally Posted by Clessy

Don't worry so does everyone else except purist. Why do you think they're an option in every top tier emulator?

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That one's great for the backgrounds. Average for characters. Not as good on those tiny portraits.

More control over how much each game element or screen section gets filtered would be awesome.

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Originally Posted by lumclaw

That one's great for the backgrounds. Average for characters. Not as good on those tiny portraits.

More control over how much each game element or screen section gets filtered would be awesome.

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That would be extremely complicated and would require someone to code a filter configure for each game. Dare I say due to the way filters work as a fullscreen effect it would be impossible.

Anyways here some filtering I think looks good and it looks absolutely amazing once its display via tv out on a huge screen (32" or higher). The filtering helps a lot on those bigger screens as im sure these console makers never envisioned people playing their games on screens larger than 17 inches probably.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3614/mm4l.png
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4795/mm1u.png
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3136/mm2c.png
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7640/mm3p.png
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6946/mm5.png

I have to say, that looks awful, and you double-posted.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

We've all played on real hardware. I think its the other side of the table who doesnt give emulation a far chance not the other way around.

Lets say I bust out my CDX. First off without modding the system or living in europe the best picture quality im getting is Composite. This looks pretty grainy and shitty on a HDtv. Most normal people have hdtvs now thats just a fact. So im already at a disadvantage on picture clarity for using real hardware. Also if I play a system like say my Neogeo CD I have to deal with insane load times. Play it on a emulator and I have no load times. Using retro hardware on modern systems isnt optimal.

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To be specific CDX itself doesn't need any mod to exceed composite. An external converter box will fix that on correct TVs. It outputs RGB same as a common model 2. The primary item you should be seeking is a CRT with component input. This allows light gun compatibility unlike most LCD sets, and CRTs better handle low resolutions.

Lack of PAL support is little loss. No PAL game I know about that wasn't also released in Japanese NTSC requires a light gun. An emulator will take care of your PAL needs.

it looks good on big tvs

We don't all have flat screen tv's, and I don't ever want one, that's just my choice. I don't play new games, and I prefer composite video over this new component RGB stuff.