Fatal Fury 1 ... Mega/Sega version vs. SNES version

Since this is one of my favorite games of all time for NeoGeo, I decided to give the home versions a go since I didnt even knew they existed. I thought the home ports started with part 2.

First of all as I mentioned in another topic, the first thing I noticed in the Sega version is the game is actually a bit faster than the Arcade version, but you still must input the joystick motions at a certain pace, not too fast or it wont come out ... smooth daddy-o smooth.

The graphics are awesome (better than Part 2's port)

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...al_Fury001.jpg


The Genesis vesion kept the multi plane system that made the game unique, so right there that is a major plus over the SNES version. Takara also added progressive difficulty, which SNK didnt even start putting in their games untill 1996! There is also more dialouge in this version, seems to have been translated by americans or english speakers. In the arcade game Geese never said he killed Andy and Terrys brother, you had to watch the anime to know this (or own the booklet of the game maybe?)

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...al_Fury004.jpg

I truly love how the game looks, very colorful for a Genesis game. My biggest dissappointment was the removal of the train in Duck Kings background.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...al_Fury000.jpg

For the cons, two mini bosses were removed (and their stages) yet the characters included in the background for some reason (maybe the porters ran out of space on the cart or time?). The tips on how to do moves between levels are gone and instead of fighting those two bosses you fight Andy and Joe instead (your buddies). The only mini boss you do fight before geese is a beefed up Raiden! He seems tougher than he did in the arcade!

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...al_Fury002.jpg

What I love most is how they kept Geese's weakness the same as the arcade, just get up close to him and throw his bitch ass.

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They censored the part where Geese gets thrown off the building, strange considering its a Sega game. Wonder if the japanese home port kept it....

Considering the time of release this game is a 9/10 easy, coming only second to SF2 at the time. (home version of course)

I am now going to play the SNES version and compare notes. I am confident the sega version is better but I didnt get the SNES cart just to look at the artwork. stay posted (btw next I will compare Art of FIghting another all time favorite)

As I said in my review here, a mediocre port, of a mediocre arcade game... IMHO of course.

Fatal Fury was already behind the times when it was first released in 1991, with only three playable characters, one basic and uninteresting ending, and one good gimmick that even SNK didn't use much outside of the main franchise (and then promptly screwed up in Fatal Fury 3 by making the backgrounds tri-tiered). When it came home to the Genesis in 1993, it lost a fair bit. Two stages, two fighters, the backgrounds got simplified more than they really needed to be, and of course, the usual sound losses in terms of effects and voices. Why Takara went with a 12Mbit cart instead of a 16Mbit one is anyone's guess, but the home port took quite a few hits in the end because of that choice.

FF isn't a bad game, but FF2 picked things up nicely, and brought the series into its own (the Genesis port also turned out better). But like Street Fighter before Streets Fighter II, Fatal Fury was a few good ideas in a shell that needed a fair bit of polishing for it to shine. So while I'd give the arcade game about a 6.5, the Genesis version gets a 5. A humble start to a long running SNK franchise (and spinoff... of sorts).

It was released in arcades in 1991 thank you

I actually dislike Fatal Fury 2 in the arcade. Horribly cheap CPU on all characters. Two player game is fun but single player is nearly unplayable. Probably different on the home ports, but I will never even TRY the home ports when I own the Neo version which I only play when a buddy is over.

Fun Fact. Fatal Fury 2 was actually the first SNK fighter with the King of Fighters standard control scheme of two punch and two kick buttons.

God I love SNK

Oops, hit the wrong key. However, everything else still stands. The fact that it was behind in those areas over six months after SF II was released is just... puzzling. Surely someone would have thought, "Oh shit. Um, we need to work on this a little more."

Guess they decided to save the improvements for the sequel.

Well its a little known fact that Fatal Fury was in development at the same time SF2 was

God, please remove the filter next time you make screenshots. They made my eyes bleed.
Anyway, I always liked this version of Fatal Fury. Too bad the omission of Billy Kane (screw Hwa Jai).
And I think the cut in the ending is due to the usual being cheap on genesis with the space.

Well I have to say, I'm not a fan of SNK fighters (Samurai Shodown aside), but if you look at it as a kind of 1on1 Final Fight rather than a direct competitor to one of the most reverered games in history it comes off a lot better. But unfortunately, you can't get around the fact that Street Fighter II was released around the same time.

I own Fatal Fury II on both the SNES and PC Engine CD, and I have to say I don't think it has a lot going for it. And the multi-tiered stages are a gimmick I never really liked. that said, I think II is an improvement over I.

^yes it was an improvement multiplayer wiise

I've never played the Genesis version, but the SNES port was unbelievably hard and difficult to execute moves. As for the original Neo-Geo game it has aged pretty poorly just like most of SNK's early offerings (Ninja Combat, Super Spy, Burning Fight etc.). I can't help comparing it to Street Fighter II where I could just pick up and play and it would still seem as fluid, fresh and challenging as it was in the early 90's.

I breifly tried the SNES version of Fatal Fury, its not even worth beating. The Genesis one is king.


As or the arcade version the game I think is still good, a bit sluggish but just as smooth as SF in my opinion

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Originally Posted by Tor Landeel

God, please remove the filter next time you make screenshots. They made my eyes bleed.

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That was the first thing I thought - the 2xSAI filter is horrible.

In any event, I rather like this game in any form - The Fatal Fury series has always been a guilty pleasure of mine ever since the early 90's and I've taken pride in at least getting to know that universe during a time when Street Fighter II was kicking ass all across the world. Part 1 was a bit simplistic, but part 2 - more specifically, FF Special - was awesome. I think the Genesis and SNES ports were competent enough to get the job done, even if there were little things lost in translation. Still, you can't beat the original versions, and I even have them in various formats around my house (Wii, NESputer) to play at a moments notice, should I get the urge. Good times. :)

The Coop nailed it. Let's see a comparison of the second game.

I like the Fatal Fury 2 conversion a lot. It's very fast, tight controls, not too bad graphics (though a bit inconstant, some stuff looks bad and some very good, and it's a bit blocky). AI is a bit on the cheap side, and uses a lot of specials on the hardest difficulty setting.
If there's something I love about it, though, it's the music. It beats hands down the SNES version.
To tell the truth I would have loved a Fatal Fury Special made by Takara for Genesis (not that crap from Funcom), with full screen action, scoring (why such a cut?), and the missing special moves (like Billy Kane's).

Both are fucking awful. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason to play fighters on genesis/snes. You can easily afford real hardware or get arcade perfect ports on ps2 or other systems.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

Both are fucking awful. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason to play fighters on genesis/snes. You can easily afford real hardware or get arcade perfect ports on ps2 or other systems.

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I absolutely agree. The only exceptions are of course exclusives such as Eternal Champions (LOL) and Yuu Yuu.

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Originally Posted by Olls

I absolutely agree. The only exceptions are of course exclusives such as Eternal Champions (LOL) and Yuu Yuu.

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Even on eternal champions i'd play the CD version instead.

Probably, but it's not worth buying a Sega CD for.

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Originally Posted by DanceroftheShadows

I breifly tried the SNES version of Fatal Fury, its not even worth beating. The Genesis one is king.


As or the arcade version the game I think is still good, a bit sluggish but just as smooth as SF in my opinion

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That's it!?!? That's pathetic. You go into detail about the Genesis port and then promise comparison to the SNES (and I assume arcade too). Then you leave this drivel. No good. You disappoint, man. You disappoint.

PS: Those filters for the captures look super nasty. You have poor tastes in filters :P

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Originally Posted by Clessy

In this day and age there is absolutely no reason to play fighters on genesis/snes.

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I disagree. :p
Both SF IIs on the Gen and the SNES are great fighting games. Responsive controls, excellent to play with friends.
Another great one is TMNT TF on the SNES. And to a lesser extent, MK2.

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Originally Posted by Kollision

I disagree. :p
Both SF IIs on the Gen and the SNES are great fighting games. Responsive controls, excellent to play with friends.
Another great one is TMNT TF on the SNES. And to a lesser extent, MK2.

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Why would you? There are many better versions that are more easily accessible. Unless you absolutely have no other consoles than a Genesis and SNES I see no reason to play these games.
TMNT TF is an NES/GEN/SNES exclusive so that one doesn't count.

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Originally Posted by Olls

Why would you? There are many better versions that are more easily accessible. Unless you absolutely have no other consoles than a Genesis and SNES I see no reason to play these games.
TMNT TF is an NES/GEN/SNES exclusive so that one doesn't count.

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Because this is a retro forum about retro systems (and specifically Sega 16bitter). Not "original arcade only". Ports have their own charm as well as gamers love to play games on their beloved systems, even if it is inferior to the original or later ports. Honestly, this shouldn't really need to be explained IMO. I think the only exception is when a port is pretty bad. At least for me. Or unless I have a fav' port on a different platform and even then.

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Originally Posted by tomaitheous

Because this is a retro forum about retro systems (and specifically Sega 16bitter). Not "original arcade only". Ports have their own charm as well as gamers love to play games on their beloved systems, even if it is inferior to the original or later ports. Honestly, this shouldn't really need to be explained IMO. I think the only exception is when a port is pretty bad. At least for me. Or unless I have a fav' port on a different platform and even then.

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This.

I love Centipede on the 7800, even though I grew up on the arcade classic. Does that make either port more inferior than the other? No, they're both fun in their own right, and both stand on their own merits. The same can be said for multiple arcade releases that found their way home over the years, Street Fighter II included. The Genesis port is a fantastic title that I can pick up and play any time and not be bored. That's not to say I can't toss in the Street Fighter II collection for the Saturn/PS 1 and play SF II Turbo, as that's an excellent game, as well. The point is, is that if the game is designed well, it doesn't matter which system you play it on, so long as you enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

In this day and age there is absolutely no reason to play fighters on genesis/snes. You can easily afford real hardware or get arcade perfect ports on ps2 or other systems.

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Fair enough about the ports, but what do you mean by "real hardware"? Neo Geo isn't affordable, and an arcade cab isn't viable for most people.

Personally I don't own any recent systems (post-Dreamcast) except for the GameCube, mainly because I have enough systems already and have zero interest in most modern gaming styles. I do have a couple of the GameCube arcade collections, but the standard controller sucks for that kind of gaming. MAME seems determined to pull the rug out from under its users at every opportunity, though Neo Geo stuff seems relatively stable.

And even if that weren't true, I like the distinctive feel of consoles, and console ports often retain that feel. Sometimes the port is better than the original, or at least more enjoyable -- despite all its flaws, the Genesis version of Art of Fighting has much more responsive controls than the Neo Geo version.

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Originally Posted by Olls

Why would you? There are many better versions that are more easily accessible.

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Of course there are.
What I meant to say is that SF2 on the MD/SNES is perfectly playable and enjoyable as a real, fun and competitive fighting game. It's not just nostalgia factor because those were my glorious teen days wth 16-bit gaming at its prime (damn I feel old right now).

On the other hand, none of the SNK ports can be considered that good. Gameplay in the SNK ports is mostly broken, or the games lost too much from the original style to be included in the same excellence category as SF2. Well, I never liked them that much in the first place, but that's irrelevant to my point.

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Originally Posted by Kollision

Of course there are.
What I meant to say is that SF2 on the MD/SNES is perfectly playable and enjoyable as a real, fun and competitive fighting game. It's not just nostalgia factor because those were my glorious teen days wth 16-bit gaming at its prime (damn I feel old right now).

On the other hand, none of the SNK ports can be considered that good. Gameplay in the SNK ports is mostly broken, or the games lost too much from the original style to be included in the same excellence category as SF2. Well, I never liked them that much in the first place, but that's irrelevant to my point.

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They're playable yes. But why? You could play it on any system it came out on afterwards and get a better version. You could even play it on other systems like the 3do and still have a better version.

Dude, the point I'm trying to make is that there's nothing wrong with them, they're perfect as they are. Gameplay is spot-on, characters are correctly portrayed, music is nice and the fun factor is unaltered. I can have as much fun with them as with any Saturn/PS2/3DO/360/PS3 port that came later on.

And why?
Because 16-bit gaming kicks ass. That's why we're all here, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Kollision

Dude, the point I'm trying to make is that there's nothing wrong with them, they're perfect as they are. Gameplay is spot-on, characters are correctly portrayed, music is nice and the fun factor is unaltered. I can have as much fun with them as with any Saturn/PS2/3DO/360/PS3 port that came later on.

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Yeah I know but why wouldnt you want ones that sounds better and look better?

That's it, I rest my case.
Someone wants to take over?

Because sound and looks are a poor substitute for quality game play. Look at Mortal Kombat II on the Saturn - it's leagues better looking and sounding than the SNES version, but the game is so broken it's a moot point. I don't know how to make it any clearer than that.

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Originally Posted by Kollision

That's it, I rest my case.
Someone wants to take over?

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I want.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

They're playable yes. But why? You could play it on any system it came out on afterwards and get a better version. You could even play it on other systems like the 3do and still have a better version.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

Yeah I know but why wouldnt you want ones that sounds better and look better?

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Hey, Clessy, what are doing at Sega-16.com if you are only able to appreciate space-age graphics and sounds? I think you must demand a massive destruction of MDs, SFCs and any other console already emulated on space-age machines since they are deprecated and became a complete waste of space, money and time!

You sounded like one of those dick-heads that go to the movies to watch super hero's 3D stuff and feel like watching da'shit.
Godfather, Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, Sleepers, State Of Grace, Donnie Brasco, Reservoir Dogs, Wall Street, Ranging Bull... They all sound and look dated by today's standards but they still do kick wimpy asses like you any day of the week.

Nobody said that these lackluster Takara ports are any good in tech department. I've saw posts saying that they were sorta/kinda enjoyable or playable...

After all, your words sounded like a oxymoron to me, since you are a WM groupie and they are just a company doing games that look and sound dated when compared to any PS2 or PS3 game.
I agree with you, Takara ports suck! But you suck even more...

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Originally Posted by agostinhobaroners

I want.





Hey, Clessy, what are doing at Sega-16.com if you are only able to appreciate space-age graphics and sounds? I think you must demand a massive destruction of MDs, SFCs and any other console already emulated on space-age machines since they are deprecated and became a complete waste of space, money and time!

You sounded like one of those dick-heads that go to the movies to watch super hero's 3D stuff and feel like watching da'shit.
Godfather, Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, Sleepers, State Of Grace, Donnie Brasco, Reservoir Dogs, Wall Street, Ranging Bull... They all sound and look dated by today's standards but they still do kick wimpy asses like you any day of the week.

Nobody said that these lackluster Takara ports are any good in tech department. I've saw posts saying that they were sorta/kinda enjoyable or playable...

After all, your words sounded like a oxymoron to me, since you are a WM groupie and they are just a company doing games that look and sound dated when compared to any PS2 or PS3 game.
I agree with you, Takara ports suck! But you suck even more...

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Broken logic. I simply play the best versions of a game possible to me. I obviously like plenty of genesis games.

I'm with Clessy on this one.
This has nothing to do with (not) enjoying older movies, because they have superior acting/story lines etc. Or hating 16-bit consoles or any of that bullshit.
That's just comparing apples to oranges.

There is nothing better about the MK and SF series on the 16-bit consoles, compared to arcade perfect (or close to) ports on every other console. There are at least 500 other good games that aren't ports on the Mega Drive/Genesis that are worth my time. Why would I play a half-assed port? It doesn't matter if the port is a decent effort or not or even that it's a great game in its own right. It's just not AS good or great as the originals. Simple as that.

Olls jumps into the discussion.
Agostinho folds.

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Originally Posted by Clessy

Broken logic.I simply play the best versions of a game possible to me. I obviously like plenty of genesis games.

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What?
That really is broken logic. "best possible versions" + "to me" == fail!

Best possible: real arcades, great controls and no loadings or lazy lens assembly.
To you: emulation.

You are too, too far from the real thing. Instead, you're very close to a bad joke.

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Originally Posted by agostinhobaroners

Olls jumps into the discussion.
Agostinho folds.



What?
That really is broken logic. "best possible versions" + "to me" == fail!

Best possible: real arcades, great controls and no loadings or lazy lens assembly.
To you: emulation.

You are too, too far from the real thing. Instead, you're very close to a bad joke.

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Guess what buddy. Emulated version of the arcade version with a nice stick is vastly better than playing with a cart on a snes or genesis with a controller.

I dont have real hardware because I hate it also. Its so stupid how 1 of you guys has an opinion and then a bunch of brain dead guys who cant think for themselves, like yourself copy there argument.

Also cabnits are getting old they take up a lot of room and not very practical for a living room. You're never gonna get to play your favorite old school arcade game on a 65" tv with a nice stick in a arcade cab.

Also you're not reading what I wrote in proper context so I guess I should type if so it easier to understand. The best possible version available to me. Not to me, as in my opinion. But you're a genius and physic so im sure you knew this already.

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Originally Posted by agostinhobaroners

Best possible: real arcades, great controls and no loadings or lazy lens assembly.
To you: emulation.

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Technically, emulating the arcade machines (assuming emulation is good enough to not cause any glitches in that specific game) may be better than real hardware (especially because of the customizable control scheme and the ability to use any kind of device for that purpose).

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Originally Posted by Clessy

I dont have real hardware because I hate it also.

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Funny.

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Originally Posted by Sik

Technically, emulating the arcade machines (assuming emulation is good enough to not cause any glitches in that specific game) may be better than real hardware (especially because of the customizable control scheme and the ability to use any kind of device for that purpose).

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Sorry but I can't think in a better device to use with Sega Super GT than the original cabinet controls....

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Originally Posted by agostinhobaroners

Funny

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I'll explain that to you also. Its called sarcasm. Im sure you didnt get it and wanted to make another invalid point.

Clessy, we don't take to kindly to people who emulate on a regular basis. You never have anything good to say, and while some criticism is welcome, all you ever do is tell everyone how much you hate something. Try mentioning what you "Like" about a game for a change.

He's always hating everything 'cause he's always playing emulated stuff alone. That's why he will never understand...

He will never understand how much fun I can take from my MD playing Street Racer with three friends. He will never understand that is so much better to play SFII in MD using my arcade stick against a real friend than play the arcade version using an emulator with a whatever controller...

Sad but true.

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Originally Posted by eddiespruce

Clessy, we don't take to kindly to people who emulate on a regular basis. You never have anything good to say, and while some criticism is welcome, all you ever do is tell everyone how much you hate something. Try mentioning what you "Like" about a game for a change.

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Yeah I actually do but, you cant argue with me when im only talking about something I like so you're not looking for those post..