PS2 vs Game Cube graphics?

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Originally Posted by SegaAMD

that's not exactly what I'm talking about.

first we need to remove the xbox from the conversation, the xbox belongs to another league in both multiplatform and exclusive games.

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It does belong in the conversation, because the Xbox got a lot of shitty PS2 ports brought over to it, just like the Gamecube.

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That said, when I participate in conversations about the PS2 they basically put it as the console that has the worst visuals, if that were true it would not sell what it sold, we are talking about a very large number, these consumers saw qualities in the PS2 that in general forums do not see.

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It's pretty jarring, going from a Dreamcast to a PS2 and noticing that everything shimmers. The image quality mostly looks pretty low res. The 1st day i fire up Rogue Squadron 2 on the GC (yes, that is the game that sold me on the console), it just blew everything away that I'd played on the PS2.

How could the PS2 not sell well? Sony already has a PlayStation core audience of over 90 million. They weren't going to run out and buy Gamecubes, or Dreamcasts.

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DC had good graphics but the public saw that Tekken Tag and SSX had better graphics, when the Gamecube arrived the PS2 used Baldurs Gate, GT3, Devil May Cry to cool the new console, Dark Alliance despite being 480i is one of the sharpest PS2 games, high polygonal count, being one of the first games to show the hardware difference between PS2 and GC, lack water in that specific game, demand to hardware, even though the console was easy to program. see

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See above

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https://youtu.be/SzkP3tL92To?t=68

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Those videos are of such low quality, that it's hard to see any difference between those games, other than the Xbox version having shinier surfaces. We don't even know if the guy was using component cables with the GC or PS2. I have Baldure's Gate: Dark Alliance on the PS2. I can fire it up and give you an impression of the visuals. I can tell you, that if they are 480i, they are going to look like ass, especially if the PS2 is doing its form of AA.

I fired up Dark Alliance on my PS2, using component cables, on a Sony Hi-Scan CRT. The game is 480i, full of shimmering and even has jaggie edges on the the loading screen. The character models are nice, without any blocky looking limbs, but should be expected on those 3 consoles, with their millions of polygons.

Blurry

https://www.sega-16.com/forum/attach...3&d=1606701182


Images are too soft.

https://www.sega-16.com/forum/attach...4&d=1606701192


Jaggies even on the loading screen.

https://www.sega-16.com/forum/attach...5&d=1606701201

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Originally Posted by axel

One of the problems at the time was that we didn't have sites like YouTube so you couldn't do a side by side comparison, unless you happened to own both consoles. If YouTube had been a thing in 2001 the PS2 would have been trashed for its weaker visuals. It would be like the situation now with the XSX vs PS5, MS is taking a beating in the gaming press even though the differences seem relatively minor in most games.

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Do you suggest that if there were youtube, social media, people would have seen the qualities of DC and GC and ps2 would have been left out?

who knows, things had to be as they were. The success of a console is defined above all by its hardware.

Sony promised with the PS2, polygonal counting.Dreamcast was good hardware but the differences in gameplay and polygonal counting made the difference in favor of the PS2. Skies of arcadia is looks good but at the same time very blocky, DC lacked more creativity to circumvent the polygonal count.

At the time there were comparisons, as they exist today, but they were published by magazines or by some sites like IGN, older sites.

DOA2 is the key, when the first comparisons came out people saw that the dreamcast had better textures, free jaggies and very colorful. But they preferred the look delivered by the PS2, lighting effects, motion blur and in some specific points even better textures like snow, metal and leather, extra stages provided by the DVD, I call it ''relativization of graphics '' .

Do the same GameCube version :daze:

Why would i buy the same game for 2 different consoles? :daze:

I have been known to double dip a few times. Tho usually with some reason. To support a game I really love. Operation Rainfall. The other console easier to use or offers a feature I prefer. Looks or runs better. Things like that but if they are near identical. Usually don't.

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Originally Posted by Leynos

I have been known to double dip a few times. Tho usually with some reason. To support a game I really love. Operation Rainfall. The other console easier to use or offers a feature I prefer. Looks or runs better. Things like that but if they are near identical. Usually don't.

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I've done it with a PC version, that was far superior to the console game. Fallout 3, Fallout 4 and The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim were far superior on PC, and those games were amongst my favorites on the consoles.

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Originally Posted by Leynos

Well yeah. Xbox had a faster CPU/GPU and 64MB of ram vs GCN's 43MB.

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here's the gamecube secret that nobody tells. of course, there is still the mini dvd that fits 3x less data than the dvd and 6x less than dvd-9 (I once read on a forum that GC can make a better version of God of war, the person didn't even know what he was talking about, one of more than 15 ps2 games using dvd-9)

xbox really has 64MB is another level no doubts, PS2 has 32MB but the 43MB of GameCube is not what the numbers say, they are like the 12 teraflops of the xbox series X, yeh. it's interesting that Gamevet agrees with me that the teraflops do not mean anything also agree that the xbox series X is less powerful than the PS5. I can deduce that he is a Nintendo fan as TA is a xbox fan, both strive to refute what they do not like or use narratives.

in the case of the xbox series X: it is not the ps5 that is more powerful, it is the xbox tools that are bad, it is an old dev kit they say. ok

In the case of GC Gamevet does the same thing, if a game runs better on the gamecube, something rare about 14% of multiplatform games, machine is more powerful. when GC looks worse he says they are bad port and disqualify the port. that is, there is not the same precision in the analysis as it did with the PS5

in those 43MB of memory of the 16MB gamecube are only for sound and cache, it’s an extremely slow memory of only 81mb / sec, see ps2 memory works at 3.2gb / sec, so nintendo put 16 just to be able add to the 27MB (main 24MB and 3MB for video) for marketing purposes. and it worked because people still think that the GC is more powerful

But that's not what matters, what matters is that these 16mb cannot be used in any other way.

this leaves the GC with 24MB of main ram, the ps2 has 32mb of main ram, 8MB more or 33% this explains why games like True crimes, Finding Nemo run better on PS2 and explain why Driver 3, Max payne and other games don't were never ported to gamecube.

I don't know if this has come up before but I learned today the PS2 has an option for 1080i output on some titles e.g. Gran Turismo 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q53V...ve%27sGameRoom

With soft mods it can even do 1080p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_wa57J8vbg&ab_channel=MetalJesusRocks

There's quite a bit of aliasing but it's still a feature Nintendo wouldn't match for over a decade.

I'd love to help you guys out by learning Dolphin emulation to take screenshots and polycounts but I simply can't handle any more projects.

Just remember this:

Dreamcast: textures/presentation
PS2: polycounts/bandwidth

GameCube/OG Xbox: best of both worlds

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Originally Posted by axel

I don't know if this has come up before but I learned today the PS2 has an option for 1080i output on some titles e.g. Gran Turismo 4

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You’ve never played GT4 in 1080i? I’ve been told before that it’s upscaled and not true 720p. Tourist Trophy also supports it. There are ways to force some games into progressive scan using something akin to a Game Shark, but some of those games end up crashing.

There are a couple of GC games like Metroid Prime that support progressive scan wide screen.

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Originally Posted by SegaAMD

here's the gamecube secret that nobody tells. of course, there is still the mini dvd that fits 3x less data than the dvd and 6x less than dvd-9 (I once read on a forum that GC can make a better version of God of war, the person didn't even know what he was talking about, one of more than 15 ps2 games using dvd-9)

xbox really has 64MB is another level no doubts, PS2 has 32MB but the 43MB of GameCube is not what the numbers say, they are like the 12 teraflops of the xbox series X, yeh. it's interesting that Gamevet agrees with me that the teraflops do not mean anything also agree that the xbox series X is less powerful than the PS5. I can deduce that he is a Nintendo fan as TA is a xbox fan, both strive to refute what they do not like or use narratives.

in the case of the xbox series X: it is not the ps5 that is more powerful, it is the xbox tools that are bad, it is an old dev kit they say. ok

In the case of GC Gamevet does the same thing, if a game runs better on the gamecube, something rare about 14% of multiplatform games, machine is more powerful. when GC looks worse he says they are bad port and disqualify the port. that is, there is not the same precision in the analysis as it did with the PS5

in those 43MB of memory of the 16MB gamecube are only for sound and cache, it’s an extremely slow memory of only 81mb / sec, see ps2 memory works at 3.2gb / sec, so nintendo put 16 just to be able add to the 27MB (main 24MB and 3MB for video) for marketing purposes. and it worked because people still think that the GC is more powerful

But that's not what matters, what matters is that these 16mb cannot be used in any other way.

this leaves the GC with 24MB of main ram, the ps2 has 32mb of main ram, 8MB more or 33% this explains why games like True crimes, Finding Nemo run better on PS2 and explain why Driver 3, Max payne and other games don't were never ported to gamecube.

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Wow.. if your retarded posts serve nothing but to gain maximum eye rolls - congrats, mission accomplished. You seriously need to stay out of the tech discussions.

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Originally Posted by axel

I don't know if this has come up before but I learned today the PS2 has an option for 1080i output on some titles e.g. Gran Turismo 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q53VTuKlnBw&ab_channel=Dave%27sGameRoom

With soft mods it can even do 1080p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_wa57J8vbg&ab_channel=MetalJesusRocks

There's quite a bit of aliasing but it's still a feature Nintendo wouldn't match for over a decade.

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Yeah, but the internal game resolution is not 1080i (it's much lower haha). It's actually not that impressive when you think about it from another perspective too; 1080i is basically 540p60 bandwidth, and GC had plenty of games that output 480p60 (and actually rendered at that resolution). God of War 480p60 (with the smoothing filter off) is much more impressive looking than that GT4 in 1080i.

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Originally Posted by turboxray

Wow.. if your retarded posts serve nothing but to gain maximum eye rolls - congrats, mission accomplished. You seriously need to stay out of the tech discussions.

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please do not interact with me no, never again. It's not worth it, you're a fanboy with no arguments ok Don't blame me if your beloved console was weaker ok I did not design it, I'm talking to solid arguments here because I realized that in this thread things weren't being commented on properly only it was just haterism against ps2.

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Originally Posted by SegaAMD

please do not interact with me no, never again. It's not worth it, you're a fanboy with no arguments ok Don't blame me if your beloved console was weaker ok I did not design it, I'm talking to solid arguments here because I realized that in this thread things weren't being commented on properly only it was just haterism against ps2.

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I'm quoting this in case you try to backtrack and delete it

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Originally Posted by SegaAMD

you're a fanboy with no arguments

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.......................................wut??