A wild Nintendo Fanboy Appears!

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

That was not an ignorant attack, that was a joke ;)

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Ignorant attack? I found that funny, so I used it there... Who would take that seriously?

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

And for your information, these days I prefer the SNES to the Mega Drive anyway, mainly as a result of hanging around here for too long I fear :(

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Who cares?

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

:o - :ban:

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Wait! give me a few months and I might do another turnaround :sweat:

Seriously though, before coming here I played games like X-Men and nostalgically enjoyed their soundtracks, these days after hearing so much moaning about Gems I can no longer enjoy them anymore, because I keep thinking about the sound quality.

I also keep thinking about the "Overrated games/Opinions Blinded by nostalgia/Games that are supposed to be great" threads and how most of the games I liked were analyzed and pulled to pieces (maybe Kid Chameleon does have awful graphics?, should Landstalker have a shadow? is Quackshot too slow? etc). Now when I play Quackshot I think "to be honest, it is a little slow"

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

Wait! give me a few months and I might do another turnaround :sweat:

Seriously though, before coming here I played games like X-Men and nostalgically enjoyed their soundtracks, these days after hearing so much moaning about Gems I can no longer enjoy them anymore, because I keep thinking about the sound quality.

I also keep thinking about the "Overrated games/Opinions Blinded by nostalgia/Games that are supposed to be great" threads and how most of the games I liked were analyzed and pulled to pieces (maybe Kid Chameleon does have awful graphics?, should Landstalker have a shadow? is Quackshot too slow? etc).

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Hahahaha, oh man, I love to criticize those 3 games, sorry :p. I don't think they're bad though, far from it, they're great, just overrated. I'd take any of them over Donkey Kong Country, the king of overratedness (well... maybe not Kid Chameleon).

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

Seriously though, before coming here I played games like X-Men and nostalgically enjoyed their soundtracks, these days after hearing so much moaning about Gems I can no longer enjoy them anymore, because I keep thinking about the sound quality.

I also keep thinking about the "Overrated games/Opinions Blinded by nostalgia/Games that are supposed to be great" threads and how most of the games I liked were analyzed and pulled to pieces (maybe Kid Chameleon does have awful graphics?, should Landstalker have a shadow? is Quackshot too slow? etc). Now when I play Quackshot I think "to be honest, it is a little slow"

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You should be happy, 'cause now you'll have more time to enjoy the good games.;)

X-Men is a choppy turd.
Kid Chameleon is a very boring, repetitive and overrated piece of crap. SMW killer? No way.
IMO Landstalker and Quackshot are really great games though...

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Originally Posted by QuickSciFi

Apparently yes. How else are we going to get new members like tennishero above you?

P.S.> Welcome to sega-16, tennishero.

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thanks

just another crazy sega fan who owned every sega console back in the day.

one day ill realise im too old for this- till then its great to be here

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Originally Posted by tennishero

thanks

just another crazy sega fan who owned every sega console back in the day.

one day ill realise im too old for this- till then its great to be here

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The coops up guy. I know you're Danny Glover!

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

That was not an ignorant attack, that was a joke ;)

And for your information, these days I prefer the SNES to the Mega Drive anyway, mainly as a result of hanging around here for too long I fear :(

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Haha :D I think I'm guilty, but it's just so much fun looking at how some people respond to things that shouldn't be taken seriously.

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Originally Posted by Olls

Haha :D I think I'm guilty, but it's just so much fun looking at how some people respond to things that shouldn't be taken seriously.

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You mean like this?

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Originally Posted by Olls

There is this confusion again about invention and innovation. I hope you know the two are not the same thing.
Nintendo didn't invent those things, but they innovated them.

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Originally Posted by Olls

The Lynx has better hardware, but this doesn't mean it's better than the Gameboy. Going by your logic, the Jaguar is far superior to the SNES and Genesis.
The CDi motion controls were a halfassed effort and barely worked. It's like comparing the powerglove to the Wiimote.
Again, you're just listing things that came on the market before Nintendo introduced them. This has nothing to do with innovation.

Here are a few definitions of innovation:

“The ability to deliver new value to a customer” (Jose Campos)

“Innovation does not relate just to a new product that would come into the marketplace. Innovation can occur in processes and approaches to the marketplace” (David Schmittlen)

“Change that creates a new dimension of performance” (Peter Drucker)

I think you'll agree that all of these definitions are applicable to what Nintendo has done with their products.

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Originally Posted by Olls

You're doing the same.
I think we can safely agree on the fact that the Gameboy is by far the superior handheld when it comes to sales. Whether you think the Lynx had a better game library or not is your opinion and is debatable, but is obviously not shared by the vast majority of the population that used to own handhelds in the early 90s.
If you think that those definitions do not apply to Nintendo, then feel free to explain why.

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Originally Posted by Olls

No, but they are often a result of succesful innovation. Unfair business practices as you like to call them is ALSO innovation. It doesn't have to be something that's visible on the product you're buying as a consumer.
Some reasons why the Gameboy did so well:
- Long battery life (innovative)
- Efficient marketing (innovative)
- Lots of addons; some worked, some didn't (innovative)
And last but not least, the huge game library.

Was the Lynx innovative? Sure it was. A color screen on a handheld back then was pretty innovative, but it carried several drawbacks that backfired on them:
- Size
- Short battery life
- Bad screen visibility
Somehow its game library was also much smaller, but I'm sure someone else can explain why.

So which handheld had the most succesful innovation? Innovation is not just about slapping the most expensive and "best" features onto a product, but is also about carefully weighing the pros against the cons. Atari clearly failed at doing this and would be making the same mistake again (see jaguar).
Sometimes, innovation is taking one step backwards to go two steps forward. A good example of this is the Wii. It took a step back on hardware specs, but it still conquered the market because it reinvented (one of the key features of innovation) the way games are played.

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Originally Posted by Olls

I didn't say a large game library is innovative, but a long battery life surely is. The Gameboy was the first handheld to offer this, contrary to its competitors.
If you don't think marketing can be innovative, I suggest you do more research into the subject matter before quoting a dictionary with stuff you don't fully understand.



Surely, other handhelds at the time were more available than an SF2 arcade cabinet for the common household user. Nonsensical comparison.
I'd like to see some sources that back up that Tetris was the sole reason for the Gameboy outselling every other handheld. Even if that was the case, that's great innovation right there (good packin games were not a norm) and something that should be encouraged.

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Originally Posted by Olls

I didn't deny anything, I explained why you are wrong.
You just quoted a dictionary with a quote that actually proves my point. Not very smart.

Any freshman of economics or business would laugh in your face if you told them that innovative marketing doesn't exist.
This is 101 stuff and I don't know what to add if you don't understand this.

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Originally Posted by Olls

Actually, I did. Read my post. I also said that the Lynx was innovative, so there is no need to confirm this (it looks like you don't even read my posts, merely skim over them).
You can stop quoting dictionary definitions if you don't have the ability to put them into context. So much for that degree.
Let's just agree to disagree about whether or not Nintendo was innovative. We both know better.

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Originally Posted by Olls

Kogen is a troll, and is simply re-enacting the way both Sega and Nintendo fans respond to eachother (in an exaggerated way). Sega fanboys are no better or more mature. It just seems that way because you're right in the middle of a sega-minded community. Nintendo fans will say the same thing about Sega fans on their forum.

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Originally Posted by Olls

Topics like this are the lifeblood of my being. Leave the topic alone, Clessy.

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:rofl:

So much fun...

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Originally Posted by agostinhobaroners

You should be happy, 'cause now you'll have more time to enjoy the good games.;)

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The problem being that I'd finished up playing pretty much every single western Mega Drive release (and a lot of the Japanese imports like Pulseman and Monster World 4) by ~2006 (mainly emulator whoring, but I do own over 250 real Mega Drive carts too), so there were no actual new games to learn about, just people pointing out the flaws in the games which I liked.

What about Sega CD?

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Originally Posted by agostinhobaroners

What about Sega CD?

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I haven't played many Sega-CD games to be honest, I don't even own one (I stupidly turned down a Mega Drive + Mega CD + 32X in a market a few years ago for £10 simply because I couldn't be bothered to carry it home :()

Eventually I'll move onto Sega-CD, its just a question of opportunity, funds, and time

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

The lynx was inferior to the gameboy since it was less portable, the most important feature in a portable.
It does indeed have the best good to bad ratio of any console, but it doesn't have any really great games.

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Battery life was also a massive advantage (to this day, the original GB is still among the longest battery lives of any handheld game systems produced). Price point was an issue too, though the Lynx wasn't THAT much more expensive. (GG was more so -but that was partially Sega's doing . . . Sega really should have been able to undercut the Lynx)

Advertising, brand recognition, and software support were obviously huge issues as well, though non-technical ones. (well, price-point is non-technical too -though manufacturing cost is technical . . . and the GB must have had a massive advantage there -ie Nintendo was almost certainly making considerably better margins on GB hardware sales than Lynx or GG in spite of the lower price -since the hardware was even cheaper than the price suggested . . . sort of like the Wii vs PS3 vs 360 -lower price but far cheaper hardware and much, much higher margins)

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Originally Posted by Olls

Kogen is a troll, and is simply re-enacting the way both Sega and Nintendo fans respond to eachother (in an exaggerated way). Sega fanboys are no better or more mature. It just seems that way because you're right in the middle of a sega-minded community. Nintendo fans will say the same thing about Sega fans on their forum.

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From my experience (as a general game/retro/computer fan -not an exclusive Sega fan in the least), rabid/crazy/ignorant Sega fans are far, far, far less common than Nintendo ones. (which is a huge turn off to the Nintendo scene for me)
I've seen more rabid/biased/ignorant fans on Atariage (for various computers or consoles -including non-atari systems, like the Amiga) than Sega ones on Sega 16.

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Originally Posted by QuickSciFi

You mean like this?

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You're one of those people, if you think that last quote was meant to be taken serious.
You do seem to have a lot of trouble spotting irony and sarcasm on the internets.

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

From my experience (as a general game/retro/computer fan -not an exclusive Sega fan in the least), rabid/crazy/ignorant Sega fans are far, far, far less common than Nintendo ones. (which is a huge turn off to the Nintendo scene for me)
I've seen more rabid/biased/ignorant fans on Atariage (for various computers or consoles -including non-atari systems, like the Amiga) than Sega ones on Sega 16.

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That is probably because there are a lot more Nintendo fans than there are Sega fans.