Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers (SNES vs. Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis)

Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers was released for the SNES and Sega Mega Drive/Genesis in 1994; they are both ports of the arcade game of the same name. Which version of the game do you guys think is better between the SNES and Sega Mega Drive/Genesis ports; do you like both ports equally? I prefer the SNES version; the color palette is superior to the MD/Gen version, the audio quality is much better, and the control in both ports is identical. The Mega Drive version does have additional gameplay modes that the SNES version does not (Expert mode and Point Score Battle are exclusive to the Sega Mega Drive/Genesis port.)

The SNES version is better overall (better graphics, better sound also) but something i like in the Sega version is the almost perfect arcade intro conversion.
On SNES Ruy is nor more animated (only background scrolls).

i was super disappointed with SSF2 on sega - i played the hell out of it on snes BITD and last year sometime picked it up for the MD....i still cant believe how utterly SHITE the sound and graphics are?!?!

its a bloody awful port....stupidly quiet, bad BAD sound and "crumpled" graphics.....it REALLY puts me off....

SF2CE FTW!!!!

I on the other hand prefer Super SF2, Its much softer to look at (colors in CE are very hard) and the sound samples don't bother me,
IMO Super = Super-ior.

I have a hard time playing either the SNES version or the Genesis version, mainly due to the graphical advancements in the CPS-II hardware not carrying over to the 16-bit systems. Even the 3DO version of Super Turbo looked grainy when compared to the original. I will say that Fei Long's stage music on the SNES was fantastic, though; I remember playing that tune over and over again. If I were to look for a good port of SSF2/T It'll probably be the version on the Dreamcast (w dreamstick if possible - I've only used one at a friends house, but it was a small slice of heaven), or the PS2 Hyper version.

I have fond memories of playing the SNES version. The frame rate is better, the color range is obviously better, and my GOD is the sound better. And for some reason I found the moves a little harder to pull off in the Genesis version.

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Originally Posted by Waterfaller

I have fond memories of playing the SNES version. The frame rate is better, the color range is obviously better, and my GOD is the sound better. And for some reason I found the moves a little harder to pull off in the Genesis version.

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O_o ? both games runs at 60 FPS (on NTSC system), what do you mean by that ?

60 Hz is a refresh rate. Frame rate is something else entirely.

I love Super Street Fighter II on Genesis despite its inferiority. Yes, the SNES iteration is superior in graphics and sound. A casual look at youtube vids of the SNES version easily confirmed that for me.

Love the colors in SSF2 on MD/G. In my opinion it doesn't get better than this considering the hardware's limitations in that regard.

I also happen to really love the music. Plus I think the sfx are okay (the voices however are not).

And I agree that the intro is really awesome on MD/G. I was pretty disappointed (or rather surprised) when I first saw the SNES version's intro.

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Originally Posted by Lastcallhall

60 Hz is a refresh rate. Frame rate is something else entirely.

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Yeah but this game (as almost all games on genesis) has 60 Frame Per Second rate hopefully... and i believe the sprite animation are exactly the same on both system.

I have noticed that the character movement/scrolling is much smoother in the PCE version of Champion Edition than in any of the Genesis or SNES games though. It looks like the difference between 60FPS and 30FPS to me. I have always wondered why that is.

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Originally Posted by Stef

O_o ? both games runs at 60 FPS (on NTSC system), what do you mean by that ?

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Maybe frame rate wasn't the best term to use... alright, for example, check out this video.



Notice Cammy's and Ken's stance. In the Genesis version it looks a bit choppy compared to the SNES version's smoothness.

I can't see any missing frames in the standing animations for either versions. I do think the added color creates a sense of added detail in the SNES version for some frames.

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Originally Posted by Waterfaller

Notice Cammy's and Ken's stance. In the Genesis version it looks a bit choppy compared to the SNES version's smoothness.

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Ken's stance has the exact same number of frames. Cammy's standing animation was actually butchered on the SNES version, as they tried to censor it because her chest was moving a bit. I used to be more upset about the censorship, and defended the Genesis version over the SNES one as a result, but these days I'd say I prefer the SNES version if I had to choose between the two, because the music is very close to the arcade's (I thought the sound would be better on an actual Genesis, but after I bought a copy a couple of years ago, I discovered it's just as bad as on emulators. Back then I was defending it, saying it surely sounds better on actual hardware, but it doesn't), and the graphics are much more detailed, and aren't missing any big details like the SNES versions of World Warrior and Champion Edition/Hyper Fighting. One actual example of missing frames is Guile's standing animation (in both Genesis versions). His legs only have 2 animation frames on the Genesis, but on the SNES version they have 3 frames:

SNES:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...StanceSNES.gif

Genesis:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...nceGenesis.gif

The Genesis version has the "Extra" mode though, which is unique to that version and faces you off against every fighter in the game. That'd be the only real reason to play this version. In the end, I'd say the Genesis' version of Special Champion Edition is far superior to the Genesis port of Super. The music is very close to the arcade, and the graphics made much better use of the Genesis' limited palette, which on Super just looked like they took the BGs and just simply lowered the color depth in an image editor and called it a day. It's especially apparent in Ken's stage:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...SF2Example.png

In this day and age, I'd say either go with the PSX/Saturn Street Fighter Collection for Super and Super Turbo (though Super seems a bit easier, and Turbo's AI was toned down to be at the same level, whereas the arcade's difficulty is much, much higher than any of the other versions of SF2, as indicated by the Japanese title "Super Street Fighter II X - Grand Master Challenge"), or I'd say just emulate the arcade version. The Capcom Classics Collection 2 version is emulation, but it's a terrible one with tons of sound breaking audio glitches, and noticeable input lag.

I've heard the DC version of Super Turbo is supposed to be the best port of Super Turbo, but if you want Super, then I think the PSX/Saturn port in the Street Fighter Collection is the best port. If you want to avoid emulation, then I'd say those ports are the best options.

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Originally Posted by Waterfaller

Maybe frame rate wasn't the best term to use... alright, for example, check out this video.



Notice Cammy's and Ken's stance. In the Genesis version it looks a bit choppy compared to the SNES version's smoothness.

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YT videos are recorded in 30fps only which means that it is not possible to accurately judge any differences in a game running at 60fps just by watching a YT video.

The thing that was the most obvious to me is that the SNES' composite video quality is MUCH better than that of the Genesis. This isn't an issue if you're used to RGB-SCART.

Other than that I think the SNES version sounds decent overall, but nowhere near as good as some of you claimed. The MD version's music clearly sounds richer and the sfx crispier. Not even the voices are as bad as I thought / remembered them to be (in comparison to the SNES version).

Although I personally was never a big fan of SSFII (I preferred HF and ST) I liked SNES version more than the Genesis.

Since they both controlled the same, other things (like presentation) were what made the difference. Although I felt the Genesis had better presentation outside of the fights (more animation in the intro, non censored loser portraits, etc), the SNES had much better presentation during the battles themselves (more animation and extra layers in the backgrounds, etc) and that was more important to me.

In addition to that, the Genesis music was terrible. Honestly, it was like they didn't even try. This is especially true for some stages like Ken's, where they just outright gave up.

For those reasons, along with the fact that my C&L arcade stick only worked with the SNES (couldn't find anything comparable for the Genesis), I stuck with the SNES version.

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Originally Posted by Lastcallhall

I have a hard time playing either the SNES version or the Genesis version, mainly due to the graphical advancements in the CPS-II hardware not carrying over to the 16-bit systems. Even the 3DO version of Super Turbo looked grainy when compared to the original. I will say that Fei Long's stage music on the SNES was fantastic, though; I remember playing that tune over and over again. If I were to look for a good port of SSF2/T It'll probably be the version on the Dreamcast (w dreamstick if possible - I've only used one at a friends house, but it was a small slice of heaven), or the PS2 Hyper version.

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Super Street Fighter II X is available for both Dreamcast and Saturn. I have the Saturn version (part of the "Street Fighter Collection") and it plays great with the Saturn controller of course :D

Pretty sure the general consensus on this one is the SNES (the aforementioned sound on the Genesis being the biggest offense for me personally).

But just like I said in the other dead horse SFII thread, there's so many better ways to play SFII or Street Fighter in general in this day and age.

Super on the Genesis doesn't have any samples in the music if I recall, but the voices are less garbled than Special Champion Edition possibly as a result. This makes the music sound more flat in Super than SCE. Super on the SNES still sounds like I'm listening to it through a metal pipe, I gate that "effect". I also agree that they didn't even try to work within the Genesis palettes to make optimized levels. I'm still not sure about the extra animations that keeps popping up, I've never seen that in game.

When it comes down to playing them though, I'll play either one. I don't consider compilations relevant to this comparison.

Am I missing something with these intro's? They look alike IMO. And somebody mentioned that they controlled the same WTF unless you were willing to spend 50 dollars on an arcade stick then yeah but the stock SNES controller while better than the 3 button could'nt hold a candle to 6 button. Which IMO is the only and best way play SF better than using a stick IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qa8vmXIIzU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-OMGTBVZk

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

Am I missing something with these intro's? They look alike IMO.

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That's because you're comparing a well recorded SNES video with a shitty screen-captured Hypercam video of the Genesis one.

I personally think the differences are negligible, but the Genesis version uses animation frames for Ryu's stance in the intro, whereas the SNES one uses scrolling backgrounds for it. There are also more frames for the Hadouken as well. The Genesis version is closer to the arcade in this instance, but I personally hardly see a quick intro as a legitimate reason to liking one version of the game to another.

Response to Metalwario64 (comment #16)

I've always found it interesting when people compare graphical and audio differences between ports of the same game. Thank you for all of that information.

From,
Josh

Ryu's karate uniform has one more frame of animation in the Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis intro sequence than the SNES port.

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Originally Posted by synapse

Super Street Fighter II X is available for both Dreamcast and Saturn. I have the Saturn version (part of the "Street Fighter Collection") and it plays great with the Saturn controller of course :D

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You're right; I had forgotten about that version.

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

Am I missing something with these intro's? They look alike IMO. And somebody mentioned that they controlled the same WTF unless you were willing to spend 50 dollars on an arcade stick then yeah but the stock SNES controller while better than the 3 button could'nt hold a candle to 6 button. Which IMO is the only and best way play SF better than using a stick IMO.

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The video for the genesis version is very choppy and you hardly can seem the different animation frames.
Check here, you can see the SNES version only animate hair where the genesis version animate arm and clothes...
Anyway that's not a very big deal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzfr07K7aeU

Even though the SNES port is missing some of the voice samples from the arcade version (most notably the announcer voice that starts off the round), the overall quality is more clear than the voice samples that are in the Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis port. In comparison, the Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis port has most, if not all, of the voices from the arcade version of Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers (including the announcer voice that says the round number and fight), however the voices are muffled and more "scratchy" sounding than the SNES voice samples.

Why are there two threads with almost the exact same title from the same user? :?

Response to old man (comment #29)

This thread is for comparing Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers on the SNES and Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis and which version the forum members think is better between the two ports.

Dee Jay's ending is also different between these two ports. In the SNES version, the first ending picture shows Dee Jay's character select portrait on the right. Dee Jay's sprite is shown on the left in one of his win poses where he has a maraca in each hand. In the Sega Mega Drive version, it shows the image that you would see in the arcade version of Dee Jay's ending instead.

Does anybody give a fuck that the Genesis version has 1 or 2 more frames of animation than the SNES version? A big deal is when the intro was removed from SF2 and SFT on the SNES. While the Genesis version had it in SCE. (albeit a white guy) No need to get so anal over 2 flawed ports anyways.

He isn't getting anal about anything... He's just comparing and analysing the ports, what's wrong about that?
If you don't give a fuck, why are you posting here?:?

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Love the colors in SSF2 on MD/G. In my opinion it doesn't get better than this considering the hardware's limitations in that regard.

I also happen to really love the music. Plus I think the sfx are okay (the voices however are not).

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I agree with everything, but the voices are fine for me since it was still a huge amount of sampled voice for a single 16-bit game.

The graphics, particularly the color and shading, is one of the greatest achievements for a Genesis game and it still looks better than most 16-bit console games. It doesn't matter if another version is technically better in some ways, it doesn't take anything away from how amazing the Genesis version is in its own right.

It's a lot of fun on Nomad, but I never got any portable use out of the SNES version.

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Originally Posted by agostinhobaroners

He isn't getting anal about anything... He's just comparing and analysing the ports, what's wrong about that?
If you don't give a fuck, why are you posting here?:?

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It would be one thing if these ports came up in a different discussion about commercial success or something. The differences between these two ports, no matter how minor, is the whole point of this thread and participation is optional.

I agree with what you stated about the graphics, Black_Tiger. They are very impressive looking for a Sega Mega Drive game (although, in some instances, I do prefer the palette used for certain stages in SFII':SCE.) Commercial success between the ports may be included if one wishes to do so.

Both SCE and SSFII are amazing ports on the Genesis. I mean you're taking a CPS-1 and CPS-2 game and porting it over to the Genesis. That's not an easy feat.

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Originally Posted by Mark Robert

Both SCE and SSFII are amazing ports on the Genesis. I mean you're taking a CPS-1 and CPS-2 game and porting it over to the Genesis. That's not an easy feat.

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I agree except the music on SSF2 should have been better.

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Originally Posted by Mark Robert

Both SCE and SSFII are amazing ports on the Genesis. I mean you're taking a CPS-1 and CPS-2 game and porting it over to the Genesis. That's not an easy feat.

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Even more so considering the tiny size of the carts.

The Sega Mega Drive version includes character artwork for Cammy White and Dee Jay; these can be viewed by beating the game on NORMAL mode, for Cammy White's character artwork, or EXPERT mode, for Dee Jay's character artwork, on difficulty level seven or level eight without losing a single round. This is similar to what Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting on the SNES offered where you could view promotional posters of both games (Turbo and Champion Edition) if you beat the game on difficulty level eight without losing a single round.

There is no artwork of Fei Long or T-Hawk in the rom?

Sounds like a classic case of "we got some rom space left over what can we stuff in there?"

The win quote text differs between the SNES and Sega Mega Drive ports in some instances. For example, in the SNES version, one of Ryu's win quotes has been altered from the arcade version; "You must defeat my Dragon Punch to stand a chance!" is displayed after defeating an opponent (although there are other win quotes for Ryu as well.) In the Sega Mega Drive version, the text is the same as the arcade; it displays "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance!"