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What is the problem with the hardware?Quote:
Originally Posted by Orchid87
The SFIICE port was actually neutered by the source material.
Fatal Fury 2, Fatal Fury Special, Art of Fighting and World Heroes 2 are all fighter ports which turned out better tham SFII'. What's more magical than magic? Miracle? How many miracles in a row need to occure before you cease to under estimate the hardware?
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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger
To reiterate for great justice:
The PC Engine has:
1. A better processor than the SNES
2. Can access rom (aka, the cart) just as fast as ram
3. Has the most amount of palettes (~512 colors onscreen)
4. Can do the most updates onscreen per frame (1.5x the genesis under normal circumstances, although the genesis can beat it by doing letterboxing. Which it did on SSF2)
5. Easy to do good quality, multi-channel PCM.
Combine all of the above and tell me exactly what would keep it from doing MK2?
Better specs on paper, do not equal better specs in practice. The PS3 vs Xbox 360 era has taught us that. PS3 looks better on paper, but almost every multiplatform title looks and/or plays better on the 360, a technically inferior machine.
But my official answer would be: They just didn't give a shit.
And you'd be correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastardcat
Not exactly the same hardware. All of those games are Arcade CD-ROM2 releases. Street Fighter II' was on hucard, the sole Hucard greater than 8 megabits and required extra chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Tiger
It's hard to imagine TTI's rinky-dink operation creating another special Hucard like Street Fighter II' had, and the Arcade Card wasn't available until 1994. So for Mortal Kombat you either release a pathetic Super CD port, or cut it down to 8 megabits and release a pathetic Hucard port.
The problem is the lack of ROM space on Hucards. Street Fighter II' was pretty much a one-shot deal. Although, for MK2, Arcade CD would've been a viable option, but then #2 in your list doesn't apply. ;)Quote:
To reiterate for great justice:
The PC Engine has:
1. A better processor than the SNES
2. Can access rom (aka, the cart) just as fast as ram
3. Has the most amount of palettes (~512 colors onscreen)
4. Can do the most updates onscreen per frame (1.5x the genesis under normal circumstances, although the genesis can beat it by doing letterboxing. Which it did on SSF2)
5. Easy to do good quality, multi-channel PCM.
Combine all of the above and tell me exactly what would keep it from doing MK2?
The 360 is not technically inferior, so this is not a great example. The 360 has the technically superior GPU and a more flexible unified RAM set up. The PS3 has Bluray and the Cell CPU which has been documented as not being all that well optimized for game related calculations. The result? Well, perhaps if the PS3 had dominated we could have more of an argument over the software.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastardcat
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Originally Posted by Kamahl
That answer actually works with about 90% of questions pertaining to the TG-16.
It's just a mapper lol, can't really call it an "extra chip". If not for the shift to CD media we'd have seen a lot more SF2 size HuCards.Quote:
Originally Posted by j_factor
You are correct in assuming it would most likely be cut down to 8mb or SuperCD, but that's no fault of the hardware, just stupid people.
I'm sure they could've ponied up the money to get the rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by j_factor
What's not exactly the same? I mean, it just comes down to space for data.. really. The core hardware is the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by j_factor
The arcade card started life in '92 (proto), was scheduled for '93. There is even an official bi-compatible game that supports the ACD released in '93.Quote:
Street Fighter II' was on hucard, the sole Hucard greater than 8 megabits and required extra chips..[] It's hard to imagine TTI's rinky-dink operation creating another special Hucard like Street Fighter II' had, and the Arcade Card wasn't available until 1994. So for Mortal Kombat you either release a pathetic Super CD port, or cut it down to 8 megabits and release a pathetic Hucard port.
SF2'CE just uses the simplest kind of mapper you can think of. NES had more extensive mappers than what it used. It's just a simple 512kbyte segment selector. Hell, that 'bump' on the hucard is full of... nothing. I took it apart. The PCB was a little (black part) longer and they wanted a full label area, so they made a bump. It's not stuffed full of magical chips or such. But really, they could have easily used a normal large hucard if they consolidated the PCB (and roms. It uses four glop tops: one mapper, one 512kbyte rom, two 1024kbyte roms). 16megabits is not unreasonable size for an MK port. Single mapper chip, single 2048kbyte rom. It's not like the PCE can access two different addresses at once, so the segment design is very simple. Or.. one mapper, one 512k rom and one 1024k rom for a 12megabit game. Given the popularity of MK, it's not unreasonable to think they would have gone such a route. But then again, it's not unreasonable to think they would have just stuck with an 8megabit layout too.
He means that the additional BIOS chip upgrades the graphics to near NEO GEO quality, which everybody knows is true.
I see what you did there ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
Same extra chips as in MD and SNES SFII ports.Quote:
Originally Posted by j_factor
Again, not only is there no extra hardware, large MD and SFC games do the same thing and games like SFA2 for SFC actually DO use real extra hardware. But the way I've always heard this story is that the offer was made back before the Super CD had been released in North America and Midway had thought that the Turbo CD was the best chouce for a port. If MK had wound up as a CD2 game, then it truly would havd been butchered. Since MK's bgs are so simple, a Super CD port would've held uo fine compared to the Genesis and SNES ports. Other Super CD fighters without SFII's overly detailed bgs show how well they can turn out.Quote:
It's hard to imagine TTI's rinky-dink operation creating another special Hucard like Street Fighter II' had, and the Arcade Card wasn't available until 1994. So for Mortal Kombat you either release a pathetic Super CD port, or cut it down to 8 megabits and release a pathetic Hucard port.
Yeah, just memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomaitheous
Okay, but still, since you couldn't actually get one until early '94 in Japan, it's really hard to imagine TTI somehow bringing it to America in 1993. And '94 is pretty late for a port of MK1, not to mention late for a US Turbo game.Quote:
The arcade card started life in '92 (proto), was scheduled for '93. There is even an official bi-compatible game that supports the ACD released in '93.
Interesting. I thought the "bump" had fat rom chips in it or something. Good to know.Quote:
SF2'CE just uses the simplest kind of mapper you can think of. NES had more extensive mappers than what it used. It's just a simple 512kbyte segment selector. Hell, that 'bump' on the hucard is full of... nothing. I took it apart. The PCB was a little (black part) longer and they wanted a full label area, so they made a bump. It's not stuffed full of magical chips or such. But really, they could have easily used a normal large hucard if they consolidated the PCB (and roms. It uses four glop tops: one mapper, one 512kbyte rom, two 1024kbyte roms).
Where it was standard practice. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Tiger
I kind of doubt it. Mortal Kombat for Sega CD didn't exactly get an amazing reception, and Super CD has considerably less RAM. I'm having a hard time thinking of decent fighting games for the Super CD. I do have Asuka 120%, which is alright, but hardly a good example.Quote:
Again, not only is there no extra hardware, large MD and SFC games do the same thing and games like SFA2 for SFC actually DO use real extra hardware. But the way I've always heard this story is that the offer was made back before the Super CD had been released in North America and Midway had thought that the Turbo CD was the best chouce for a port. If MK had wound up as a CD2 game, then it truly would havd been butchered. Since MK's bgs are so simple, a Super CD port would've held uo fine compared to the Genesis and SNES ports. Other Super CD fighters without SFII's overly detailed bgs show how well they can turn out.
Sounds about as likely as Turbo getting the exclusive rights to MK. Maybe a little bit more plausible, actually. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Christuserloeser