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People can say "it's made with 2-directional" whipping in mind all they like, i'm definately gonna say i prefer the fact i can whip in 8 directions, alot of time, especially in the 8-bit Castlevanias, hitting Madusa Heads and Hunchbacks is a right pain in the ass.
It's very noticeable in Dracula XX, where the stages aren't designed around the gameplay and the overall gameplay is broken. You can get clipped byvan enemy at full health and be juggled with no control over anything, until you die.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard
The only areas in Castlevania IV with Madusa Heads aren't made any easier by multidirectional whipping. In fact, trying to utilize said multidirectional whipping will lead to unintentional death, as to hit at a diagnonal direction, you need to hold up and left or right, which results in you moving in that direction. And since you're standing on tiny platforms in each of these sections, it's easy as hell to fall off by mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogogadget
Not to mention that multidirectional whipping introduces a bug where you won't actually whip if you change directions at the start of the whip animation.
I was going to say the same thing but this thread got away from me. I only hit the madusa heads with horizontal strikes because the way they fly is more based on timing my jumps than on what angle I can attack them from.
Link to the Penny Arcade thread?
An example of how the level layout of Rondo is more refined than the level layout in Castlevania IV - there is no jump in Castlevania IV where you have to inch to the absolute edge of the platform you're currently standing on to reach the next one. You're never required to have half of your sprite hanging over the edge of the ledge or else you won't have enough jump to make the pit. Every gap is made with the amount of air you get in mind, so that you always can reach your goal.
By contrast, in Castlevania IV, the whip swinging mechanic is never laid out with regard to how it works. It's perhaps best epitomized by the level with the water - there are several sections where you're supposed to whip from one platform to another. If you have the most powered up whip, these sections are alright, but a fresh, minimum power whip means you have to inch as close to the edge as you possibly can get, with 1/2 of your sprite hanging off the edge, just to hit the whip post. And even then, when you're swinging, the platforms you're swinging to aren't arranged in spots that you'll automatically reach. Some are farther, some are closer. To fix this, they duct-taped on the ability to retract and expand your whip while swinging, so you can compensate for the non-standard distance between ledges. This is a dirty fix, and emblematic of the poor level design in C4.
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discu...v-overrated/p1Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
I was infracted for making the thread, too.
No. Most people who dislike Contra 3 also dislike Super C...apparently any deviation from the original is blasphemy. I'm not going to compare our tastes, so all that's left is to say the overhead parts of III (the customary objection) are very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard
edit = @ open converse here = Nope, that happens here too. Make a thread "Hot damn is Contra Hard Corps over rated" and see what happens.
Not trying to be cute or funny here, but if I was a MOD and saw your handle and your language, and the way you attack Castlevania IV on the first page I would assume you were trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard
That Penny Arcade thread is just sad. I really had to force myself to read the whole thing. You basically got punished for going against a popular opinion. Fuck that place. This is why Sega-16 is my only forum. The majority of discussions here are civilized and people are respectful of others' opinions. I don't really know why you'd bother posting this thread on Penny Arcade. It's loaded with immature/idiots/fanbois. Similarly, I posted on youtube that the stupid bramble song from DKC2 is overrated and I got flamed for months. For one comment. There's no use voicing intelligent, thought out opinions to idiots. It goes in one ear and out the other.
I've been a regular poster on Penny-arcade since like 2001, that's why.Quote:
Originally Posted by zetastrike
I like that song, btw, but I do agree it's overhyped. In today's world, simply saying you like something never seems like it's enough, people have to make it so that the things they like are the best ever or greatest in their genre, or some other form of validation. Something can be good and enjoyable, without being defining or innovative.
Last time I tried SCVIV (skiviv?), I stopped in the cave level where you whip slow-moving mud guys who break off into smaller slow-moving mud guys that slow down the game. I started to recall a few other enemies throughout the game that do nothing but stand in your way as you whip them a few times. Bah!
I'm pretty sure you can jump (fall?) off of stairs, though. You can also walk on stairs backwards, oddly enough.
I know the exact section you're talking about - those enemies are pretty much impossible to get hit by unless you intentionally walk into them. The game has a bunch of slowdown - there are sections where you walk under waterfalls, and little beads of water splash down. Those bring the game to a crawl.Quote:
Originally Posted by blobolonia
You can't jump off stairs in this one, but you can walk backwards by just pressing up near a staircase.
You might be able to fall off stairs if you get hit, but you definitely can't jump off stairs. However, IV was the first in the series that lets you jump on stairs (in the NES ones you just fall through), so that's a bit of an improvement. Jumping off stairs was introduced in Rondo, retained in Bloodlines and Dracula X.
My bad, I got it mixed up with Dracula X.