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I agree that the Amiga version is better, but I have seen people argue till they're blue in the face about how superior the C64 version is. Apparently there are tons of tiny level design changes between the two versions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
That said, the Turbo Grafx was technically a weaker system than the amiga... just sayin.
Ah Factor 5, yet another victim of the PS3. :(
They made Star Wars games that rivaled Tie Fighter's greatness. One PS3 exclusive later, and they go belly up.
Lair had so many problems, but a lot of them were forced upon factor 5 by Sony. I think the game would have been at least half-decent had they went with their original control scheme instead of making it motion-controlled only. Years later, they actually patched in normal controls, but even these use motion control to a degree. Had they gone with their original, motion-control-less vision, I think the game would have faired much better by virtue of being playable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastardcat
But yeah, Factor 5's death is a great loss, and sadly they're not remembed for much other than their fantastic Rogue games. In truth, they were one of the best developers of all time in Europe - their catelog of great games is really huge. And, in truth, they're probably one of the best port-houses in all of gaming. The number of high quality ports they produced is pretty great, including the afore-mentioned BC Kid, and Resident Evil 2 on the N64.
Oh I remember their RE2 port. The fact they were able to squeeze a two CD game onto a cartridge was nothing short of fucking sorcery!
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Well... it depends on how you look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard
The PCE has a weaker color palette, but WAAAYYYY more colors onscreen.
The PCE can't do true parallax scrolling. The Amiga can, but for true parallax a massive amount of color has to be sacrificed on the amiga.
Both can do parallax through tricks.
The PCE has a weaker soundchip, but two more channels.
The Amiga has a lot more ram, but the PCE can access ROM at the same speed (which is a lot better for games).
The PCE can move a lot more sprites onscreen than the Amiga without slowdown. The more colors you use on the amiga, the less time you have to draw sprites (another compromise).
The Amiga can do simple 3D graphics, the PCE has a much harder time doing them.
The Amiga has a more powerful processor, but it also takes more cycles per instruction than the PCE processor (most 2D game processing is simple, specially shooters, for stuff like that the advantage goes to the PCE)
So it's not clear cut.
Well, just about any game ported from the Amiga to the PCE wound up being inferior, and of the two PCE games ported to the amiga, one is superior on the Amiga (BC Kid) and the other is, at worst, a 1:1 copy of the PCE game (dynablaster).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
There was only one Amiga game that wowed me, and that was because it had an awesome soundtrack. Shadow of the Beast. Even the loading screen music is great!
Well, in this case the reverse problem happened. Shitty companies doing the PCE ports.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard
Shadow of the Beast PCE is pretty good though, considering it's a tech demo.
I wouldn't call that thing a game. It's a glorified tech demo. Second one is actually game, just a poorly designed, stupidly hard one. The third is good though, too short.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastardcat
Music for the third wasn't as good, but it was still awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2MBpVuufWo
Shadow of the beast is pretty awful IMO. Great graphics at the time, an impressive soundtrack, but terrible gameplay. It's a huge game of trial and error, and in several games in the series, not killing an enemy fast enough early in the game will actually make the game impossible to finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastardcat
Also, you're selling the Amiga short, man. There are tons of great games on the system, particularly if you love that 16-bit aesthetic. I'm not speaking via nostalgia, either - I've only been into Amiga gaming for about the last year and a half. As someone who is definitely a console gamer first and foremost, the Amiga has plenty to offer someone who enjoys, say, the Genesis or SNES. Try out the Turrican games, or the Lotus series, or Alien Breed, or The Chaos Engine, or Second Samuri, or Fire and Ice, or Fightin' Spirit, or Shadow Fighter, or the R-type ports, or Ruff n' Tumble, or Speedball 2. They're all fantastic games.
The best game on the format, IMO, is Lionheart. Wonderful game, I'm sure it would have been a huge hit had it come to the SNES or Genesis.
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You also have to keep in mind that this is running on hardware released in 1985.
Ha, man I like you Kamahl, your opinions mesh with mine pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Amiga's advanced hardware is actually what proved its undoing once games like Doom came out for the PC. Amiga developers' efforts to make Doom clones proved difficult. Most efforts used half of the screen and didn't run anywhere nearly as smooth. You didn't see a decent "Doom" for the Amiga until well after the source code was released.
Lionheart is an amazing game, it uses true parallax mode but manages to look really colorful. The foreground only has 7 colors per line, but you'd have tough time noticing, specially on this level. On the first area it's noticeable since the enemies share the same colors as the trees (a mistake IMO).
Another game that does that really well is Agony with a whopping 3 full parallax layers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvbgKOw1QFM&fmt=35
The AGA arquitecture (Amiga 1200 or CD32) is pretty shitty hardware, that's the problem. It WASN'T advanced at all, it was a slight upgrade to 1985 hardware. It was bound to fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastardcat
I think if the Amiga had....now loading....one major....now loading....flaw it was....now loading...the...now loading...load times. It really made me learn to appreciate my Tandy 1000's massive 10 megabyte hard drive.
The curse of floppy disks. Although clever programming and organization could mitigate that problem, as Factor 5 showed in their games (single disk, fast loadings, lots of data, specially in BC Kid and Turrican 3).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastardcat
Not all developers can be as good as those guys though. No one did more with less the way they could. To me they are the anti-thesis of Squaresoft, who could stretch a relatively short game across multiple discs, due to wasteful cut-scenes.