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Originally Posted by J Factor
I love how there's four pages of arguing about Saturn vs. PSX based on peripheral support. Fricking mouse games. That's got to be a first for me in my time on the internet. For my part, I just boxed up the PSX, PS2, and Wii because I hadn't touched them in months. My black Sega Sports Dreamcast is arriving today, so I'll have the consoles I care about wired up and in black...Xbox, 360, Saturn, Gen/32x/CD, and Dreamcast.
i so want to get my saturn modded
Yes LOL mouse support is why the PSx won and the Saturn failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genesis Knight
@gamevet
lol. I had to rep you after that.
I will have to rep you 3x: 1-For my ignorant rant against you, 2-For the Saturn info, 3-For the PS1 info, 'cause all those Japanese games that are cross platform are also compatible with the PS1 mouse and they were not in the MobyGames list as well.
Many games on that list also complements the PS1 list (you can check the links with images):
3D Lemmings (already listed)
Ai Iijima: Good Island Cafe(Saturn exclusive)
Arthur to Astaroth no Nazo-Makai-Mura: Incredible Toons
Atlantis: The Lost Tales (already listed)
Break Thru! (The PS1 version is very rare and undumped AFAIK. Never found it on eBay to buy...) (unchecked)
Can Can Bunny Extra(Saturn Exclusive)
Can Can Bunny Premiere(Saturn Exclusive)
Can Can Bunny Premiere 2(Saturn Exclusive)
Cat the Ripper
Chaos Control (already listed)
Crypt Killer
Cyberia (already listed)
Daisuki *(Saturn Exclusive)
Dark Seed (already listed)
Devil Summoner: Shin Megami Tensei: A compendium of Devils(Saturn Exclusive)
Dezaemon 2(Saturn Exclusive)
Digital Monster: Version S Digimon Tamers(Saturn Exclusive)
Discworld (already listed)
Discworld 2 (already listed)
Doukoku Soshite...(Saturn Exclusive)
Doukyusei if(Saturn Exclusive)
Doukyusei 2 (already listed)
Eiseimeijin
Eiseimeijin II (Eiseimeijin III for PS1 is also compatible)
E'tude Prologue(Saturn Exclusive)
Farland Story: Yottsu no Fuuin (IDK if it's exactly the same game)
Gakkou no Kaidan(Saturn Exclusive)
Game no Tatsujin
Game no Tatsujin 2
Game no Tatsujin: The Shanghai
Girls in Motion Puzzle Vol. 1: Hiyake no Omoide(Saturn Exclusive)
Girls in Motion Puzzle Vol. 2: Body Special 264(Saturn Exclusive)
GO III Professional(Saturn Exclusive)
Godzilla Rettoushinkan(Saturn Exclusive)
Gotha II: Tenkuu no Kishi
Jinzou Ningen Hakaider: Last Judgement(Saturn Exclusive)
Horror Tour(Saturn Exclusive)
Iron Storm(Saturn Exclusive)
Oracle no Houseki: Jewels of the Oracle
Kiss Yori...(Saturn Exclusive)
Kouryuu Sangoku Engi
Lemmings 3D (already listed)
Logic: Puzzle Rainbow Town
LuLu (There is a PS1 version but I couldn't find the information, no cover images, no downloads, no psxdata)
My Best Friends: St. Andrew Jogakuen Hen(Saturn Exclusive)
Myst (already listed)
Ochan no Oekaki Logic
Ochigee Designer Tsukutte Pon!(Saturn Exclusive)
Ojousama o Nerae(Saturn Exclusive)
Okudera Yasuhiko no Sekai o Mezase! Soccer Kids - Nyuumon Hen(Saturn Exclusive)
Phantasm(Saturn Exclusive)
Pia Carrot Yokoso!!(Saturn, PC, PC-FX; no PS1)
Pia Carrot Yokoso!! 2(Saturn, PC, PC-FX; no PS1)
Planet Joker(Saturn Exclusive)
Policenauts (already listed)
Prisoner of Ice
The Psychotron(PC, Saturn)
Quantum Gate I: Akumu no Joshou
Revolution X (already listed)
Riven: The Sequel to Myst (already listed)(Note: TecToy did a Portuguese translation for the Saturn)
Sakura Taisen games(no donut for the PS1)
Shanghai: Great Moments
Shanghai: Banri no Choujou (a.k.a. The Great Wall)
Shi Hashira Suina Pitagraph
Simulation Zoo
...
For those that I could verify and were cross-platform games they had mouse support in both systems.
Strange is that Snatcher is missing in the Saturn list.
I also discovered several other PS1 games using those developers... Thanks a lot.
Looks like that both SDKs provided mouse routines from 1995 and on OR the mouse routines were almost identical.
This is a different pattern than I've found in the 16-bit games: some SNES and Genesis cross-platforms just have mouse support in one version, even with the same developer.
@TU18
The thing is that your original point was different from what you said now. You were trying to show it by comparing those lists with the total amount of the games in library which was and still is nonsense.
KoolKitty89 got it right when he said that we should not trust on those lists and go for a per game/per genre comparison.
I was pretty wrong about the Saturn peripheral support being a mess... Since I believe that the same pattern can be applied for the other devices.
However, I don't understand why Sega went with that "style" of not provide the compatibility and additional info in the back cover. Heck, they use to have it with the Japanese Mega Drive games. Looks like that Sony copied the idea and they thrashed it. But today is very hard to find this compatibility info and it will need to go checking every game to see if a light gun is compatible or not; which is a very sad task to do.
@Baloo
Yes, the PS1 is pure profanity and I like that.
@Genesis Knight
The discussion went crazy about the mouse support since other members easily identified inconsistencies in the lists that I provided and my point of Saturn's peripheral support being a mess were based on that lists... So it went very far...
Although, some of those "Fricking mouse games" had some relevance, like Policenauts, Command & Conquer, Final Doom, Dune 2000... Some of those adventures, like Discworld don't hurt either.
@Da_Shocker
Nobody said that until you, but that was just one of the points inside one of the 6 items that I have listed as factors to dislike the Saturn... And that was in the context of Saturn having much less European support that PS1. IMO games like Constructor are much more enjoyable than hundreds of those Japanese Puzzle games...
Well, at least, some "new" info was retrieved.
And I was bloody wrong about the Saturn's peripheral support.
agostinhobaroners, it is called sarcasm my friend. :)
If I recall the Saturn steering wheel works with all of the racing games, sometimes it just requires configuration in the options menu. Any game that works with the steering wheel can also be made to work with the 3D Game pad, it isn't always perfect but it does work (without analog on the triggers).
This compatibility alone is more significant than Dual Analog/Shock support for PS1 games ever was. I have had a hell of a time getting any early PS1 games to work with the analog sticks at all.
@Da_Shocker
I knew it. I just answered to you.
I'm Brazilian, but it does not mean that I'm an idiot.
If I answer to a sarcastic phrase, it's why I didn't understand that... If I make a typo, it's why I don't know how to write and I'm writing in Engrish...
Heck, everybody makes mistakes, doesn't?
I can tell you that I have saw several native English speakers making more grammatical mistakes (and some nonsense phrases) in this board than I usually do, so just give me a break.
@sheath
There are some 3rd party PS1 controllers, like the Interact Barracuda, that do the same thing that you said about the 3D Controller: you can use the stick with all games.
And, yes, it's a great thing; mainly for isometric games.
No problem. I just blamed it on muchisimo. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by agostinhobaroners
Seriously, we can all have a civil (heated) discussion about subjects on this board, without it resorting to name calling and being rude.
Yeah, there were several games on the Saturn that I really thought should of had mouse support, but it wasn't enough to make me not want to play the console. I never had a mouse for the Playstation, but I thought Ultimate Doom played fine without it. I think Playstation is a great console, as do I with the PS2. Still, the Saturn is my all-time favorite console, because of Sega's arcade ports and the outstanding arcade games from Capcom, Taito, Technosoft and Treasure.
I know agostinhobaroners so is it true what they say about Brazilian women?
True story: My friend went down to Brazil for Foreign Echange. He had sex with 2 woman on the beach. An American girl he was with took pictures of the event with his camera, little to his knowledge. He got back home and had his pictures turned into slides to show the family. The Grandparents came over and Alex was showing the slides to the family, when all of the sudden a picture shows up with Alex being rode by the 2 girls. His grandparents leave the room, while Al notices his dad has a shit eating grin. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Da_Shocker
Dark isn't in this thread no more
(looks like my browser just is hating the "reply with quote" button)
@gamevet
I remember that we had some other previous very bad fights and, so, your first post, answering to me when I was answering to another guy sounded to me like something on purpose in that moment (mainly for the Sega CD comment) ; since we usually don't exchange civilized messages.
Anyway, the rough route is never a good way, so I apologize for that... But the Sega CD surely has more than two games that worth something.
Also, maybe my focus on the peripherals also sounded like something on purpose, but I just love controllers and peripherals. I have more than 30 MD controllers, from several models and I'm very fussy about this matter. My collection of PS1 controllers and peripherals are also growing faster... So I understand how this discussion about mouses and bla bla bla is useless for most of the guys but for me it makes sense.
Finally, my taste certainly is mainly for 16-bit games or, today, unpopular genres like FMV, point-and-click adventures (that's why I mentioned the Sega CD in my first post)... And I'm one of those that prefer SNK over Capcom fighters. So the appeal of the Saturn to me is not that great as it can be for the more "normal" 2D lovers.
@Da_Shocker
ahahahahahah
I'll tell you things based on what foreign people usually take wrong about Brazilian women:
1)Not all women here are whores, but in coastal cities there's a big sex commerce... Rio de Janeiro being the #1 IMO. However, it's dangerous as hell in all aspects and I really recommend you to do not search for this kind of "service".
2)Generally speaking, Brazilian people really like to make parties and all that stuff. Also, they usually love when some foreign person come to here, so you will automatically have a big extra bonus to meet and date with most of the girls.
3)Not every woman likes the music style called "Samba"; so many guys come here expecting it all the time and just get a huge "booooo".
4)Some people say something about the Brazilian women being the most beautiful or hottie or whotever but I really don't buy it. In certain places, you'll think that you arrived at the paradise. In others you'll be in hell. It also depends on your preferences.
I can assure you, though, that in cities like São Paulo you can find all kinds of people of all physical types and whatever from all over the world...
If you need more specific info, just send a PM.;)
@sheath
yuck!
@gamevet
lol
I like the PS2 when it looks like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by kool kitty89
http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/.../XBOXSMASH.jpg