Missing characters. This is just disgusting! That's why I'd rather play pirated Mortal Kombat II port on NES than either of the official Master System, Game Gear and Game Boy ports.
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Missing a few characters feels like throwing a wrench in the machine.
I was going to write something relevant to early arcade-to-console fighting game ports but GOD DAMN. Every time I see your avatar I go weak at the knees, even though she's a trap I still definitely would.
I actually quite enjoy the Mortal Kombat II ports for Game Gear and Game Boy, all things considered.
I was really annoyed that the SNES port of Wrestlemania the Arcade game did not have Bam Bam Bigelow and Yokozuna. Those were the 2 biggest/fattest characters and I guess the SNES wasnt able to handle them properly.
If the system can't handle additional characters (which may be needed or not) or inclusions, do you want a half-arsed game or none at all? I prefer it being done correctly then at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkDragon
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Wow I did not know that, that's quite a large omission..
I had to check Wikipedia for more info, and guess what I found?
Now I want to see his sprites!!! ;_;Quote:
A hidden character rumor about the game was recently confirmed in a discussion with Sal DiVita.
During a review of WWE All Stars by XboxAddict.com, writer Matt Paligaru revealed Adam Bomb was indeed hidden deep within the game.
The article stated: "he even confirmed the existing rumor that Adam Bomb is hidden within the annals of the game,
though he would not divulge how to obtain him, stating only that the character was incomplete and there was no sense in attempting to procure him"
So is someone gonna list all the early arcade-to-console fighting games ports that had missing characters ? I sure as heck aren't gonna do it.
I agree..Quote:
Originally Posted by JCU
At that for portable fighters like SF2 or MK...They did the best, I also like playing MK's on the Game Boy and the Game Gear
Dunno why, but something went horribly wrong with the SNES port of that game, which resulted in it being the worst port of them all. Aside from the missing characters, the SNES port only allowed 3 wrestlers on-screen (every other port allowed 4), was overall slower (especially w/3 wrestlers on screen), cut out a lot of McMahon and Lawler's commentary and lowered the damage done by special moves and combos.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkDragon
On-topic, missing characters on 16-Bit fighting game ports was uncommon, and when it happened it was either because of cart size constraints or hardware constraints (i.e. the omission of Earthquake in the Genesis and Sega CD ports of "Samurai Shodown"). Those fighting game ports to portable consoles were cash-ins first and foremost, and as a rule SUCKED. Forget the characters, you rarely if ever got even half of the playability of the original coin-op! Rare exceptions would have to be "Samurai Shodown" and "Fatal Fury Special" on Game Gear, two of the best, if not the best portable fighters of that era.
To expand on this, they even cut out parts of existing sound bytes from McMahon and Lawer. For example, on every other version, they call him "Brett the Hitman Heart" where on the SNES version, they call him "Brett *obvious cut* Heart"Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarzak
It's a really bad port.
They left out 2 main eventers? That'd be like if WWE 12 was ported to PS2, and they cut John Cena & Randy Orton ;sQuote:
Originally Posted by JCU
Also, shouldn't they be calling him Bret Hart, not Brett Heart? :p
EDIT: Forgot to mention, whilst I don't mind the cuts on 8-bit fighters too much, the fact that Raiden was cut from Mortal Kombat 2 SMS is absurd, when there are 3 ninjas, unless it's something to do with the fact that those 3 can easily be just palette swapped.
The PC got a real mixed bag of early fighter ports.
Street Fighter 1 and 2 were terrible.
Mortal Kombat 1 and 2 were incredible, and the Midi music gave the PC versions their own charm.
Now if they'd only cut out the other 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orchid87
The number of available characters affects the variety of gameplay. But I'd rather have only one character with perfect gameplay than a game with 100 characters and broken gameplay.
Back then we were just happy enough that we received a game. Hell, look at WWF Wrestlemania for the NES. Talk about junk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogogadget
In most of these cases I suspect it's not a question of whether the system can or can't handle it, but of trying to save money and avoid using a larger ROM size (hence e.g. keeping the palette-swapped ninjas). The only possible exception that comes to mind is Earthquake in Samurai Shodown, as Aarzak mentioned.
My guess is the Snes is only a 24-Meg cart while the Genesis is 32-Meg hence 2 slashed characters.Quote:
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I agree...the pirated MKs play like shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Tiger
Even in that case, the ROM size wouldn't have allowed for him either. They already had to cut around 75% of each characters moves just to fit it on a 24megabit cart. I don't even want to know what it would have been had it actually been possible for the Genesis to do a decent interpretation of Earthquake *shudders*.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenband
If there ever was a game that desperately needed a 32meg cart (a 40meg cart like SSFII would have been even better!) Samurai Shodown was it.
Samurai Shodown is worthy of a great port to Genesis, the fact that it doesn't have one is a little upsetting.
Japanese developers appeared to have been aversive to Mega Drive games bigger than 24-Meg, as very few games coming out of Japan topped that cart size. Only exceptions I can think of are SSFII and Virtua Fighter 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuxius
Though from what I understand though the PC port of Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo was great:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastardcat
Though I guess that's what happens when you have someone competent do the port. Seriously with their track record how did U.S. Gold get their hands on porting so many games?
This was the first, and for many years, only version of Super Street Fighter II I played. Many, many years later, when I picked up a genesis copy (long after my PC was no longer able to run its port of SSF2t due to CPU timing issues) I was wildly confused by the lack of super bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
The Dos port of SSF2t is indeed great, I still have it, big box and CD case and manual, in my gaming room right now in fact. It's waiting for my retro PC to be complete to get played again.
Best of all, it was compatible with the 6-button Megaman X PC game pad (which was also a great port). The terrible ports bastarcat mentioned aren't a symptom of the format, but rather the publisher - US Gold, who would often outsource computer game ports of top arcade games to the cheapest, absolute worst developers on the planet. US Gold is sort of the computer-world equivalent to LJN - they managed to get their hands on just about every desirable license to create computer ports (Dos, Amiga, Atari ST, C64, etc) and every single time, the result would be a terrible game.
I'm not sure what dev house Acclaim used for their PC ports, but they were awesome. Their WWF Wrestlemania, NFL Quarterback Club, and MK 1-3 ports were absolutely spectacular. It felt like you had a damn arcade machine in your house. they were that good. Capcom, after ditching US Gold, seems to have found themselves a similarly awesome port house, as Megaman X and SSF2t were also awesome. Resident Evil 2 and Street Fighter Alpha 2 also saw extremely high ports, with RE2 being probably the single best version of the game released during that era.
The best part about these PC ports at the time was the price. Those acclaim ports I got were bought from Sams Club for pennies. I'm talking like $3.99 a game. This wasn't years and years after they were released, either - the home console ports at the same time were running $50 a game. I'm guessing it was a combination of Sam's club offering super low prices (probably because they got them in bulk lol) and PC games in general being cheaper. The Capcom ports were pricier - maybe $20 a game, but still much cheaper than the home console versions at the time.
I miss that age of PC gaming. this was just about the time when the FPS era began, and it drove these PC ports away. When I think of great, classic PC gaming, I rarely think of FPS (outside of, say, Quake and Doom) but rather I think of all the awesome 2D games I played, like Jazz Jackrabbit or One Must Fall, or Raptor call of the shadows, and indeed, these PC ports. I had a lowly PC at the time, yet it could still run circles around all my home consoles.
BTW, about MK2 PC port. Was there a cd-audio version? MK1 and MK3 had those. MK2 I saw only with the MIDI music. Also why it is so jerky? Like it skips every second frame.
When they released a PC CD re-release of the first two MK games, MK got CD music, while MK2 didn't. Not sure why.
Great port anyway. Up there with the SNES version.
It was. I think out of all of the home ports it had the best looking graphics.
Saturn and PS1 ports had bigger sprites, but they sucked in other areas. So yeah, technologically it was the best. I can't believe it was made by Probe.
Yeah, that is a head scratcher, but with the law of averages they were bound to get a port or two right eventually.