If you could have only one system...

I skimmed over the last five pages and saw some crazy Zoltar posts flaming people for picking the wrong system and now see that he's been banned. The thing is, this wasn't even a "which console has the best library" poll, it was simply "if you could only have one". :p

History sure does tend to repeat itself. Zoltor seems incapable of understanding that a system might not have that great a library in his opinion, but it may just have a lot of favorites for someone which is the most important factor in choosing "only one".

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

History sure does tend to repeat itself. Zoltor seems incapable of understanding that a system might not have that great a library in his opinion, but it may just have a lot of favorites for someone which is the most important factor in choosing "only one".

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IMO the main "problem" is that he not even knew the libraries he was bashing.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

History sure does tend to repeat itself. Zoltor seems incapable of understanding that a system might not have that great a library in his opinion, but it may just have a lot of favorites for someone which is the most important factor in choosing "only one".

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It still only makes sense if one hates the MD, SCD, and 32X libraries, otherwise why not choose the MD which can play them all? For the console mounted Pause button? Perhaps at a stretch for its lightgun if that won't work through the MD since its lightgun library is so much better, but that would be it. And as little as I wish to play most of the 32X and SCD games along with even quite a few of MD pop titles I'm not throwing any of those out the window.
2 loopholes always occur in these polls. (1) The Genesis gets all its add-ons so everybody votes for it, either because that amounts to a lot of games they really do like or would like to try or because they don't want to snub Sega's entire 16 bit library on Sega-16. (2) Some machine capable of emulation is thrown in so everybody elects it despite its impoverished or sprawling library of proprietary crap.
A better poll would be which single Sega machine excepting the DC and w/o backwards or region switch compatibility would you take?

I agree with you StarMist.

However, I always try to give an answer to the OP (at least before use my "gift" to derail threads :p).
The OP was very subjective so all sorts of subjective and nonsense arguments could be used, like: "I voted for MD/Genesis/SCD/32X cause the CDX is very small and fits in all places.", "I voted for the PSX 'cause the PSOne has a neat LCD display to attach.", "I voted for the SMS 'cause it has the best 3D glasses library."...

The more subjective, the more inviting for trolling.

My 2 cents...

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Originally Posted by ThugsRook

many ppl here (myself included) have been playing SMS for 25 years...
spending an hour, or even a week playing ROMs on an Emu isnt gonna give you that experience.

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Yeah, the thing about emulators is they make everything too easy. If I start playing a rom of something and I don't like it much at first, I usually just quit within the first few minutes. Whereas if I was playing on a real console I usually give games more of a chance. For example, I got Sword of Sodan in a lot of games a while back and ended up playing through and beating it (er maybe, I know I got far enough to deem it beaten in my mind), whereas whenever I tried the rom I got halfway through the 1st level and called it quits. Although I'm not sure that's the best example since Sodan isn't really a game you should play under any circumstance.

Also, is the ban on Zoltor a permaban? What will we ever do without the Vidpro / complaints about high ebay prices topics?

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Originally Posted by Phantar

Well... yeah, based on personal opinion, I think the Phillips CD-i was a console that did, indeed, suck :p. Granted, the general idea of combining Media Center and gaming console into one device was great, and far ahead of it's time (The CD-i tried in 1991 what nowadays has come full circle in the form of Playstation 3 and XBox 360, or already with PS2, Xbox and Dreamcast if one wanted to be picky)

However, it had some of the most uncomfortable and unresponsive controllers ever conceived, the library of games was very limited, the few big-name titles were pretty bad... and while it had a few games one could call halfway decent (though those were mostle FMV games like Braindead 13 or the games produced by American Lasergames), it definitely lacked a killer app that would have helped it further down the road. Granted, I haven't played every game in the library, and I don't own the system, though I played a couple of rounds at a friends' house. From my limited experience, I'd say the best games for the CD-i were also available in better versions for other systems (like Flashback or The 7th Guest). The exclusive releases mostly sucked or were, at best, okay (though I somewhat enjoyed the Pinball game). Based on all these observations, I'd still say that the CD-i pretty much sucks, and from what I've experienced I have no intention of exploring that specific system any further. (The only point left to argue over would be whether or not one would count the CD-i as a "major" console :p)

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Burn: Cycle is great, Mutant Rampage is decent, and Litil Divil is okay (although it was also on CD32). It sucks, but it's not totally devoid of anything worthwhile. :p

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Originally Posted by JRedmond3

Also, is the ban on Zoltor a permaban? What will we ever do without the Vidpro / complaints about high ebay prices topics?

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I think the ban is only for a week, from what I read.

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Originally Posted by JRedmond3

Also, is the ban on Zoltor a permaban? What will we ever do without the Vidpro / complaints about high ebay prices topics?

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It's just a "one week" ban as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by agostinhobaroners

IMO the main "problem" is that he not even knew the libraries he was bashing.

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If a game is great, then every trend follower would have heard of it. If they haven't heard of it, then that's proof that it sucks. The more popular a game, the higher quality it must be. ;)

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

If a game is great, then every trend follower would have heard of it. If they haven't heard of it, then that's proof that it sucks. The more popular a game, the higher quality it must be. ;)

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Not always a given. There are some diamonds in the rough, and a lot of it is contingent on personal preference.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

If a game is great, then every trend follower would have heard of it. If they haven't heard of it, then that's proof that it sucks. The more popular a game, the higher quality it must be. ;)

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My objection is to the corollary Video Game Historiographer stance, viz that nobody is allowed an opinion w/o knowing every whit of worthless trivia. Don't like a game? Your opinion doesn't count because you haven't played every other game each of its programmers worked on during the course of his career. Zoltor clearly doesn't know the SMS library or even its hits but it's still far more reasonable to rail against a console for the twenty or fifty of its games one did try and dislikes rather than pontificate nobody knows anything about a console unless he's played its every game. Nor should anybody be demanded to shovel his way through a library of garbage just to find one gem. One could of course inquire what its best games may be but chances are if he does so and confesses already having played and disliked some of the canon every completist twit will instantly flame him and call him a troll.
And whilst emulation does encourage game skimming that doesn't remotely necessitate it bias one against games: knowing something deeper often means liking it less.

If you're not too familiar with a particular system's library, it's not too hard to ask around for recommendations, or even just Google "best SMS games" to start off with.

But rule #1 is don't be a twat, a rule for which he had a flagrant disregard.

I think if you're going to talk shit about a system, you really should fully explore its library. Most old systems have great emulation making that easier than ever.

As a kid I thought the Odyssey2 sucked. Years later I played games like Killer Bees!, Turtles, and KC's Krazy Chase and loved them. The system was better than my early impression of it. I wasn't qualified to judge the Odyssey2 in the early '80s. Today I am because I researched it enough.

I have never come across anyone with really good knowledge and taste in video games that wasn't a fan of the SMS and TG-16. Bashers of these have either already made up their minds due to stupid fanboy biases or they haven't given the systems proper chances.

Saturn, it just has the most to offer me personally, I'd trade in the wife before any of my Saturn kit.