The PSX Vs Saturn Poll.

Hello Sega Saturn fan, name some good racing games on your console!

Why certainly, there's Daytona and Sega Rally and Need for Speed, amazing games on an amazing console!



Hello Playstation owner, name some good racing games for your chosen console!

Why certainly, here are some that I enjoyed playing.

Ridge Racer
Ridge Racer 2
Ridge Racer 3
Ridge Racer 4
Porsche Challenge
Test Drive 4
Test Drive 5
Test Drive 6
Driver
Gran Turismo
Gran Turismo 2
The Need for Speed
Need for Speed 2
NFS III
Need for Speed: High Stakes
Need for Speed: Porsche Unleashed

And that's just the stuff I remember playing, the Saturn isn't a bad console at all, it just doesn't have enough choice,
so saying "Daytona and Panzer Dragoon and Shining Force 3" over and over again is just showing how limited the choice of games is on the Saturn.

Like I said before, I'm not hating.. but saying the Saturn is better then the PS1 is just silly.. just because it has like 5 amazing games
and a bunch of properly ported Capcom fighters does not make it superior to the juggernaut of choices that is PSX.

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

Your counting skills are lacking...

For every Panzer title, there's a couple dozen Final Fantasy games.
For every Datona and Sega Rally, there's a couple dozen Ridge Racer and Twisted Metal games.
For every Virtua Fighter title, there's a couple dozen Tekken games.
For every World Series Baseball, there's several dozen baseball games.
For every World Championship Soccer '98, there's several dozen soccer games.

The biggest advantage the PSX has over the Saturn is the range and number of titles released. The Saturn never came close, and it was made even worse that SOA never ported most of the Japanese titles, going so far as to scoff at the idea that US customers wanted RPGs.

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A lot of choice does not mean a lot of good choices though.
I'd take Panzer Dragoon Saga over any Final Fantasy on the PS1 easily.

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Originally Posted by NeoVamp

Hello Sega Saturn fan, name some good racing games on your console!

Why certainly, there's Daytona and Sega Rally and Need for Speed, amazing games on an amazing console!



Hello Playstation owner, name some good racing games for your chosen console!

Why certainly, here are some that I enjoyed playing.

Ridge Racer
Ridge Racer 2
Ridge Racer 3
Ridge Racer 4
Porsche Challenge
Test Drive 4
Test Drive 5
Test Drive 6
Driver
Gran Turismo
Gran Turismo 2
The Need for Speed
Need for Speed 2
NFS III
Need for Speed: High Stakes
Need for Speed: Porsche Unleashed

And that's just the stuff I remember playing, the Saturn isn't a bad console at all, it just doesn't have enough choice,
so saying "Daytona and Panzer Dragoon and Shining Force 3" over and over again is just showing how limited the choice of games is on the Saturn.

Like I said before, I'm not hating.. but saying the Saturn is better then the PS1 is just silly.. just because it has like 5 amazing games
and a bunch of properly ported Capcom fighters does not make it superior to the juggernaut of choices that is PSX.

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...enough said...

Another one of these, really?

The Saturn has a lot of really cool games, does it have a good original sonic game? Well no. But who cares? Nights was a lot of fun, Astal was really cool, and there was a lot of really nice arcade ports.

Does it have as many good games as the PSX does, well no, but it's not a terrible system. I've got about 30 games for the Saturn, I like playing them a lot. The system was marketed terribly out here, there was no way that it would have done as well as the PSX, but from what I hear if the good games for it were more available and there wasn't stupid decisions like "Saturn Day", had more games brought over from Japan, things would have turned out a lot differently.

With all this said, the Playstation has a lot of great games that even with the Saturn's Japanese library can't overtake. So my vote does go for the Playstation.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

A lot of choice does not mean a lot of good choices though.
I'd take Panzer Dragoon Saga over any Final Fantasy on the PS1 easily.

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I agree with this, however there were plenty of other great RPGs on the PSX that weren't Final Fantasy, Xenogears, Grandia (yeah I know this was on the Japanese Saturn first), and Suikoden for example.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

A lot of choice does not mean a lot of good choices though.
I'd take Panzer Dragoon Saga over any Final Fantasy on the PS1 easily.

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Yes, they're not all better, but a lot of that is subject to personal opinion. That is why having more choices is better - because not everybody likes the same thing. Personally, I don't care for Panzer Dragoon, so all the ranting about how great it is merits a shrug from me. I love Twisted Metal, but that garners a shrug from many others. What good is it to have the greatest console in the universe if it has three games, none of which you like?

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

I'd take Panzer Dragoon Saga over any Final Fantasy on the PS1 easily.

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I dont have a problem with that opinion as long as you admit you are in the minority. Me personally, FF VII was THE reason why I got a PSX and yeah we can look back and nitpick its faults apart but to a 13 year old boy back in the late 90's it was THE BEST. If you were a teen/young adult back when the FF PSX games came out I suspect you'd think differently. You didnt grow up with any of those games so you have the benefit of hindsight.

They're both awesome, it's hard to choose. I like them for different reasons. Saturn has Sega's games, obviously, and (if you're willing to drop $25 on a PAR) a large library of great shooters and fighters, not to mention my favorite controller of all time. PSX has a lot of RPG and RPG-hybrid games, and I would argue that it's pretty much the system to own for fans of the genre. That's when Squaresoft was, imo, at its creative peak.

On the Saturn there's NiGHTS + Christmas NiGHTS, Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon (all of them, especially Saga), Guardian Heroes, Sega Rally Championship, Shinobi Legions (I don't care what anyone says, this game is awesome), Sonic Jam (the extras do it for me, as well as the ability to save your progress in Sonic 1 or 2, and the time trials), Daytona USA and Fighters Megamix. There are others still that I own but haven't played yet, such as Shining the Holy Ark, which I've heard great things about. And there are a bunch of weird/cool honorable mentions like Mr. Bones and Sonic R, and then a bunch of stuff I don't have but I want.

On the PSX for me there's Vagrant Story (the best game on the system), Wild ARMs, Suikoden & Suikoden II, Final Fantasy Tactics, Ogre Battle (SNES port, but it features the ability to save in battle and when battles can take up to 3 hours to complete, the importance of this cannot be understated), Tactics Ogre, Xenogears, SaGa Frontier (unfinished but infinitely replayable mess of a game that it is), Legend of Mana, PaRappa the Rapper, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night and Final Fantasy VII (not my favorite in the series, but in my top 5 at least). There are tons of others that I can't remember, or haven't played yet. And of course, PSX has games for every other genre under the sun as well, those are just the ones I love it for.

So I wouldn't want to settle for only having a Saturn or a PSX, and in 2012 there's no reason I should have to.

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Originally Posted by DarkDragon

I dont have a problem with that opinion as long as you admit you are in the minority. Me personally, FF VII was THE reason why I got a PSX and yeah we can look back and nitpick its faults apart but to a 13 year old boy back in the late 90's it was THE BEST. If you were a teen/young adult back when the FF PSX games came out I suspect you'd think differently. You didnt grow up with any of those games so you have the benefit of hindsight.

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He's only in the minority because way more people have played FF games. It was obviously on a way more popular system with a much larger advertising budget and in an established franchise. Among the small group that played both back in the day, PDS ranks high.

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Originally Posted by NeoVamp

Hello Sega Saturn fan, name some good racing games on your console!

Why certainly, there's Daytona and Sega Rally and Need for Speed, amazing games on an amazing console!



Hello Playstation owner, name some good racing games for your chosen console!

Why certainly, here are some that I enjoyed playing.

Ridge Racer
Ridge Racer 2
Ridge Racer 3
Ridge Racer 4
Porsche Challenge
Test Drive 4
Test Drive 5
Test Drive 6
Driver
Gran Turismo
Gran Turismo 2
The Need for Speed
Need for Speed 2
NFS III
Need for Speed: High Stakes
Need for Speed: Porsche Unleashed
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Add these racers to your Saturn list:
High Velocity
Touge King The Spirits 2
Sega Touring Car Championship
Daytona USA CCE/Circuit Edition (If you can list RR and GT and all their sequels, we can add these too)
Wangan Dead Heat
Initial D
Drift King 97 (I may have the name for this one wrong)
Virtua Racing
Gran Chaser
Scorcher (I'm pretty sure this ones a racer)
Hi-Octane
GT24
Manx TT Super Bike
Hang On GP 95
Nascar 98

And we could also throw in Wipeout, Wipeout XL, and Destruction Derby if we wanted. Also don't forget Outrun and Power Drift. There's probably a few others I've forgotten as well. I know there's some more sports related racing games as well as a couple import titles I've forgotten. The reason people constantly mention Daytona and Sega Rally is because those are typically the most popular and well known racers. It's not because those are the only ones on the system.

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Originally Posted by 16-bit

I agree with this, however there were plenty of other great RPGs on the PSX that weren't Final Fantasy, Xenogears, Grandia (yeah I know this was on the Japanese Saturn first), and Suikoden for example.

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I know I know, Xenogears and Suikoden are awesome for sure. I was just making a point :p (I'd still take Panzer Dragoon Saga over any of them, but probably not ALL of them)
Being a shooter fan the Saturn will always be a system of choice for me, the best there is for the PS just doesn't appeal to me, with the exception of Einhander. And even then I find it overrated compared to Radiant Silvergun.
EDIT: Oh and R-Type Delta, R-Type Delta is pretty awesome too.

The PS1, because it has many more games worth playing.
The biggest mistake Sega made with the Saturn is not giving us Sonic 4, SoR 4, Golden Axe 4, Phantasy Star V, etc. Instead, we got all these lame new IPs nobody cared about. I guess people needed more time to let those games sink in.
If the Saturn is that good at 2d, why not give us a 2d Sonic, instead of the abomination I won't even mention. Seems like Sega had no idea what they were going for.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

I know I know, Xenogears and Suikoden are awesome for sure. I was just making a point :p (I'd still take Panzer Dragoon Saga over any of them, but probably not ALL of them)
Being a shooter fan the Saturn will always be a system of choice for me, the best there is for the PS just doesn't appeal to me, with the exception of Einhander. And even then I find it overrated compared to Radiant Silvergun.

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Suikoden is on the Saturn...

Not saying it is trash by any means, but I could like Saturn more if the graphics were not so grainy. It hurts my eyes sometimes playing Saturn games.

PS1 games aren't gorgeous beauties either.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

PS1 games aren't gorgeous beauties either.

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Depends on the game. Einhander definately is.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Add these racers to your Saturn list:
High Velocity
Touge King The Spirits 2
Sega Touring Car Championship
Daytona USA CCE/Circuit Edition (If you can list RR and GT and all their sequels, we can add these too)
Wangan Dead Heat
Initial D
Drift King 97 (I may have the name for this one wrong)
Virtua Racing
Gran Chaser
Scorcher (I'm pretty sure this ones a racer)
Hi-Octane
GT24
Manx TT Super Bike
Hang On GP 95
Nascar 98

And we could also throw in Wipeout, Wipeout XL, and Destruction Derby if we wanted. Also don't forget Outrun and Power Drift. There's probably a few others I've forgotten as well. I know there's some more sports related racing games as well as a couple import titles I've forgotten. The reason people constantly mention Daytona and Sega Rally is because those are typically the most popular and well known racers. It's not because those are the only ones on the system.

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Sadly none of those are better than the Gran Turismo series. Not in graphics, sound, gameplay, replayability, content, or anything. Unless of course you have no patience at all and therefore cannot stand simulation racers.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Suikoden is on the Saturn...

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Not in English. Which was a terrible problem, there could have been a lot of really nice RPGs out here in North America on the Saturn, Grandia, Suikoden, Far East of Eden the Fourth Apocalypse, but marketing and the fact that Working Designs sort of sucked at picking projects to bring over here on the Saturn. RPGs weren't all that popular in the console market back then, but if the Saturn had some really good English releases of those games things could have turned out at least a little bit better. It's a sadness I tell ya, such a sadness.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Suikoden is on the Saturn...

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Number 2 isn't AFAIK.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

A lot of choice does not mean a lot of good choices though.
I'd take Panzer Dragoon Saga over any Final Fantasy on the PS1 easily.

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This was my point, and the whole reason why I enjoy the Saturn more than the Playstation. The PSX may have quantity, but the Saturn has QUALITY!

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Suikoden is on the Saturn...

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In Japan...

I don't speak/read Japanese, so the fact that Grandia and Suikoden are also on Saturn doesn't really make any difference to me. I refuse to play an RPG with a translation guide (ruins the immersion for me), and since both of those titles are available in America in English on the PSX, I don't know why anyone would bother with the Japanese versions. Unless they actually can read Japanese.

I would like to pick up a copy of Genso Suikoden on the Saturn just to have it in my collection because I'm a huuuuuge Suikoden fan, and I probably could make it through without too much trouble since I've finished the game multiple times on the PSX, but to me it's kind of a silly argument to make in the Saturn's favor.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

Number 2 isn't AFAIK.

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Yup, Suikoden II is only available on the PSX, and since it's arguably better than the first game (depending on who you argue with... I still champion the first game), and since having a "perfect" save file unlocks some awesome bonus content in SII, there's yet another reason to play it over the Saturn version.

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Originally Posted by DarkDragon

Depends on the game. Einhander definately is.

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And Radiant Silvergun looks leagues better.

And honestly I find Gran Turismo overrated.

As for owning certain Japanese RPGs on Saturn, the reason is obvious. Certain ones like Grandia are significantly better on the Saturn.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

This was my point, and the whole reason why I enjoy the Saturn more than the Playstation. The PSX may have quantity, but the Saturn has QUALITY!

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You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Baloo again.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

As for owning certain Japanese RPGs on Saturn, the reason is obvious. Certain ones like Grandia are significantly better on the Saturn.

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Suikoden isn't significantly better.

I don't really care if Grandia is technically a better game on the Saturn or not; the PSX version is playable in a language I can understand, and in a genre where storytelling is such an important aspect of game design, that is a much more important factor. Slogging through pages of Japanese dialogue with a translation FAQ at my side is not my idea of a good time.

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Originally Posted by Mr Smith

The Saturn is a worthless black box with overrated games and an overexcited group of hardcore followers. It was an utter flop as a console and its Sonic games sucked - anybody who says they liked Sonic Jam deserves to be banned from Sega-16 instantly. If the Saturn were a person it would be unemployed and have lost its virginity to its cousin. I get more pleasure out of going to the dentist than playing a Saturn. Face the facts: the Playstation won this archaic question. Close this thread.

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Wait, what? Sonic Jam was awesome! As for Sat vs PS1, they don't compare. PS1 shits on the Saturn IMO; and please don't bring up the pad, there is such a thing as adapters and 3rd party pads. EDIT: Let me add to that. I love the Saturn, fantastic games, great control pad, brillant console all-round. But compared to the PS1? No. Too many brillant games that overshadow the ones on the Saturn, so, so easily.

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Originally Posted by jerry coeurl

Suikoden isn't significantly better.

I don't really care if Grandia is technically a better game on the Saturn or not; the PSX version is playable in a language I can understand, and in a genre where storytelling is such an important aspect of game design, that is a much more important factor. Slogging through pages of Japanese dialogue with a translation FAQ at my side is not my idea of a good time.

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It still doesn't negate the fact that those games are not PS1 exclusives, and some are better on the Saturn. And in this day and age you can always play both versions. I played Grandia on the PS1 first, then I got the Saturn version and enjoyed it a lot more for the following reasons:

1) The frame rate is much more stable
2) The sound quality is better
3) The spell effects are nicer
4) The backgrounds are nicer looking
5) The scenery looks better
6) The Japanese voices are better
7) The game doesn't randomly crash like the PS1 version does. I can't even count the number of times Grandia crashed for me on my PS2. Every time I played it it was pretty much a race to the save point before it crashed.

If you know the story, there's no reason to own the PS1 version of the Saturn version. The Saturn version is just better.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Add these racers to your Saturn list:
High Velocity = good
Touge King The Spirits 2 = decent
Sega Touring Car Championship = decent
Daytona USA CCE/Circuit Edition (If you can list RR and GT and all their sequels, we can add these too) = no thanks
Wangan Dead Heat = decent
Initial D = fucking broken and also on PS, a half anime game that incredibly got a sequel on PS2. For this sort of mix prefer Code R which is SS exclusive.
Drift King 97 (I may have the name for this one wrong) = not sure
Virtua Racing = no thanks
Gran Chaser = very thin Wipeout knockoff
Scorcher (I'm pretty sure this ones a racer) = yes it's a racer and unique; very solid, smooth polygons despite short draw. Good game.
Hi-Octane = good
GT24 = don't know
Manx TT Super Bike = no bikes please
Hang On GP 95 = no bikes please
Nascar 98 = no Nascar ever

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My opinion of Ridge Racer and GT couldn't be lower so anything labeled 'good' is in the Saturn's favour. Not that the PS hasn't other racers besides, but naming RR and GT means anything on the Saturn is fair game to be named in opposition.

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Originally Posted by jerry coeurl

I would like to pick up a copy of Genso Suikoden on the Saturn just to have it in my collection because I'm a huuuuuge Suikoden fan, and I probably could make it through without too much trouble since I've finished the game multiple times on the PSX, but to me it's kind of a silly argument to make in the Saturn's favor.

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While you're at it you might pick up the Playstation's 2 text adventure gaiden if only for collecting purposes.

edit = @ RSG vs Einhander: Einhander all the way in every dept unless one's looking for sheer challenge. IS is cool too. Square can make good shooters.

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Originally Posted by Olls

Sadly none of those are better than the Gran Turismo series.

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Dude, don't even dignify that post with a reply, half of the games he listed are clearly trash, most of them were struggling to get 6/10 in 1995 ffs.

Hi-Octane is mediocre, worse still the damn game is superior on Playstation anyway. Sega Touring Cars is awful, GT24 is mediocre, Hang On GP is mediocre and controls like crap, Wangan Dead Heat is meh.

This is the sort of list which basically proves a console has a weakness, because its barrel scraping of the highest calibur.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

It still doesn't negate the fact that those games are not PS1 exclusives, and some are better on the Saturn. And in this day and age you can always play both versions. I played Grandia on the PS1 first, then I got the Saturn version and enjoyed it a lot more for the following reasons:

1) The frame rate is much more stable
2) The sound quality is better
3) The spell effects are nicer
4) The backgrounds are nicer looking
5) The scenery looks better
6) The Japanese voices are better
7) The game doesn't randomly crash like the PS1 version does. I can't even count the number of times Grandia crashed for me on my PS2. Every time I played it it was pretty much a race to the save point before it crashed.

If you know the story, there's no reason to own the PS1 version of the Saturn version. The Saturn version is just better.

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If you have to play the PSX version first to understand the Saturn version, then that should close this thread.

One thing I never understood about Sega-16 is that people go to such lengths to try and prove their opinions right!

I mean after all, it's just an opinion, we've all got different ones. I like it when we all share our opinions and why, even better when we don't bicker over who's wrong and who's right because you know, we're all right. :)

Liquid Kids, Hyper Duel, Hansha de Spark, Saturn Bomberman, Bomberman Fight, Shining the Holy Ark, Elevator Action Returns, Metal Black, Daytona USA CE and on and on...
they are all more pleasing to me than say Harmful Park, Raiden DX, Zanac Neo, Gamera 2000, any Final Fantasy, Hermie Hopperhead, Jumping Flash, Namco Museums.. etc etc

A year or more ago I would have said Playstation wins just because of the huge amount and variety of games available as well as peripherals. As I have mentioned repeatedly elsewhere: after going back to Saturn after years of mainly playing PSX/PS2, Saturn provides much more enjoyment - end of story.

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Dude, don't even dignify that post with a reply, half of the games he listed are clearly trash, most of them were struggling to get 6/10 in 1995 ffs.

Hi-Octane is mediocre, worse still the damn game is superior on Playstation anyway. Sega Touring Cars is awful, GT24 is mediocre, Hang On GP is mediocre and controls like crap, Wangan Dead Heat is meh.

This is the sort of list which basically proves a console has a weakness, because its barrel scraping of the highest calibur.

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I didn't say they were all great racers, simply that there were more racers than Sega Rally and Daytona. I don't really consider Ridge Racer and it's sequels to be that great either. I'd rate Sega Rally, Sega Touring Car, and Daytona above the Ridge Racer franchise any day of the week.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

I didn't say they were all great racers

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While I on the other hand posted a list of great racers, had I chosen to pad it up with more unknown/undesirable stuff the list would have been like 3x as long.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

I don't really consider Ridge Racer and it's sequels to be that great either

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, my opinion is that it offers a great racing experience, on par with Daytona, except on PSX there's 4! :D

I am sure all these games are great but I still prefer spending my time with Sega Rally and Daytona CE

The quantity of quality titles being far and away on the PS1's side argument doesn't hold much weight for me. Take every quality game for the Saturn, throw in a ton of licensed games and sports games that actually do degrade the quality of the library, and add 3-6 sequels to said quality games released years after the Saturn was even on the market, and you have the Playstation library.

Would the Saturn library be "far and away better" if it had:

Tthree or four different annual sports franchises for every sport
Multiple unremarkable games for every Disney Pixar movie
The Army men games
and two sequels for every top tier Saturn title?

No, that would make the Saturn library worse.

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Originally Posted by NeoVamp

While I on the other hand posted a list of great racers, had I chosen to pad it up with more unknown/undesirable stuff the list would have been like 3x as long.

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Great is debatable. I've always found Ridge Racer to look crappy and I never have had the desire to play any of them since I played them years ago.

For racing games on the Saturn that I'd consider great I'd list the following:
Daytona USA
Daytona USA CCE/CE
Sega Rally Championship
Sega Touring Car Championship
High Velocity / Touge King the Spirits
Touge King the Spirits 2
Cyber Speedway / Gran Chaser
Need for Speed
Drift King 97
Outrun
Power Drift
Sonic R
Street Racer
Scorcher

I'd say that's a pretty good list of racing games on the Saturn.

I haven't read this whole thread, but I will just say that I love both, but have to give the (slight) nod to the Saturn.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Great is debatable. I've always found Ridge Racer to look crappy and I never have had the desire to play any of them since I played them years ago.

For racing games on the Saturn that I'd consider great I'd list the following:
Daytona USA
Daytona USA CCE/CE
Daytona USA 2
Daytona USA 3
Daytona USA 4
Sega Rally Championship
Sega Rally 2
Sega Rally 3
Sega Touring Car Championship
Sega Touring Car Championship 2
Sega TouringCar Championship 3
High Velocity / Touge King the Spirits
Touge King the Spirits 2
Touge King the Spirits 3
Touge King the Spirits 4
Cyber Speedway / Gran Chaser
Cyber Speedway 2
Cyber Speedway 3
Need for Speed
Need for Speed 2
Need for Speed 3 Hot Persuit
Need for Speed High Stakes
Need for Speed Porche
Drift King 97
Drift King 98
Drift King 99
Drift King 00
Drift King 01
Outrun
Outrun 2
Cyber Outrun
Outrun to Space
Power Drift
Power Drift 2
Power Drift 3
Sonic R
Sonic R 2
Sonic R 3
Street Racer
Street Racer 2
Street Racer 3
Scorcher
Scorcher 2
Scorchier

I'd say that's a pretty good list of racing games on the Saturn.

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I agree completely, and I've padded the list as though the Saturn had lasted until 2002, Sega was like Namco and other Playstation third parties, and EA wasn't a bunch of "only one console market" douche bags.

It's not like the Saturn has a library as small as the 32X or anything. Both the Saturn and Playstation have enough exclusives that are popular with enough people to justify the consoles. If the Playstation had every game that the Saturn does and more, that would be one thing. Both have great unique games that you can't get anywhere else. So although you don't have to like either, it's stupid to call someone else stupid for liking either or none or dismissing either as garbage.

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I don't know why anyone would bother with the Japanese versions. Unless they actually can read Japanese.

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I've been playing Japanese versions of games which have translations somewhere since the mid-nineties. I can't really understand kanji, but can read katakana and hiragana, but even before I could I played through every Japanese RPG I could get my hands on, without any guides to help. During periods when I couldn't justify keeping SNES versions of RPGs I don't need to read the "stories" of, I'd just play the SFC versions that I got for $5 - $10 each instead. Snatcher for Sega-CD helped me fill in the small gaps and confirmed the rest of what I'd assumed about the PCE version of Snatcher. It was cool to rent Lunar SSS, Lunar EB and Grandia bitd, after playing through the Saturn versions that I owned several times, just to flesh out the story a bit more. It never seemed worthwhile to try them in English again after that. I've loved RPGs since the 8-bit generation, but I actually enjoy the gameplay. At one point magazines began telling people that all that mattered for RPGs is the story, even though the story sucks in most English RPGs. If the story was the most important factor, then why bother playing RPGs at all and not just play digital comic games or watch anime instead?

I don't expect everyone who isn't fluent in Japanese to enjoy Japanese language RPGs, but there are many of us who do.

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Great is debatable. I've always found Ridge Racer to look crappy and I never have had the desire to play any of them since I played them years ago.

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I agree completely...

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There's a reason that Daytona USA arcade machines are still in use all over the place and Ridge Racer are not. Same reason it was brought to current consoles. Daytona USA is one of those perfect, timeless games that captured that magic quality that similar timeless games have that can't be compensated against with tech specs, quantity of content, brand power or anything else. A port of Daytona USA with unpopular 3D graphics is still unmatched by a bunch of forgettable 'in the moment' racers. Sega Rally is another special classic Sega game that made the number one priority fun. They were both so successful at being entertaining that 3 tracks was enough. Some people prefer war sims to Metal Slug or sports management games to real-time sports games. So although not everyone can appreciate the arcade style nature of Daytona and Sega Rally, either alone justifies the console and did for me at the early launch.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

I've been playing Japanese versions of games which have translations somewhere since the mid-nineties. I can't really understand kanji, but can read katakana and hiragana, but even before I could I played through every Japanese RPG I could get my hands on, without any guides to help. During periods when I couldn't justify keeping SNES versions of RPGs I don't need to read the "stories" of, I'd just play the SFC versions that I got for $5 - $10 each instead. Snatcher for Sega-CD helped me fill in the small gaps and confirmed the rest of what I'd assumed about the PCE version of Snatcher. It was cool to rent Lunar SSS, Lunar EB and Grandia bitd, after playing through the Saturn versions that I owned several times, just to flesh out the story a bit more. It never seemed worthwhile to try them in English again after that. I've loved RPGs since the 8-bit generation, but I actually enjoy the gameplay. At one point magazines began telling people that all that mattered for RPGs is the story, even though the story sucks in most English RPGs. If the story was the most important factor, then why bother playing RPGs at all and not just play digital comic games or watch anime instead?

I don't expect everyone who isn't fluent in Japanese to enjoy Japanese language RPGs, but there are many of us who do.

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Like you, I can also read Hiragana and Katakana, but know very little Kanji, and I had to teach myself what I know. I can't really understand much of the dialogue between characters, but I can at least read most, if not everything in the status menus.