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If you're playing a game with CD acting, it doesn't take long to pick up the commonly used vocabulary in games and anime. I'd only been playing Japanese CD games for a few years when I met a Japanese exchange student who confirmed all the spoken words I'd learned. The only word that stumped her, when I asked what it meant, was "Deisada". I eventually figured out that it was supposed to be "Death Adder". :pQuote:
Originally Posted by eddiespruce
A Diehard Sega fan (arcade) was buying that console near launch. The Saturn was the Sega console I'd been waiting for, ever since they started adding the Sega CD and 32X to extend the life of the Genesis. My appreciation of Sega started in the arcades, long before the Master System and Genesis; the Saturn was finally the console that could deliver that experience in the home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Those were great, but some of my favorites were Shining: The Holy Ark, Galactic Attack, Iron Storm, Last Gladiators, Shining Force 3, Sega Rally, Burning Rangers and Gun Griffon.Quote:
Still, I don't care about Sega, only games like Radiant Silvergun, Guardian Heroes, Thunderforce 5 and Panzer Dragoon Zwei. So Saturn ftw.
There are a lot of great titles for the Saturn. Everyone lists the same popular titles over and over again, but there are many solid titles that get lost in the shuffle. The North American list has plenty of great titles to play, before having to look at the import games for something to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoVamp
http://www.gamefaqs.com/saturn/916393-saturn/faqs/7161
001 - 3D Baseball
002 - Albert Odyssey: The Legend of Eldean
003 - Alien Trilogy
004 - All-Star Baseball
005 - Alone in the Dark: One-Eyed Jack's Revenge
006 - A.M.O.K.
007 - Andretti Racing
008 - Arcade's Greatest Hits: Atari
009 - Arcade's Greatest Hits: Williams
010 - Area 51
011 - Astal
012 - Baku Baku
013 - Bases Loaded '96
014 - Batman Forever: The Arcade Game
015 - Battle Arena Toshinden Remix
016 - Battle Arena Toshinden Ultimate Revenge Attack
017 - Battle Monsters
018 - Battle Stations
019 - Battlesport
020 - Black Dawn
021 - Black Fire
022 - Blast Chamber
023 - Blazing Dragons
024 - Blazing Heroes
025 - Braindead 13
026 - Breakpoint Tennis
027 - Bubble Bobble: Featuring Rainbow Islands
028 - Bug!
029 - Bug Too!
030 - Burning Rangers
031 - Bust-A-Move-2: Arcade Edition
032 - Bust-A-Move-3
033 - Casper
034 - Center Ring Boxing
035 - Clockwork Knight
036 - Clockwork Knight 2
037 - College Slam
038 - Command and Conquer
039 - Congo
040 - Contra: Legacy of War
041 - Corpse Killer
042 - Courier Crisis
043 - Creature Shock
044 - Crime Wave
045 - Criticom
046 - Croc: Legend of the Gobbos
047 - Crow: City of Angels
048 - Crusader: No Remorse
049 - Crypt Killer
050 - Cyber Speedway
051 - Cyberia
052 - D
053 - Darius Gaiden
054 - Dark Legend
055 - Dark Savior
056 - Darklight Conflict
057 - Daytona USA
058 - Daytona USA: Championship Circuit Edition
059 - Daytona USA: Championship Circuit Netlink Edition
060 - Decathlete
061 - Defcon 5
062 - Die Hard Arcade
063 - Die Hard Trilogy
064 - Doom
065 - Double Switch
066 - Dragon Force
067 - Dragon Heart: Fire and Steel
068 - Duke Nuke'm 3D
069 - Earthworm Jim 2
070 - Enemy Zero
071 - F1 Challenge
072 - FIFA Soccer '96
073 - FIFA Soccer '97
074 - FIFA World Cup Soccer '98
075 - Fighters Megamix
076 - Fighting Vipers
077 - Frank Thomas' Big Hurt Baseball
078 - Galactic Attack
079 - Galaxy Fight
080 - Gex
081 - Ghen War
082 - Golden Axe: The Duel
083 - Grand Slam '96
084 - Grid Runner
085 - Guardian Heroes
086 - Gun Griffon
087 - Hang-On GP
088 - Heir of Zendor
089 - Herc's Adventures
090 - Hexen
091 - Hi-Octane
092 - Hi Velocity
093 - Highway 2000
094 - Horde, The
095 - House of the Dead, The (bad port but still fun)
096 - Hyper 3D Pinball
097 - Impact Racing
098 - In the Hunt
099 - Incredible Hulk, The
100 - Independence Day
101 - Iron Man/X-O Man-O-War: Heavy Metal
102 - Iron Storm
103 - John Madden '97
104 - John Madden '98
105 - Johnny Bazookatone
106 - Last Bronx
107 - Last Gladiators: Digital Pinball
108 - Legend of Oasis
109 - Loaded
110 - Lost World, The: Jurassic Park 2
111 - Lunacy
112 - Machinehead
113 - Magic Carpet
114 - Magic Knight Rayearth
115 - Mansion of the Hidden Souls
116 - Manx TT Superbike
117 - Marvel Super Heroes
118 - Mass Destruction
119 - Maximum Force
120 - Mech Warrior II
121 - Megaman 8: Anniversary Collector's Edition
122 - Megaman X4
123 - MLBPA: Bottom of the Ninth
124 - Minnesota Fats Pool Legend
125 - Mortal Kombat II
126 - Mortal Kombat Trilogy
127 - Mr. Bones
128 - Myst
129 - Mystaria: The Realms of Lore
130 - Nascar '98
131 - NBA Action
132 - NBA Action '98
133 - NBA Jam Extreme
134 - NBA Jam Tournament Edition
135 - NBA Live '97
136 - NBA Live '98
137 - Need For Speed, The (I'm a little burned out on this one, but it was fun back in the day)
138 - NFL '97
139 - NFL Quarterback Club '96
140 - NFL Quarterback Club '97
141 - NHL '97
142 - NHL '98
143 - NHL All-Star Hockey
144 - NHL All-Star Hockey '98
145 - NHL Break-Away '96
146 - NiGHTS into Dreams...
147 - Nightwarriors: Darkstalker's Revenge
148 - Norse by Norsewest: The Lost Vikings 2
149 - Off-World Interceptor Extreme
150 - Olympic Soccer
151 - Pandemonium
152 - Panzer Dragoon
153 - Panzer Dragoon II Zwei
154 - Panzer Dragoon Saga
155 - Pebble Beach Golf
156 - PGA Tour '97
157 - Powerslave
158 - Primal Rage
159 - Pro Pinball
160 - P.T.O. II: Pacific Theatre of Operations II
161 - Quake
162 - Quarterback Attack
163 - Rampage: World Tour
164 - Rayman
165 - Resident Evil
166 - Revolution-X
167 - Rise 2: Resurrection
168 - Road Rash
169 - Robo Pit
168 - Robotica
169 - Romance of the III Kingdoms IV: Wall of Fire
170 - Saturn Bomberman
171 - Scorcher
172 - Scud: The Disposable Assassin
173 - Sega Ages: Afterburner, Outrun, Space Harrier
174 - Sega Rally Championship plus International Rally
175 - Sega Rally Championship plus International Rally: Netlink Edition
176 - Sega Touring Car Championship (this isn't a great port, but it's still fun to play)
177 - Sega Worldwide Soccer '97
178 - Sega Worldwide Soccer '98
179 - Shanghai Triple Threat
180 - Shell Shock
181 - Shining Force III
182 - Shining the Holy Ark
183 - Shining Wisdom
184 - Shinobi Legions
185 - Shockwave Assault
186 - Sim City 2000
187 - Skeleton Warriors
188 - Sky Target
189 - Slam & Jam '96
190 - Solar Eclipse
191 - Sonic 3D Blast
192 - Sonic Jam
193 - Sonic R
194 - Soviet Strike
195 - Space Hulk
196 - Space Jam
197 - Spot Goes To Hollywood
198 - Star Fighter
199 - Steep Slope Sliders
200 - Street Fighter Alpha: Warrior's Dreams
201 - Street Fighter Alpha 2
202 - Street Fighter Collection
203 - Street Fighter: The Movie
204 - Striker '96
205 - Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo
206 - Tempest 2000 (I like this version over that of the Jag)
207 - Ten Pin Alley
208 - Tetris Plus!
209 - Theme Park
210 - Three Dirty Dwarves
211 - Thunderstrike 2
212 - TNN Motorsports: Hardcore 4x4
213 - Tomb Raider
214 - True Pinball
215 - Tunnel B1
216 - Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3
217 - Valora Valley Golf
218 - Virtua Cop
219 - Virtua Cop 2
220 - Virtua Fighter
221 - Virtua Fighter 2
222 - Virtua Fighter Kids
223 - Virtua Fighter Remix
224 - Virtua Racing
225 - Virtual Casino
226 - Virtual Hydlide
227 - Virtual-On: Cyber Troopers
228 - Virtual-On: Cyber Troopers: Netlink Edition
229 - Virtual Open Tennis
230 - VR Golf
231 - VR Soccer
232 - Warcraft 2: The Dark Saga
233 - Wing Arms (highly under-rated)
234 - Winning Post
235 - Winter Heat
236 - Wipeout
237 - World Cup Golf Pro
238 - World Series Baseball
239 - World Series Baseball II
240 - World Series Baseball '98
241 - Worldwide Soccer: Sega International Victory Goal Edition
242 - Worms
243 - WWF In Your House
244 - WWF Wrestlemenia: The Arcade Game
245 - X-Men: Children of the Atom
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And onto the demo list:
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01 - Bootleg CD Sampler
02 - Bootleg CD Sampler II
03 - Christmas NiGHTS into Dreams... Sampler
04 - NiGHTS into Dreams... Sampler
05 - Panzer Dragoon Playable Demo
06 - Rayman Playable Demo
Because Ridge Racer was ported well to a console with a huge userbase and the game litters the shelves of second hand stores worldwide for small change whilst Daytona was ported badly to a console few people own per chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Tiger
Or it's that Daytona is simply a better game than Ridge Racer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenewguy
There's also the Dreamcast version. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenewguy
Then there was the time at Sony's E3 2006 Press Conference when Kaz Hirai showe off Ridge Racer on the PSP. Then when no one cheered he screamed "RIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER!" to get nothing but crickets for a reply. That really shows you how much people don't care about Ridge Racer these days.
I don't know about the US, but Daytona 2001 doesn't litter the shelves of 2nd hand stores in the UK for small change, in fact, I haven't seen it anywhere for a while, and never remember it being sold for less than maybe £15.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
My used game store has new sealed copies of Daytona USA for the Dreamcast for about $15.
That's because Daytona is a title you keep in your collection. Ridge Racer is a title you play for a couple of hours, then sell it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenewguy
I'm a PSX guy but no way am I gonna defend Ridge Racer. I got RR4 because I was seducued by the graphics, music, and spectacular intro but actually gameplay to me was more like meh. My first and last RR game. Daytona USA ? Maybe its better but its still just racing and racing games dont sell consoles. Gran Turismo probably has it all but to a novice and aracde racing fan its just too complicated and confusing.
I sold my saturn stuff a few months ago, and haven't missed it at all.
Yeah, because Suikoden 1 & 2, Final Fantasy 7, 8, 9, & Tactics, Chrono Cross, Xenogears, Vagrant Story, Valkyrie Profile, Persona 1 & 2, Vandal Hearts 1 & 2, Alundra, and Tactics Ogre is just library-padding, bottom of the barrel, half-hearted "quantity".Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
Panzer Dragoon Saga may be a great game, but I'll choose that meaty list of PSX RPGs any day of the week. It's the PSX for me, and it's not even close.
Only found about it recently, seems really awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splatterhouse5
Well, I'll defend RR - I play it still to this day (mainly on my PSP), while I've only played Daytona once. Daytona sucks donkey dong compared to RR - it can't compare on any level. Sorry, Daytona just sucks so bad it puzzles me no end how people can stand playing it, much less recommend it over the far superior RR.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkDragon
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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
:fail:
Need for Speed III is the holy grail of PSX racers for me. I was so stoked for NFS 4 but imagine my horror when I found it to be barely playable due to all the massive slowdown. I dont know what went wrong because it was so bad and much worse than in NFS III.
Obviously, it's partly exageration, but mostly mocking imitation of most of the RR detractors.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
:D
Daytona is not my favorite, but Ridge Racer just sucks IMO. I never saw the appeal of that series. I think I prefer the Saturn for racing games. I always hated the likes of Gran Turismo. I did enjoy some of the more obscure ones on Playstation like RC de Go and Felony 11-79. But Saturn has Out Run and Power Drift and Scorcher and other goodness. I'm sure I've played Out Run more than anything else.
I have to agree that PSX kills for RPGs (I don't play them in Japanese), but what Saturn does have is excellent. Shining the Holy Ark and Dragon Force are two of my favorite RPGs ever.
Vagrant Story is amazing, I just recently played through it for the first time and it's such a fantastic game. I've been meaning to make a post about it on here, actually. I'm of the opinion that it's the best game on the PlayStation, as well as the best game Squaresoft ever produced (and I'm a huge fan of their PSX output in general). It's got a great story, the best localization of any game I've ever played, really deep gameplay mechanics, and amazing cinematography in the cutscenes (which all use the game engine, no FMV). I would recommend checking out the game mechanics guide on GameFAQS before you start, though, as the manual barely even scratches the surface of all the various systems at work. But it's completely worth it, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
The best game on the PlayStation.
Yeah, I agree with this. Panzer Dragoon Saga is one of my favorite games ever, but the RPG selection on the PSX is just so packed to the brim with fantastic titles that the Saturn can't really compete. It's not an argument of quality vs. quantity when you're discussing PSX RPGs, it's quality and quantity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splatterhouse5
Oh yeah, I love Vagrant Story. I remember it came out one week before my birthday, and for some reason that (along with previews and a tv commercial) made me want it more. I bought it with birthday money and was glued to it for the next two weeks. Some people find the battle system obtuse but it just clicked for me.
Can I just add this: IT'S NOT CALLED THE BLOODY PSX!
It's the PS1 or PlayStation. Either is fine, thankyou.
Let the Saturn worship re-commence.
Then you'd better be prepared when Sega-32 gets under way, it's going to be twice as much arguing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
Nope. Just you and me.Quote:
I mean after all, it's just an opinion, we've all got different ones. I like it when we all share our opinions and why, even better when we don't bicker over who's wrong and who's right because you know, we're all right. :)
I'm well known for talking shite about the Saturn's architecture on this board, obsessively trying to understand how this thing works. I both love and loathe how obtuse it is as a system.
But seriously regarding which is better? All three consoles have something to offer from that generation, though I could live without an N64 and own a Saturn and a PSX despite some of the awesome stuff on it, but If I had only a PSX and N64 I could'nt live without my Saturn. :)
The very things about the system some people might loathe, I love, its part of its charm.
I prefer the Saturn subjectively, but I'm not going to turn down the PSX. In fact I intend to get a Jap PSX when I can afford it, I never had a PSX back in the day so there is so much I want to try, I might come back disappointed and my opinion solidified regarding which is my favourite. I don't even like Sony's business practices, but lets face it they made good hardware, and many different developers coded good stuff for it. So for someone to dissmissivly suggest they don't like one without playing it enough is pretty poor, I'll only respect opinions in this debate if they've had a good taste of each platform. Even saying the controller is shite as an excuse to hate on the PSX is a piss-poor, I love the Dreamcast, but its controller is an absolute joke in nearly every conceivable way IMHO, but I'll still stand by it and defend the system.
Do we really have to rag on both systems, Sega and Sony (Ninty likewise) have done some pretty reprehensible things in there company histories. The marketplace decided the victors, rightly or wrongly, hell Sega probably did more damage to themselves than the competition. People just seem to put these illogical walls up defensively and attach certain ill founded reasons to why they don't like one console, of course people are allowed there own opinion, but playing Crash Bandicoot for 45 mins and throwing your arms up in anger and declaring you'll never try anything else on the system and the Playstation was terrible is a bit childish.
Below is my own completely unfounded, biased, childish and trollish opinion of the whole situation:
How can you can compare 25 or so Playstation racing titles to the 17 racers on the Saturn? Sega Rally's quality alone makes it worth so much more, SR is worth ten of your shitty western generic sci-fi themed racers on the Playstation.
TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLO :cool:
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Originally Posted by Crackdown
Nope It's called PSX, we decided on that a while ago..
You might wanna search some threads, in one of them there was proof of the PSX being used by magazines before and even a bit after the release of the console.
And thus the only people who say PS1 are poor people who couldn't afford a PSX when it came out and instead got the tiny PS1 years later.
The real manly men who were there from day one call it PSX.
If us Saturn fans were truly trolling in our replies to PS1 Racers, we would have said Race Drivin' on the Saturn is the best Racing Game ever made and is leaps and bounds better than any PS1 racer.Quote:
Originally Posted by TVC 15
No only stupid people call it the PSX (which is a different machine)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoVamp
Sony only ever called it this during development and never again after. Please point out the "X" for me in the PlayStation's name.
(unless maybe its called PlayStation suX :p)
We could just say PS.
I say PSOne. I like the sound and spelling of it.
Please point out the "1" for me in the PlayStation's name. None of my PlayStation games have that numeral. Sony only ever called it that in contrast to the PS2 and never before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crackdown
The nickname "PSX" has been around since the birth of the system. When you call it "PS1" it makes me wonder what you used to call it. Because you certainly weren't saying "PS1" in 1998.
No I was calling it PlayStation of course because that is what it was called ;)
I then called it the PS1 when the PS2 came out, just like Sony did.
I certainly never called it the PSX because thats not its name. :p
PS1 is not its name either. :p
Of course not, it's a nickname. Like calling the Sega Power Base "Sega Master System" or "SMS".Quote:
Originally Posted by Crackdown
I wouldn't call anyone using SMS, or even a completely original nickname stupid. Especially if it is obvious to everyone what they mean by the term.
Those of the inner circle who were there from the start embraced the codename PSX, for it is extreme with an X.
PSX 4 life.
I’m getting a little confused here. It is obvious that the PSX/PS/PS1/PSOne/PlayStation has a fantastic library of games covering just about every genre and trying to argue that it hasn’t is a pointless exercise. Strip away all the dross and there is still a superb library of titles to appeal to most tastes.
However this is no way reflects on the quality of the Saturn library. The two are independent. You can prefer one to the other regardless of the quality or quantity of the other.
Think of it like this. You are a big fan of fish but can’t stand steak. Your friend suggests going for dinner and gives you a choice of two restaurants. One of these is a small seafood restaurant, famed among those in the know for its specialist fish dishes. There isn’t a huge choice but some of the dishes on the menu are among your all time favourites. The other restaurant he suggests is a famous Steak House offering over a thousand variations of steak dishes. It has won awards for being the best steak house in the country and offers steak based starters, mains and desserts. There is no disputing the quality or quantity of the steak on offer. However the fish lover is likely to choose the first one with less choice.
(Obviously this analogy really needs the fish restaurant to offer slightly cut down versions of the steak dishes that are on offer in the Steak House and for the steak house to offer some seafood options too)
The PSX/PS/PS1/PSOne/PlayStation has lots of wonderful games and some truly magical hidden gems.
However this poll is which do you prefer. Not which one has the better library in terms of racing games or RPG’s etc. If your all time favourite game is Sega Rally then no amount of other racing games on an alternative system are likely to persuade you that you should prefer that system unless you prefer 1 (or more) of those racing games to Sega Rally. None of which reflects on the quality of those games, just the preferences of the individual.
People treat consoles with the kind of tribalism usually reserved for football (soccer) teams where a foul by the opposition is always a penalty and sending off but if it is their player the ref is a cheat/incompetent.
It isn't a choice of which has the bigger and/or better library but which library you prefer.
Dude, less making sense, more flaming ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GreyFox
Excellent, while the Playstation Fans are bickering over what to call the thing the Saturn fans are standing united and making sure the Saturn wins the poll!
This is exactly the problem, and what makes me cringe every time I look at the PS1 library. I have to sift through piles of oozing nastiness to find the solid library on the Playstation. By the time I'm done stripping away the crap I'm not even in the mood to play a game. Your restaurant analogy doesn't work, because I have to look at what I don't like on every shelf in every store with PS1 games, and I frequently only find what I don't want.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreyFox
It's so hard to make a Sega console win a poll in Sega-16... Congratulations!Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Take that back!Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Don't ever call me a PlayStation fan, I actually think I need to go shower now I feel so dirty and then play some Sega Rally to cleanse myself.
Huh? Like Mr. Smith said, if you're a Mega Drive fan you should HATE the Saturn. If anything the results are surprising. (Well, not really, because the Saturn is just cooler :cool:)Quote:
Originally Posted by agostinhobaroners
Either that or people just hate the PS1 more XD.