The PSX Vs Saturn Poll.

Agree with Mr. Smith, Saturn is pretty mediocre TBH. It's only good for shmups, which is why I bought it.

Yeah, I have one, But that doesn't mean I will be biased.

Games such as Nights, Sega Rally, Burning Rangers, Fighters MegaMix, Pazner Dragoon, are all average at best. What's so good about Nights anyways? Best selling game on the Saturn? I almost dozed off while playing it. Where is the action in this game?

I'll take Silent Hill, Resident Evils, Dino crisis, parasite eve and Metal Gear Solid anyday.

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Agree with Mr. Smith, Saturn is pretty mediocre TBH. It's only good for shmups, which is why I bought it.

Yeah, I have one, But that doesn't mean I will be biased.

Games such as Nights, Sega Rally, Burning Rangers, Fighters MegaMix, Pazner Dragoon, are all average at best. What's so good about Nights anyways? Best selling game on the Saturn? I almost dozed off while playing it. Where is the action in this game?

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When did you buy your Saturn?

I could see someone not thinking Burning Rangers is all that great, if they had played it a couple of years after it came out; the graphics are clunky, the controls seem pretty dated and the game is pretty short. Sega Rally, however, is racing ZEN, with the game demanding a perfect synchronization of driving lines, application of breaks and turning; even Sega Rally 2 can't compare. Playing Sega Rally is like playing the perfect shooter, where the music, enemies and ship/player movement all come together to create an experience unlike any other game you've played.

While the games you've listed are all solid, with the exception of Sega Rally, I believe they get listed far too often. The Saturn has a ton of lesser known titles that get overlooked, because they weren't as heavily marketed or published by Sega.

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I'll take Silent Hill, Resident Evils, Dino crisis, parasite eve and Metal Gear Solid anyday.

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I really didn't think Resident Evil was all that great, until Resident Evil 4 came out. Metal Gear Solid was okay, but I don't think it's anywhere near the top 30 games I'd want to play on the Playstation.

I bought a Japanese SS 3 weeks ago from a local shop. So far my collection looks like this:-
-Darius Gaiden
-Fighters Mega-Mix
-Gun Bird
-Layer Section (Galactic attack)
-Nights...into Dreams
-Panzer Dragoon
-Panzer Dragoon
-Sexy Parodius
-Sega Rally
-Soukyugerentai
-Twinbee Deluxe Pack

I agree with you on Sega Rally; it requires a lot of practice, and I am trying to perform better with each play. Not bad, and hopefully it will grow on me overtime.

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The Dreamcast was selling good and had good third party support. No I don't think it was the people who failed Sega.

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the dreamcast wasn't selling good. software sales were bad and especially third party support sucked. I can't even believe you actually posted that. it did better in every way than saturn yes in the west.

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Originally Posted by Curryman123

I bought a Japanese SS 3 weeks ago from a local shop. So far my collection looks like this:-
-Darius Gaiden
-Fighters Mega-Mix
-Gun Bird
-Layer Section (Galactic attack)
-Nights...into Dreams
-Panzer Dragoon
-Panzer Dragoon
-Sexy Parodius
-Sega Rally
-Soukyugerentai
-Twinbee Deluxe Pack

I agree with you on Sega Rally; it requires a lot of practice, and I am trying to perform better with each play. Not bad, and hopefully it will grow on me overtime.

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so you bought a saturn 3 weeks ago and can already confirm it's average based on that list. thank you I won't ever take you serious anymore. and nights was not the best selling saturn game at all.

also nights you don't understand how to play I gues.s it's about high scores and making everlasting links and loops. simply collect the orbs as quickly as possible and after that go berserk on the level just before the timer runs out and get A scores

Panzer Dragoon is pretty much an average on-rails shooter, but it has really good music. The sequel is significantly better, and I would urge you to try that one. The gameplay is deeper, it has a lot of replay value and the graphics are much improved. Great music, too, although it's in a different style from the first game.

NiGHTS is a lot of fun for me. It's like Ms. Pac-Man, a game I could replay forever, constantly trying to improve my score. I guess the "flying time attack" style of gameplay doesn't appeal to everyone, but I really like it. I'm one of those people who loves to constantly try to beat my top scores, and NiGHTS is one of those games that I can truly zone out with. The visuals are pretty rough these days, but I love the music. Not only is it fantastic, but it changes depending on the number and happiness of the a-lifes that inhabit the various stages.

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Originally Posted by Curryman123

I bought a Japanese SS 3 weeks ago from a local shop. So far my collection looks like this:-
-Darius Gaiden
-Fighters Mega-Mix
-Gun Bird
-Layer Section (Galactic attack)
-Nights...into Dreams
-Panzer Dragoon
-Panzer Dragoon
-Sexy Parodius
-Sega Rally
-Soukyugerentai
-Twinbee Deluxe Pack

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Missing a ton of great games there. Where's Guardian Heroes? Shining Force 3? Thunderforce 5?

Where are Sakura Taisen, Anearth Fantasy Stories, Shoujo Kakumei Utena, and Blue Breaker?

I actually think curryman means it's mediocre apart from the shooters, re which latter he should pick up Shienryu (a mixture of Raiden and Truxton) and try playing Panzer Dragoon 1 w/o using the lift gun (homing).

Also Nights plays much better with the 3D pad--have one?

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simply collect the orbs as quickly as possible and after that go berserk on the level just before the timer runs out and get A scores

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Tried it, and it wasn't very fun for me. Sorry.

Also, I listed 2 Panzer Dragons. The 2nd Panzer was Panzer Dragoon Zewi.

I Plan on picking up more games for it in the future. Especially looking forward to Guardian Heroes, Salamander Deluxe pack, and Battle Gregga (looks damn promising).

@StarMist

No I don't have the 3D controller, but I will get one on near future.

Also, thanks for the recommendations.

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I actually think curryman means it's mediocre apart from the shooters,

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But that's so untrue. Shining: The Holy Ark is one of the best RPGs of that era, Gun Griffon is one of the better mech games and Iron Storm is one of the best military strategy games. There are a lot of great 3rd party titles on the Saturn like Soviet Strike, Night Warriors, Bomberman, Megaman X4, Enemy Zero and Last Gladiators.

I also heard good things about Shining for holy ark. I will look into it. What's the going rate for this game?

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I also heard good things about Shining for holy ark. I will look into it. What's the going rate for this game?

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About $40-$45, but it's well worth it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used

If you don't care about the story, the Japanese version is dirt cheap.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sega-Saturn-...item1c11927b7e

I prefer the Saturn. But since I own both consoles, I get the best of both worlds. The Saturn and PSX sit next to each other on my entertainment stand in peace (At least while the lights are on and I'm present :p).

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I also heard good things about Shining for holy ark. I will look into it.

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Its good, the view is 1st person and it feels like more of a computer style RPG in some ways (but with Japanese styling), the dungeons are well designed, clever and inventive, and the music is fantastic, the graphics and environments are pretty disappointing though, with a lot of texture recycling and samey looking villages/boring caves, and the plotline is very much below par for the generation (think Final Fantasy 4 on SNES, but with half the story removed and you'll have a decent idea).

Its certainly not in the top 10 RPGs of that generation for me, and its definitely not worth the amount it sells for, I would aim for something like Vagrant Story on PS1 first if you want a cheap RPG that focuses on creative dungeon design, and more active puzzle orientated gameplay.

The best RPG on Saturn is Panzer Dragoon Saga IMO, thats the only one I could consider putting into a top 10 32-bit RPG list, maybe if Grandia had been localised it might've had a chance.

I haven't played any 32-bit RPGs that come close to Tengai Makyou The Apocalypse IV, in terms of overall quality and it's one of the most original games ever made, even by Tengai Makyou standards. You can only experience it on Saturn or PSP.

Shining the Holy Arc is phenomenal, but I don't want to talk it up too much lest expectations be built up impossibly high. When I think of 32-bit generation RPGs, I think of Holy Arc first, and Panzer Dragoon Saga second.

Also, Gun Griffon absolutely rocks, I have never played a mech game I have liked as much.

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This is exactly the problem, and what makes me cringe every time I look at the PS1 library. I have to sift through piles of oozing nastiness to find the solid library on the Playstation. By the time I'm done stripping away the crap I'm not even in the mood to play a game. Your restaurant analogy doesn't work, because I have to look at what I don't like on every shelf in every store with PS1 games, and I frequently only find what I don't want.

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I don't get this. Too many choices annoys you? I mean, how hard is it to ask a couple of questions, or read a couple of reviews, to figure out what the games of interest might be - I do that for just about every game I've ever been interested in on any system.

That's like saying that there are too many girls at the party, and that it's a pain in the ass to chat with the 20-30 that you like because the other 70-80 that don't float your boat are there too. Sorry, but it sounds whiney for the sake of having something negative to say about a positive situation. Would fans have liked the Saturn less if it offered more choices? Would fans have wanted 40 more awesome games if it meant simply ignoring 200-300 others?

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I don't get this. Too many choices annoys you? I mean, how hard is it to ask a couple of questions, or read a couple of reviews, to figure out what the games of interest might be - I do that for just about every game I've ever been interested in on any system.

That's like saying that there are too many girls at the party, and that it's a pain in the ass to chat with the 20-30 that you like because the other 70-80 that don't float your boat are there too. Sorry, but it sounds whiney for the sake of having something negative to say about a positive situation. Would fans have liked the Saturn less if it offered more choices? Would fans have wanted 40 more awesome games if it meant simply ignoring 200-300 others?

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I don't get the opposite perspective. I really don't. There are two ways that I find games. The first is to play or research games until I find an individual title I want. Secondly, I look at the total library of a platform and try to read reviews until I find something interesting.

When it comes to popular platforms both options becomes a task of sorting, at least, 9 games for every 1 interesting title recommended for remotely relevant reasons. In the case of the PS1, which enjoys the unprecedented "honor" of having nearly double the releases in the US as any previous platform, this means way too much effort to find the games I want to consider playing, much less buying.

Stick me in a room full of Victorias Secret supermodels that look exactly like my wife, and ask me to find my wife. I will be pissed off by the time I find her. Sorry if that seems illogical. Let's rephrase, stick me in a room full of pretty things that I might think I would like but will actually tire of very quickly. I will be tired of looking by the time I find something that actually lasts. This is my problem with the playstations and most modern platforms.

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I don't get the opposite perspective. I really don't. There are two ways that I find games. The first is to play or research games until I find an individual title I want. Secondly, I look at the total library of a platform and try to read reviews until I find something interesting.

When it comes to popular platforms both options becomes a task of sorting, at least, 9 games for every 1 interesting title recommended for remotely relevant reasons. In the case of the PS1, which enjoys the unprecedented "honor" of having nearly double the releases in the US as any previous platform, this means way too much effort to find the games I want to consider playing, much less buying.

Stick me in a room full of Victorias Secret supermodels that look exactly like my wife, and ask me to find my wife. I will be pissed off by the time I find her. Sorry if that seems illogical. Let's rephrase, stick me in a room full of pretty things that I might think I would like but will actually tire of very quickly. I will be tired of looking by the time I find something that actually lasts. This is my problem with the playstations and most modern platforms.

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Hehe...You make it seem like a ton of work to find something worthwhile on a playstation. If I had never touched a playstation (but was curious about one), the first thing I would do is ask around, look at a handful of top 10-20 lists, and look into the handful of games that get mentioned several times. On sites like this one, hidden gems get thrown around on top 10 lists as a way of informing noobs that a PS isn't simply Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, GTA, and God of War games (all perfectly competent series in their own right).

It's not like you're looking for the love of your life here. It's just a video game. Something awesome for about a week to a month. If the affair ends up lasting more than that, well, then you got more bang for your buck.

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I don't get the opposite perspective. I really don't. There are two ways that I find games. The first is to play or research games until I find an individual title I want. Secondly, I look at the total library of a platform and try to read reviews until I find something interesting.

When it comes to popular platforms both options becomes a task of sorting, at least, 9 games for every 1 interesting title recommended for remotely relevant reasons. In the case of the PS1, which enjoys the unprecedented "honor" of having nearly double the releases in the US as any previous platform, this means way too much effort to find the games I want to consider playing, much less buying.

Stick me in a room full of Victorias Secret supermodels that look exactly like my wife, and ask me to find my wife. I will be pissed off by the time I find her. Sorry if that seems illogical. Let's rephrase, stick me in a room full of pretty things that I might think I would like but will actually tire of very quickly. I will be tired of looking by the time I find something that actually lasts. This is my problem with the playstations and most modern platforms.

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Hehe...You make it seem like a ton of work to find something worthwhile on a playstation. If I had never touched a playstation (but was curious about one), the first thing I would do is ask around, look at a handful of top 10-20 lists, and look into the handful of games that get mentioned several times. On sites like this one, hidden gems get thrown around on top 10 lists as a way of informing noobs that a PS isn't simply Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, GTA, and God of War games (all perfectly competent series in their own right).

It's not like you're looking for the love of your life here. It's just a video game. Something awesome for about a week to a month. If the affair ends up lasting more than that, well, then you got more bang for your buck.

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Yes, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a large library, especially with the modern resources the Internet affords (making looking things up fast/simple).
The number of games available on PC (especially including obscure ones) is extremely daunting in that context, but it doesn't stop it from being one of my favorite platforms ever. (and definitely my #1 favorite for single-player games)

That said, the ways I most often find games are:
-Freind/family memeber owns the game and/or recommends it (this may include playing the game as a friend's house and liking it)
-I see the game in action at a store display (this, along with "played it with friends" would be the biggest selling points for me as a kid -though still significant today)
-I browse the selection of games at a game store and see what jumps out at me, check closer (get an idea of the gameplay style/genre/etc -and possibly developer/publisher) and either buy/rent it right off the bat (especially if its cheap) or make a note of it and look it up more (or ask more about it) before deciding
-sequel/spin-off of a series I like (or a game from a publisher/developer I tend to like in a genre I usually enjoy)
-find it by chance while browsing the web (including in form discussions or YT videos/reviews)
-looking up lists of games by genre/type on various platforms
-features in Gaming magazines
-TV/print advertising
-looking up top best rated/favorites lists

These are more or less in order of significance for my personal decision making . . . and "by chance" discoveries (including several different cases in the above list) are probably the most common by far for me: be it at a friend's house, in a store display, at a thrift store (found several PC games that way just today), YT reviews/etc, forums, etc, etc.

The one other area not met by the above for the way I/my family ended up with many of the game we had (and grew up with) would be: parents (namely my dad) buying games without any explicit input from me or my brother. (be it games for my dad specifically, games intended for several members of the family, or games he had a good idea that I -or my brother- would like).
And how he selected games, I'm not positive, though I think browsing shelves in the stores was often the case too (though I'm sure there's times when he explicitly had a game in mind -from a friend's recommendation, etc- or had a specific brand/series that he/we already knew we liked)

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I also heard good things about Shining for holy ark. I will look into it. What's the going rate for this game?

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that's a really good game. the first person view with sprite graphics looks awesome and still looks great today. it's a sequel to shining in the darknes sbut a lot better

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Its good, the view is 1st person and it feels like more of a computer style RPG in some ways (but with Japanese styling), the dungeons are well designed, clever and inventive, and the music is fantastic, the graphics and environments are pretty disappointing though, with a lot of texture recycling and samey looking villages/boring caves, and the plotline is very much below par for the generation (think Final Fantasy 4 on SNES, but with half the story removed and you'll have a decent idea).

Its certainly not in the top 10 RPGs of that generation for me, and its definitely not worth the amount it sells for, I would aim for something like Vagrant Story on PS1 first if you want a cheap RPG that focuses on creative dungeon design, and more active puzzle orientated gameplay.

The best RPG on Saturn is Panzer Dragoon Saga IMO, thats the only one I could consider putting into a top 10 32-bit RPG list, maybe if Grandia had been localised it might've had a chance.

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shining force 3 is better than nearly any other rpg too of that generation. all 3 games are in fact. they got even better with each scenario. panzer dragoon saga is the best rpg maybe of all time other than shenmue (2) if you consider that an rpg which I do.

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shining force 3 is better than nearly any other rpg too of that generation. all 3 games are in fact. they got even better with each scenario. panzer dragoon saga is the best rpg maybe of all time other than shenmue (2) if you consider that an rpg which I do.

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Shining Force III may be about as good as anything for gameplay, fun and replay value, but it's not much of a RPG. Even thought they're not the best versions around, I'd still rather play Ys I & II for Saturn than most 32-bit RPG'ish games. The Saturn has great RPG and RPG-like games, but people who can't play them in Japanese discount them as though they don't exist. If you can't enjoy them, it doesn't mean that they don't exist and aren't a contributing factor to an excellent library. I can't get into most sports, racing, street fighting, rhythm, strategy, etc games. But I don't pretend that they don't exist or that they shouldn't matter to anyone.

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Hehe...You make it seem like a ton of work to find something worthwhile on a playstation. If I had never touched a playstation (but was curious about one), the first thing I would do is ask around, look at a handful of top 10-20 lists, and look into the handful of games that get mentioned several times. On sites like this one, hidden gems get thrown around on top 10 lists as a way of informing noobs that a PS isn't simply Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, GTA, and God of War games (all perfectly competent series in their own right).

It's not like you're looking for the love of your life here. It's just a video game. Something awesome for about a week to a month. If the affair ends up lasting more than that, well, then you got more bang for your buck.

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Well, running with the room full of girls analogy, the other problem I have with the PS1, and most popular platforms, is that the so called AAA titles that everybody loves just don't do it for me. I finished Final Fantasy VII and Metal Gear Solid and cannot stand either game now. When I got a PS1 in 1997 everybody told me to pick up Blood Omen Legacy of Kain, but my gosh the load times and gameplay just killed it for me.

I have said elsewhere in these forums that when my college roommate had a Playstation I played all of his games and picked up some of my own. I enjoyed Bushido Blade, Tenchu, and a few others. Colony Wars was fun to play through once, but the gameplay was just to simple (flying back and forth while firing at capital ships gets old). I also have an odd obsession with the first year games, whenever I see one I tend to pick it up. Really, going chronologically and stopping around 1999 is the only way I have been able to parse the PS1 library.

Walking into a store that has PS1 games and hoping to find something is a chore to say the least. The same goes for the Genesis, SNES, Playstation 2, Wii and Xbox 360. The odds are ten to one against finding anything worth looking into, much less anything I have actually heard about and actually want, which would be more 100:1.

Um guys, the playstation easily wins, It's not even a question of Quality Vs Quantity, the PS has both quality, and quantity.

Furthermore, the hand full of ports that are better on the Saturn dont matter, have you've seen the size of the PS Library lol, needless to say, It's a nonissue.

The Saturn has awesome games don't get me wrong, but It's silly to vote for it when It's up against the PS which has :tonage of awesome games.

Um, fella, check the original post, we're talking about personal preference. I will drive a 2000 model Honda Prelude for the rest of my life due to personal preference. Similarly, the Saturn library will demand more of my attention than the PS1 library, as it has since the mid 90s, due to personal preference. Just don't think it is all about brand or company or anything like that, it's about the games. The Saturn offers something measurable and unique that the PS1 only has a smattering of.

Also, is this the thread where HD-DVD came up? I can't find it, so I will post this here. BluRay didn't "win", that battle was fought based on which movie publishers would sell out to which format first. The end came when Sony bought out Warner, plain and simple. Otherwise we would likely still be seeing all the same movies on two formats, and most movie players would support both like mine does.

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Well, running with the room full of girls analogy, the other problem I have with the PS1, and most popular platforms, is that the so called AAA titles that everybody loves just don't do it for me. I finished Final Fantasy VII and Metal Gear Solid and cannot stand either game now. When I got a PS1 in 1997 everybody told me to pick up Blood Omen Legacy of Kain, but my gosh the load times and gameplay just killed it for me.

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I've never let load times ruin a game for me . . . they certainly don't benefit the experience, but I've lived with them since I was a little kid playing PC games and have tolerated some VERY long load times. (I mean several minutes long -which was often the case for running Il2 Sturmovik 1946 on my old Athlon XP machine)

As for AAA games . . . I understand that too, but simply take it in stride. (both in terms of hot new releases and for classics) I definitely have some different tastes than you, but I can think of several instances where I don't really care for acclaimed games. (especially some 2D platformers)

However, I don't consider those games any less great or not AAA simply because I don't like them . . . it's similar to not liking a very well respected/critically(and/or publically) acclaimed book or film. (ie personal tastes vary, and there's always the exceptions to the norm -and, in my case, my preferences for many games definitely fall within the norm -especially for the more recent generations- but there's several genres I really like that are no longer popular and some that are very popular that I don't care for as much -and, again, the same for several older generations too, especially some very popular mainstream games/genres in the late 80s and early 90s)

Not agreeing personally of a certain game/book/film/etc's greatness most definitely does not mean that the established perception (or the rest of the world for that matter) is wrong. (there's certainly some cases of inflation -in part due to more successful marketing and such, but there's also a huge degree of the majority vs minority preferences and opinions)
Same thing for a quirky "fun" movie or book you love, that's seen as mediocre or poor.

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I have said elsewhere in these forums that when my college roommate had a Playstation I played all of his games and picked up some of my own. I enjoyed Bushido Blade, Tenchu, and a few others. Colony Wars was fun to play through once, but the gameplay was just to simple (flying back and forth while firing at capital ships gets old). I also have an odd obsession with the first year games, whenever I see one I tend to pick it up. Really, going chronologically and stopping around 1999 is the only way I have been able to parse the PS1 library.

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The PSX also had some much more complex space shooters/sims too though, including 2 of the best Wing Commander games (III and IV), and was actually the only console to get both of those. (the 3DO only got III and the Saturn and N64 got neither)

The PSX is easily the best home console of that period for space sims/shooters, and only PCs were better in that regard. (it was also second best to the PC for several other genres too, which is a big part of why it reached #1 for my list in the "only 1 console" thread -in addition to the overall variety of games on the system, though again, N64 would win for some certain areas like multiplayer IMO -which it also had over PC too . . . unless you include network play)

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Walking into a store that has PS1 games and hoping to find something is a chore to say the least. The same goes for the Genesis, SNES, Playstation 2, Wii and Xbox 360. The odds are ten to one against finding anything worth looking into, much less anything I have actually heard about and actually want, which would be more 100:1.

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I never ever had this problem personally . . . though part of it is my general flexibility for finding fun in games: I certainly have my preferences, but I still enjoy an extremely wide range of games and genres. In fact, one of the biggest limiting factors for me is difficulty (namely certain genres/games that I'm inherently weak at but still like to play), and the flexible difficulty options in many newer games opens that up even more (whereas previously, the only workaround was using cheats -if that), while that same flexibility allows me to ramp up difficulty of games I'm especially good at.


On top of that, there's the vast number of older games (be it fairly recent or over a decade old) that are still "new" to me (in that I haven't played them or haven't played them much -or just never beaten them), so the "holes" in the current gen market (from my PoV) are filled by that too. (I'd be a lot more frustrated if I didn't have a tolerance -let alone preference/curiosity- for older/more technically primitive games)

I have a hell of a time finding good PS1 games in the wild. Like Sheath says, its like 100:1 chance. We have three places around here that have PS1 games. There are tons of games but good lord most them are just garbage. I look through them all the time. Its painful. I do find some gems know and then but its discouraging.

That is the biggest problem, put as many PS1 games as people will trade in on a wall and most of them are complete junk. The same goes for the Genesis, SNES, PS2, or 360. People buy crap and they trade it back even faster.

My other problem is that I know all or most of the history of almost any game I might find that has any merit in my sight. So, even though one particular game I happen to find is "good", I have to figure whether it is worth the asking price when I have X many other games that are virtually the same or better. Adding in commonly repeated nonsense that I see everyday online for AAA titles really doesn't make their merit seem any higher to me.

Having the option of playing games on PC or in emulation is something I generally try to ignore in console game purchases. I hate configuring games and screwing with settings just to get to gameplay.

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That is the biggest problem, put as many PS1 games as people will trade in on a wall and most of them are complete junk. The same goes for the Genesis, SNES, PS2, or 360. People buy crap and they trade it back even faster.

My other problem is that I know all or most of the history of almost any game I might find that has any merit in my sight. So, even though one particular game I happen to find is "good", I have to figure whether it is worth the asking price when I have X many other games that are virtually the same or better. Adding in commonly repeated nonsense that I see everyday online for AAA titles really doesn't make their merit seem any higher to me.

Having the option of playing games on PC or in emulation is something I generally try to ignore in console game purchases. I hate configuring games and screwing with settings just to get to gameplay.

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I really don't see that as a viable complaint, as that just goes to show you how great the good games in the library actually are(people aren't gonna trade in godly/highly desireable games for chunk change).

If you're able to post in a online forum, I'm sure you can make your way to ebay, which is where you can find the games(you're not just limited to people living within 5-10 miles, trading in/selling their games to that specific store, not to mention there are very few people dumb enough to do so).

Most games can be had pretty cheap(providing you try to ignore BIN only sales, which are almost always double the price It's worth or atleast at the very top dollar amount), even the high quality games.

sheath, it's tough not to read your moans as demonstrative that you're slipping from gaming. There are many excellent action games on Playstation and even many Saturn fans to recommend you them. There are even a few I'd only recommend by way of PM as I want a chance to still buy them for myself. And you needn't emulate if you don't wish to buy, you can chip your system (PS or PS2) for $25 or buy a soft mod on a card for the PS2.

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Originally Posted by StarMist

sheath, it's tough not to read your moans as demonstrative that you're slipping from gaming. There are many excellent action games on Playstation and even many Saturn fans to recommend you them. There are even a few I'd only recommend by way of PM as I want a chance to still buy them for myself. And you needn't emulate if you don't wish to buy, you can chip your system (PS or PS2) for $25 or buy a soft mod on a card for the PS2.

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Yea I'm not too fond of him emulating them either, and yea you could chip it, and in any case, SNES's are cheap. If you don't like the color lol(which I think is fine), you could always just paint the case. as for PS,PS2, exc, yea modding them would be best.

I prefer the Saturn. Some of my all-time favorite games are Virtual On and Sega Rally. Virtual On is even better when played between two Saturns (you can even play remotely by modem). Sega Rally is great solo or in versus mode, time lag races can go for hours against a good opponent (also playable by modem). Saturn also has all of the best of Capcom's fighters, the Alpha series, Darkstalkers, X-Men COTA, and especially the Versus series. I also think Saturn has the best 3D fighters, Virtua Fighter 2, Last Bronx, and Fighting Vipers (my favorite).

Saturn also has the best gamepads for fighting games and the 3D pad is the best analog control pad of the era, much better for driving games than either PSX or N64 analog controllers. The original poster didn't specify whether it's cheating to use Saturn controllers on PSX (which I have) so I didn't count that. Each system should get credit for it's strengths.

Saturn has the best basketball, soccer, and baseball games, too. Unfortunately, there isn't an outstanding football game for either system, Madden 98 or Madden 99 are good but it wasn't until the NFL 2K series came out that there was a real challenge to the Genesis football era.

The games like Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Destruction Derby, and Wipeout are a wash to me. I played them on Saturn but I probably would have enjoyed them the same on PSX. Either way, one of each was enough for me. Both systems have other games that I liked, like Space Hulk, so again I could have chose either. I always read that PSX has better graphics but I can think of plenty of Saturn versions that are better like X-Men vs Street Fighter or Dead or Alive. Usually, it doesn't matter enough to buy two game systems.

I do think the PSX has some great games. I like link-up games and early on, PSX had several that I really liked like F1 or Armored Core. I can't believe Sony discontinued it. Saturn only has a few link-up games by comparison, though Gun Griffon II and Daytona CCE are great and nothing on PSX even rivals Virtual On. I also liked a lot of PSX racing games like V-Rally, TOCA 1 & 2, and Jarrett & Labonte Stock Car Racing (which is actually TOCA 3).

Both systems have some great unique titles but none that make me prefer one system over the other, like X-Com: UFO Defense on PSX or Tactics Formula on Saturn.

Not that it matters to me, but the Saturn also has a much better CD player with all the extra effects. My S.O. loved it though, she played around with it for hours when I first got a Saturn. Also no longer matters but Saturn has a web browser, which at the time was huge!

It is definite that if I am not slipping out of being a gamer I just don't have the same passion for gaming that I used to have. The good thing is I don't shop in stores, so I just buy Playstation games online when I find out about one I might like. With my cabinet filled with consoles all hooked up, I just see a bunch of games on a shelf, rather than a bunch of antagonistic platforms. That also has the down side of too many choices, making it difficult to stick to just one game for long enough to finish it.

As for my comment on the wall-o-crap that popular platforms invariably create, I have always felt that way. Since the Genesis got popular, or actually since the NES days I have always grown tired of finding gems in popular console libraries. I have never considered a popular platform better because it has a larger library because that library is always padded with sequels and licensed games that have less value on their own than unique exclusives do. Conversely, this also does not make the popular platform worse than a more niche one, but I do find "filler" games a detriment to the library over all.

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Originally Posted by bultje112

shining force 3 is better than nearly any other rpg too of that generation. all 3 games are in fact. they got even better with each scenario. panzer dragoon saga is the best rpg maybe of all time other than shenmue (2) if you consider that an rpg which I do.

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Saiyuki Journey West on Playstation is basically the exact same game as Shining Force III except a lot smoother, less sluggish, and more enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by Zz Badnusty

Saiyuki Journey West on Playstation is basically the exact same game as Shining Force III except a lot smoother, less sluggish, and more enjoyable.

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Lol, SJW is the exact same as SFIII as much as Tazmania is the exact same as Sonic the Hedgehog. :p I admit that I haven't played SJW, but it looks exactly like yet another Tactics Ogre clone. All the similarities to SFIII (in gameplay videos) look noticeably sluggish in comparison, not the other way around. Plus, like every Tactics clone I've seen, there's 90% less playfield than SFIII and I'm guessing no battle cinemas.

On paper, Feda should be just like Shining aForce, but the experience of the end result isn't even close.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

Lol, SJW is the exact same as SFIII as much as Tazmania is the exact same as Sonic the Hedgehog. :p I admit that I haven't played SJW, but it looks exactly like yet another Tactics Ogre clone. All the similarities to SFIII (in gameplay videos) look noticeably sluggish in comparison, not the other way around. Plus, like every Tactics clone I've seen, there's 90% less playfield than SFIII and I'm guessing no battle cinemas.

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Got the exact same impression.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

Lol, SJW is the exact same as SFIII as much as Tazmania is the exact same as Sonic the Hedgehog. :p I admit that I haven't played SJW, but it looks exactly like yet another Tactics Ogre clone. All the similarities to SFIII (in gameplay videos) look noticeably sluggish in comparison, not the other way around. Plus, like every Tactics clone I've seen, there's 90% less playfield than SFIII and I'm guessing no battle cinemas.

On paper, Feda should be just like Shining aForce, but the experience of the end result isn't even close.

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Well just like Feda, SF was derived from the Fire Emblem series, so all they are, are Fire Emblem games at the core, with there being twists to the other aspects to make them seem different.

However I don't see how anyone can call a SJW a SF clone, It's completely different as It's "roughly" based off the Tactics Ogre format, so yea someone is smoking some potent grass.

Well I certainly enjoyed Saiyuki a lot more than Shining Force III. And I've played SFIII, SF CD (thoroughly and repeatedly), SF Resurection Dark Dragon, and SF Sword of Hiyja or whatever on Game Gear. Whatever differences there are between the mechanics of Saiyuki and SFIII are for the better in favor of Saiyuki Journey West.
I was never a fan of the Ogre Battle games, and have never played Tactics Ogre. So excuse my ignorance toward the subtleties of the SRPG genre, the bottom line is I played through SFIII and was often impatient and bored with the battles, then I played through Saiyuki maybe 6 months later and though to myself "holy crap Shining Force III is over rated."

Not saying SFIII isn't a great game, I was certainly addicted to it, but at times it felt like a chore to play.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

Lol, SJW is the exact same as SFIII as much as Tazmania is the exact same as Sonic the Hedgehog. :p I admit that I haven't played SJW

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Huh? That's a dumb and and not even close to accurate analogy.
Seems like you are convinced you're going to like SFIII above all else no matter what.

Zz Badnusty, the distinction you've missed is that Saiyuki and most 32 bit (and onwards) SRPGs incorporate a 3D landscape, even if that just makes the field like a jumble of stairs. This is what makes games like Shining Force, Feda (Remake), and the Fire Emblems refreshing whether one has to go back a generation to find them. Ogre Battle is sui generis, a sort of real time map affair resembling an American football scrimmage that goes into cool looking tarot card based traditional style battles which however aren't quite cool enough to make up for the general tedium involved (had it got a proper 32 bit remake of the battle maps it would've been close). Tactics Ogre is like Shining Force plus the stairs effect. Others like Vandal Hearts have a sort of sham real time aspect where an enemy will move at the same time one of your characters moves, complicating the whole positioning process which for various reasons is overly important in those games.

So then how is Saiyuki not like Shining Force III?!
(And I have no clue as to how you get the idea that I missed the distinction that they incorporate 3D playfields)