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And that's why N64 was more successful than Gamecube. But that doesn't make it better; I don't play games for their leadership qualities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenewguy
You complain about ports coming late, yet you poo-poo games that came out on Gamecube first. I don't get what you have against multiplatform games.Quote:
Unlike the Gamecube where you sit around and every year or two you're thrown a 3rd party game which comes out 6 months early
It does have better 3rd party exclusives, even if it was for a year or 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenewguy
My initial statement was that it had better 3rd party support. You then decided to come up with a bunch of BS about how it didn't have better 3rd party exclusives than the N64. Resident Evil 0, Resident Evil: RE, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes and Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader are miles better than any exclusive 3rd party game you can come up with for the N64. You and I can pad lists until are faces turn blue, but those games are head and shoulders above any 3rd party titles available for the 2 systems.
That may be your opinion, but I didn't buy a Gamecube because of Nintendo's properties, I bought it for Rogue Leader first.Quote:
If I wanted to say the N64 was better than the Gamecube, I would've done exactly what I've done in this thread, said that the exclusives were disappointing, and that everything else was multi-platform
Goldeneye and 1080 are the only new Nintendo properties on your list. At least Myamoto brought Pikman to the Gamecube and Metroid Prime was pretty ground-breaking in its own right.Quote:
Nintendo broke new ground on N64 with titles like Mario 64, Ocarina, Wave Race, 1080, and Mario Kart with its 4-player split screen component, those titles stayed competitive for bloody years after they came out with no equivalents on competing machines until much later, heck, the closest equivalents those games had early on were games from RARE, and those games were also exclusive to N64 anyway, as well as their GoldenEye with its own excellent split screen 4-player deathmatch.
Wind Waker was disappointing, Mario Sunshine was disappointing, Double Dash was disappointing, Wave Race Blue Storm was disappointing, 1080 Avalanche was disappointing, Star Fox Assault was disappointing (albeit the multiplayer was actually very cool), Luigi's Mansion was disappointing. Sure a lot of these games were still fun, but none of them were leaders in their field anymore by any stretch of the imagination.[/quote]Quote:
On Gamecube Nintendo just went through the motions, no way were any of the first party games leaders in their respective fields anymore not even months after they arrived, yet alone years.
The only thing disappointing about Wind Waker, is the way the game goes about getting to the end. Up to that point, it was my favorite Zelda experience of all time. As a matter of fact, the DS Zelda games borrow a lot of the art style used in Celda. Mario Sunshine was different and it was certainly Nintendo trying to come up with new ideas, but it's not a bad game by any stretch of the imagination. Star Fox Assault isn't that great, but neither is Starfox 64; I didn't care for the ground levels in that game.
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door was very well recieved and an improvement upon the original. It recieved RPG of the year on some sites.
Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour is also a nice improvement upon the N64 game.
Mario Tennis: Power Tour was a solid title.
Donkey Konga: Jungle Beat was a very unique platformer.
Wario Ware Inc. was a new property that later appeared on the GBA.
Battalion Wars was an interesting strategy game.
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance is a solid strategy RPG.
Super Mario Strikers was Nintendo's enhanced version of soccer.
The Baton Kaitos games were critically praised.
Pikman games, which I've already mentioned, were praise worthy as well.
Pac-Man Vs.
Kirby Air ride
Animal Crossing
They were solid ports or released on the GC at the same time as the PS2 and Xbox.Quote:
Outside of that Gamecube didn't have RARE past more than one game, which immediately halves the amount of 1st & 2nd party games in comparison to N64.
Which leaves you with what? a whole ton of belated ports, and the few games which actually did stand up to their predessesors, Metroid Prime, F-Zero GX, Smash Bros Melee, as well as bits and pieces of new 2nd party games, such as Eternal Darkness.
Your math sucks.Quote:
The math is pretty easy to do -
N64 - RARE - 3rd Party Exclusives - genre defining titles + belated ports = Gamecube
You really don't want to go down that path, do you? The N64 was known as the kiddy system for a reason and Nintendo tried to shed that image with the Gamecube.Quote:
Gamecube was a disk-based system that was cheap to make games for, it had a whole ton of licenced shovelware ported to it from PS2 (seriously, check a list of the games, half of them are poorly rated games based on films and cartoons).
The Gamecube had some of the finest 3rd party titles available, even if they were on the other consoles. It had just about every category covered, while you couldn't say the same for the N64.
Super Monkeyball (and the rest)
SSX3
Burnout
Burnout 2
Knockout Kings Series
Beyond Good and Evil
I-Ninja
Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg
Gladius
Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (This is a great licensed game!)
Lego Star Wars
Lost Kingdoms
Ikaruga
Megaman X collection
Hitman 2
X-Men Legends
Viewtiful Joe
Killer 7
Timesplitters 2
Tony Hawk 3
Splinter Cell series
Tomb Raider Legend
Tales of Symphonia
Skys of Arcadia Legends (improved battle encounter rate)
Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy
Soul Calibur II
Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast
Need for Speed Carbon (Underground 2 etc.)
Beach Spikers
Alien Hominid
Bomberman Generation
Fight Night Round 2 (The Fight Night franchise is pretty good)
Gun
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
BloodRayne
Capcom vs. SNK2 EO
Goblin Commander
Resident Evil series
Spiderman
Sonic Anniversary Collection
Midway's Arcade Treasures (all 3 collections)
NHL Hitz 2002-2003
Yeah, I am in the position to make a comment about a sub-par racing game that mimmicks the shortcuts and crap used in San Francisco Rush. It's the Killer Instinct of racing games, with shallow play mechanics covered up by neat graphics. I don't care for racing games that use memorization of shortcuts and powerups as the main way to win a race, especially when the car physics are pretty much not there.Quote:
You're not in any position to even comment on that game, we already established that you didn't even bother playing it through the 1st championship, by the 3rd it speeds up tremendously and improves a lot, then, the game really shows itself when you start doing the crate challenges, at which point you realise that all the stages you've been playing are like 4 times the size that you thought they were and are ram packed with secrets, ramps, jumps, and nice touches (such as UFO's, and pirate ships).
I find Beetle Adventure Racing to actually be one of the least dated racing games of that era, simply because its so quirky, there aren't many games like it that came out later.
I believe everyone is well aware of the reception that Turok recieved. It was praised by many, but once you got past the pretty graphics, it was a pretty run of the mill FPS.Quote:
Total rubbish, the first two Turok games were extremely popular amongst gamers back in the day, N64 owners or not, and all the multi-format mags liked those games, I had friends who owned both Playstation and N64's, and they still rushed out to get Turok II when it arrived.
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The Capcom 5 says hello!Quote:
Capcom, and Namco did barely anything during the first few years of the systems lifespan, heck Namco barely did anything for Gamecube during its entire lifespan, they took advantage on Nintendo's relaxed stance to licencing out their IPs to milk some big series', and they released a handful of RPGs overall, but thats about it.
And yes, Namco brought a lot of their properties to the Gamecube, including I-Ninja, R: Racing Evolution, Tales of Symphonia and Pac-Man World 2. Namco also developed Donkey Konga for Nintendo.
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No, Nintendo tried to shed that image with the N64, and the N64 felt like the most "mature" console Nintendo ever made due to its large focus on 3rd, and 1st person shooters (as well as stuff like Conker)Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
That wasn't early on, which is specifically what I said "Sega were one of the only 3rd parties who supported them early on"Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Also Capcom's idea of support was to dump a ton of rushed ports on the system, and make idle promises about exclusives just to squeeze more money out of long suffering Gamecube owners, only to go back on pretty much everything they'd said.
Just a nitpick: Wario Ware first appeared on the GBA, the Gamecube game came later.
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And what part of that sentence says that it had more 3rd party exclusives?Quote:
Originally Posted by GV
I'll rephrase that last part for you: "better exclusives from those 3rd parties." I didn't put better in there twice, because it would have been redundant.
And I still stand behind that comment. Rogue Leader, Resident Evil: RE, Resident Evil: 0, Resident Evil 4 (It was an exclusive) and MGS: The Twin Snakes are better than any exclusive 3rd party title you can come up with for the N64.
You're right, but I don't consider Conkers to be a mature title.Quote:
No, Nintendo tried to shed that image with the N64, and the N64 felt like the most "mature" console Nintendo ever made due to its large focus on 3rd, and 1st person shooters (as well as stuff like Conker)
But that's not true. Capcom was there from day one, when they announce Resident Evil: RE and it was released in May of 2002, 5 months after the North American launch.Quote:
That wasn't early on, which is specifically what I said "Sega were one of the only 3rd parties who supported them early on"
Resident Evil: RE was not a rushed port, and neither was RE:0. Yeah, RE2 and RE3 were rushed ports of the PC and Dreamcast versions, and RE: CV X was a port of the PS2 game, but that was to be expected.Quote:
Also Capcom's idea of support was to dump a ton of rushed ports on the system, and make idle promises about exclusives just to squeeze more money out of long suffering Gamecube owners, only to go back on pretty much everything they'd said.
Another nitpick. The game is simply called Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat, not Donkey Konga. I hate it when people type it incorrectly...Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
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No, that's the platformer that came out after Donkey Konga. I have the original set of Bongos with Donkey Konga. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
I quite agree Turok was one of the most mature games I had ever seen at the time with the blood spiting out of people necks . It was rather silly of NCL to censor Duke Nukem 3D and it hurt the game imo .Quote:
No, Nintendo tried to shed that image with the N64, and the N64 felt like the most "mature" console Nintendo ever made due to its large focus on 3rd, and 1st person shooters (as well as stuff like Conker)
That's just not the case . Capcom were true to their word the trouble was market share , or more to the point the trouble of 3rd party games not selling that well on NCL systems compared to Nintendo . Also I will never class the likes of RE 0, RE 4, Killer 7, Viewtiful Joe as rushed games at all. Sadly the market wasn't there for Capcom and like with the DC they had to look elsewhere for salesQuote:
Also Capcom's idea of support was to dump a ton of rushed ports on the system, and make idle promises about exclusives just to squeeze more money out of long suffering Gamecube owners,
Not for me . The Cube was/is one of the worst consoles I've ever owned and so far behind the X-Box it was untrue . The N64 was an utter class system with a magic joypad and some of the best games to have ever come out of RARE and NCL and the likes of Iguana were simply on fire on the system , a true class system and the last truly great console NCL madeQuote:
Even the Gamecube had a better library of games compared to the N64, including compilations of Zelda, along with Wind Waker. It also had better 3rd party support and exclusives from those 3rd parties.
This is irrelevant and doesn't make any difference, my original reply was still relevant regardless, You were still the one to bring up 3rd party exclusives first.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
And AGAIN, Resident Evil 4 is NOT exclusive, coming out 6 months earlier on Gamecube doesn't suddently change the definition of a word, it makes it an original, I'm not counting originals, if I was that N64 list would've been twice as long anyway, Rayman 2 "was" exclusive to N64 for a few months by your definition, as was Bangai-O, Winback, and a ton of other games.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Worse still, in reality those PS2 ports are not bad at all, Viewtiful Joe, and Killer 7 may be better on Gamecube, but they are very similar on PS2, Resident Evil 4 has a bigger difference, but whilst graphically inferior it still looked good, and it had extra content. On the other hand though half the N64 originalls were awful on Playstation, Global Assault was horrific, Glover was horrific, Shadow Man was horrific, and Rayman 2 was worse on PS1 as well (the DC version was obviously better than N64 though)
Also Resident Evil, and Metal Gear Solid are not exclusives, they're remakes
REmake wasn't part of the Capcom 5, the Capcom 5 were announced in late 2002 and were all supposedly going to be Gamecube exclusives, they were Resident Evil 4, Dead Phoenix, PN03, Viewtiful Joe, and Killer 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Killer 7, Viewtiful Joe, and Resident Evil 4 all ended up ported, PN03 was panned, and Dead Phoenix was cancelled
That whole "Capcom 5" BS was one of the shittiest, most disappointing things about owning a Gamecube back in the day.
Separately to the Capcom 5, Capcom decided that they had a new audience who'd missed out on the Resident Evil series that they could dump old software onto to make some easy money.
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Anyway, this should finish off the 1st year of N64 software (Oct 1996-Oct 1997), there were a few games which I couldn't find scans for online (damn shame about Megaupload going down, as I've actually read most of the next year of CVGs but deleted them from my harddrive, and Retromags had more EGMs), but for the most part the important releases are represented.
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I'm probably going to carry it over until the end of 1997, as there were a lot of christmas releases that arrived just after the cut-off point.
I just didn't play the N64 much, because I was always playing Saturn and Playstation games. I wasn't interested in Rare's First Person Shooters, because I had already been through Nuke Dukem, Doom 1&2, Castle Wofenstein 3D and Alien Vs. Predator. Those shooters just felt like I was going through the motion and I quickly got bored with them. I wouldn't go back to the FPS genre until Halo came out. I wasn't interested in Banjo Kazoie either, because I really didn't want to play another platfomer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
My biggest problem with the N64, was a lack of good software after the launch and it wouldn't get better for at least another year. By the time the software started arriving, the Playstation had already hit its stride and I was getting good Saturn titles on the cheap. Yeah, if the N64 was all you owned, it was a good console after 1997. I just didn't play it much, until Rogue Squadron arrived and again, got bored with Perfect Dark, but did enjoy Jetforce Gemini.
The Gamecube, on the other hand, had a solid launch and a steady flow of good games its first year. The 3rd party support was there, and it shared many of those titles with the PS2 and Xbox. And Even though Rare was gone, they still left us with Starfox Adventures. Hardware wise, the GC wasn't hindered by the limited space of a cart and the system was capable of creating graphics on par, or better than the Xbox.
In the end, the N64 and Gamecube were my least played consoles for their generations of hardware. Which is such a shame, because they followed up what I consider to be one of the greatest consoles of all-time, the SNES.
Better than most of the shit that came developed by NCL imo and you can't really blame Capcom for porting the games to other systems due to weak-ish sales . When it came to games and 3rd party support the Cube was piss poor and NCL should take almost all the blame for that.Quote:
That whole "Capcom 5" BS was one of the shittiest, most disappointing things about owning a Gamecube back in the day
It's on the Box 'Only For' . Trouble was Capcom spend millions on the title and it was clear than the Cube market share for games wasn't really there (and I'm talking weekly sales of games)Quote:
And AGAIN, Resident Evil 4 is NOT exclusive, coming out 6 months earlier on Gamecube doesn't suddently change the definition of a word,
Oh, REALLY? Is this why you can barely make a single comment on any game or system without an army of people telling you that you're full of it? Your perception and opinions are the most LOL-worthy tripe anyone has posted on this site in years, and I'd venture to guess that it's a similar story on other forums you frequent. Think about it... haven't you noticed that people argue with you a lot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
But oh, I get it. It's not you, it's the internet that's incorrect.
Uh huh... What qualifies you to make a valid assessment of what other people are getting out of these games? Here's the thing, the N64 Zelda games, like all 3D games from that era, have aged very poorly. The fact that they can still be enjoyed by someone like myself who never played them back in the day speaks significantly about the gameplay. I think I'm a better judge of gameplay than you are, and I say what's found in the 3D Zelda games is just as good as what was in the 2D games (better, as in the case of the original Legend of Zelda).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
Do you know why I think you have special needs? Because you say stuff like this. See, I know you've never played Super Mario Galaxy. It is nothing like Sonic Adventure, and the fact that you're still saying this is just pathetic. I brought up SMG as an example of how pathetically misguided your perceptions and opinions are, and you just helped me prove it all over again. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
Resident Evil 4 WAS exclusive for a significant amount of time. Gamecube is the system that game is associated with and I know plenty of people who bought a Gamecube just for that game. This isn't like the N64 where these games were developed to be multiplatform only to come out first on one system, these are games that were built from the ground up to be Gamecube exclusives. They were only ported due to demand for the games on other systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenewguy
Resident Evil 4 was and still is an excellent reason to own a Gamecube. That's the point.
And Remakes can count as being exclusive you know. The remake of Resident Evil is radically different from the PS1 original. And up until the Wii rerelease you could only get it on Gamecube. That makes it an exclusive game. Again, an excellent reason to get a Gamecube around it's launch and still an excellent reason to own a Gamecube.
Of the last Generation of consoles I'd say Gamecube was the one I played and enjoyed the most. A lot of that has to do with Phantasy Star Online but I really enjoyed just about every game I got for the system. And I still pick up games for it when I see them for cheap. I'd have Xbox and Dreamcast tied for Second, with PS2 in last. While the PS2 is a good system, beyond Square Enix's RPGs, some games from Konami, and GTA there's not much that really makes me want to go back and play it beyond PS1 games.
The one good thing about this thread, is that with all of these scans its made me disagree with this point as well (which I originally took for granted), that 1st year isn't bad at all, that is respectable, maybe its not as diverse, or as high in numbers as the PS1, and Saturn, but there are tons of popular consoles out there which had worse 1st years than that, I can easily see 9 odd games I would've snapped up in a second, and there's a further 5 or 6 which I found enjoyable on top of thatQuote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
The scans have reminded me how much I love Blast Corps, Mario Kart 64, Star Fox 64, and Wave Race, Mario 64 was amazing at the time, and I really enjoyed Pilotwings, Goldeneye, Turok, and ISS 64 too.
Tetrisphere was entertaining, Doom 64 was entertaining, I liked Turok, Extreme G was entertaining (I couldn't find a review in CVG for this but it was also a 1st year game), Wayne Gretzky was entertaining.
and this is up until October, wait another month and you have the set of Christmas releases, Mischief Makers, Top Gear Rally, Duke Nukem 64, and Diddy Kong Racing (as well as the previously unseen US football games making an appearance)
You could argue that the 1st 6 months sucked maybe.
Eh no -_-Quote:
Originally Posted by Trekkies
As I said earlier, a ton of these N64 originalls were ported to PS1, and they ended up a mess, it doesn't even take much playing of Rayman 2 before you realise the game was designed, and highly optimised for N64, the PS1 version is compromised all over the bloody place with missing paths, downgraded environments, and missing moves, and the PC version doesn't even begin to use the hardware capabilities, its just the N64 version with slightly nicer texturing and no filtering.
Glover, Forsaken, Shadow Man, Global Assault, Lego Racers, Snowboard Kids, are nothing short of a mess on Playstation, they're full of glitches, bad camera's, poor framerates, and downgraded graphics.
In fact I don't think there was even 1 case where N64 -> PS1 actually worked out, every example turned out really bad on PS1, they're just not compatible.