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When I was working at retail from about 2004-2006 the N64's big five were at least as popular as newer PS2 and Xbox games if not more so. I recall seeing a chart at one point showing that N64 sales was right up there with the dominant PS2 in total sales. The current manager of the same store still says that keeping N64 games in stock is his most profitable and quick to turn around stock.
Is it that you can't read, or that you just adlib to better fit your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenewguy
I stated that I was 27 when the N64 came out and that I had friends in their early 20's.
I was a project manager by 23, with guys younger than me working (with me) on out of town and in town projects. I had a room mate all the way up to age 28, with a 1350 sq. ft. apartment overlooking the swimming pool. We had parties all the time and on weekends my stereo speakers were out on the balcony as we played Water Volleyball in the pool. I had a very social life, so gaming on the norm with friends was burning one, playing a sports game, or what have you, and then heading out to the clubs. We were all sowing our wild oats, so there was no working extra hard for a promotion and what have you. I was already working hard at the age of 21, or even earlier when I was attending school and working 40 hours a week.
Yeah, once you get out of college, there's no sitting around with a bunch of friends for hours on end playing games. Hopefully, you're getting out in the world and socializing, I sure did. And I didn't get married until I was 31, and met my wife when I was 29.
Iowa is not my local area. As a matter of fact it's over 500 miles away from Dallas Texas.Quote:
Firstly your local area doesn't interest anybody, and doesn't mean anything, all places are not the same.
Goldeneye 64 was quite popular on the college scene as were the South Park games of the time.
I've argued this point before and I don't agree at all, the Saturn is in the same boat as the N64 where it comes to variety, it has more of what can be considered entertaining games, sure, but variety is thin on the ground as most of the best games fall into either the fighting, or scrolling shmup brackets, with a healthy amount of RPGsQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
Saturn is absolutely appalling for 3D platform games, there's next to nothing worth playing in that genre on the system at all, Saturn 3D platforming area is just as bad as the N64's RPGs, in fact its arguably worse, as I'd take the likes of Paper Mario, and Ogre Battle 64 over "decent" games like Croc, and Bug any day of the week.
Saturn is also pretty bad for racing games, the very idea of sitting there playing the same handful of tracks in Sega Rally, and Daytona for 3 years odd makes me shudder, and Need For Speed was only notable early on and was superceded extremely quickly, offering nothing worth seeing within a year of release not available in every other 3D racer out there. The Saturn racing genre has no variety, the few Kart racers are uncompetitive, there's nothing like Wave Race, there's barely any futuristic racers at all outside of the Wipeout ports, there's no 4-player features, there are no long championship modes, and there's no driving sims of merit. its library is just a handful of short arcade racers. Saturn racing genre is just as bad as the N64 fighting genre, a couple of great games, a handful of alright games, and a whole bunch of really mediocre, and bad games.
Saturn has no action adventure games even remotely comparable to the likes of Soul Reaver, and Ocarina/Majora, there are no huge, seamlessly joining worlds to explore and see in Saturn action games, Tomb Raider comes close (though is not in the same league at either of those two games in quality or ambition), but its all separate levels, and areas. If you want to get anything like that you have to go back to old 16-bit style 2D, and isometric games, and its just not the same at all.
Heck even the 3rd person action genre is barely supported, with the likes of Burning Rangers being the biggest notable, Amok was alright, where are the Syphon Filter's? the Winbacks?, the MDKs? the Jet Force Gemini's? are there even any good vehicular combat games? where are the Vigilante 8s? the Battletanx's?, the Road Trips?
Saturn is like the polar opposite of the N64 in a lot of ways, awesome fighting games but hardly any good racing games, respectable numbers of RPGs but crap all platformers, an emphasis on 2D games instead of 3D games etc.
I'm afraid the only console with all areas sewn up that generation was clearly the PS1, doesn't mean it was "obviously" the best, but it does mean that it had something great to offer everyone.
Which could (and probably does) mean you knew like two guys in their early 20s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamevet
We've had this thread; sheath and I resurrected it not long ago; it was originated by 16 Bitter. You should have no trouble finding it. --- ps one of my comments about the N64 towards the thread's current end, which Sketch took exception to, should be read as a burlesque of 16 Bitter's opening gibe.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
This is true. Actually I wouldn't put Tomb Raider into the 3D Adventure class either, it's more like a 2.5D Spelunker--2.5 because very little action ever occurs on a diagonal, it's all gridwork jumping. The PS version is loads better anyway unless one's looking for sheer gimped challenge due to bad visibility and controls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenewguy
'Teenager' is a uselessly vague term. 13 is very far removed from 19. I think the age bracket statement about the 64 is better put thus: that the N64 is primarily championed by people who were 15 and under when they got it as their first system. And having owned a mouldy NES or Atari in a closet nobody ever played would not disqualify the 64's being one's first system. Gamevet's also right about the controllers. The machine itself didn't look too hot either; the curvature is excellent but the matte smoke colour fairly unconvincing, and that's what defines kiddiness in a game machine, the inability to take it seriously as a piece of electronics.
Another broad truth is that most people who dislike the PS, call its graphics dated and all that bullshit, know exceeding little of it, the exact correspondent to saying the 64 only had Mario, Zelda, Goldeneye, Pilotwings, and a bunch of furry 3D run-about-and-grab-the-coin crap.
@ Trekkies = we've already had our argument about when the PS became a hit, but its `97 sales weren't due as much to FF7 as to Crash and Tomb Raider late in `96.
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Originally Posted by Thenewguy
Please help him number 1.
I had, and still have, the Saturn and N64, and my PSX was resurrected as a PS2 (since my PSX's kept dying), and then as a PS3 (which I went and found a BC capable model since my PS2 died).
Of the trio, I loved the Saturn and liked the other 2. The N64 was not a "bad" system, it simply had poor overall support... but the support it got tended to be very polar... it was either phenomenal to really good (Nintendo/Rare) or absolute crap (Superman 64). The Saturn and PSX had a much deeper pool of games to fill in the gaps between them.
I won't dispute that PS1 has more variety than the SS but here's what the SS has that the N64 doesn't to any notable degree:Quote:
Originally Posted by thenewguy
- 2d Shooters
- 2d platformers
- Fighting games (I am a Smash Bros. fan but it's clear the SS wins here for handdrawn and polygon fighters)
- Gun games
- Beat 'em ups
- Graphic adventures (not the best genre on SS as it's mostly PC ports but I recall liking Lunacy)
- RPGs (outside of Paper Mario)
- Classic compilations covering almost every genre.
You have good points about the areas the Saturn was weak in but the number of areas the N64 was weak in still seems much larger to me. The SS has a bunch of good 2d and 3d games at least. That accounts for a lot of variety. What great 2d games are there on N64? Wonder Project J2 which never came out in English? If we include games like that then we'll have to include even more games like Policenauts on SS. Man, I wish Nanatsu Kaze no Shima Monogatari was translated.
The N64 has an advantage for first-person shooters but since those were so much better on PC, that advantage doesn't mean much to me. Plus, it's not like the SS had nothing. Powerslave/Exhumed has actually aged pretty well.
Ogre Battle's cool but the SS has a handful of good strategy games.
You're describing a weakness more against the PS1 than the N64, IMO. I would take Burning Rangers over Winback and JFG. Both the SS and N64 lack for quantity here.Quote:
Heck even the 3rd person action genre is barely supported, with the likes of Burning Rangers being the biggest notable, Amok was alright, where are the Syphon Filter's? the Winbacks?, the MDKs? the Jet Force Gemini's?
For cars? The SS is lacking. For mechs, there's Bulk Slash, Virtual On, and Gungriffon so that ties in with the aforementioned 3rd person action genre somewhat.Quote:
are there even any good vehicular combat games? where are the Vigilante 8s? the Battletanx's?, the Road Trips?
The SS also seems to have more games that are quirky or don't fall into traditional/major genres: NiGHTS, various pinball games, Mr. Bones, Wonder 3, Pulirula, Digital Dance Mix, Gals Panic SS, Funky Head Boxers, etc..
I've more than once entertained the possibility that you and 16bitter are the same person.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarMist
Yeah your trolling of us both has made that pretty clear. All the same thanks for the praise.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMatthews
@ NZE = Wonder 3 and Pulirula are also on Playstation. Gun Frontier is the only Arcade Gears that comes to mind which isn't. Prikura Daisakusen would be a good replacement in the miscellaneous game category.
True but the comparison was Saturn vs. Nintendo 64 variety, it wasn't about exclusivity.
That's a beaten horse. We've already been through that with the 3rd party support for the Gamecube vs. N64. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
Then I'm not the only one who thought that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMatthews
To Neo: Shouldn't it be though, exclusives is what makes a system better or worse then another, the other games are just fillers, unless for some reason the other versions are so bad, it might as well be exclusive.
If It's between N64, and Saturn, that's a hard choice, Goldeneye is just godly, F-Zero is amazing, and such. However with that said, the Saturn probally has a better quantity vs Quality ratio, so based on pure statistics(not counting personal opinion), I would have to say the Saturn has at alittle bit better library.
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Originally Posted by MrMatthews
Beautiful. Just beautiful. MrMatthews and Zoltor think alike.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Zoltor
Saturn racing games like Out Run, Daytona USA CE, and a couple others provide analoge acceleration and breaking, that right there outclasses N64 in some regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenewguy
Daytona CE also provides for system link 2-screen play. I'll take that over poor frame rate split screen of N64.
For vehicular combat Saturn has VATLVA which is sorely overlooked and underrated. And Scorcher might count in that category too.
And for platformers you must be joking? Saturn has Liquid Kids, Astal, Super Tempo, Silhouette Mirage, Shin Shinobi Den, Mickey & Donald collection, Rockman 8, Keio Yugekitai, and a bunch more ...again completely outclassing N64
And for action adventure, how about Dark Savior, Legend of Oasis, and Magic Knight Rayearth. I'd take those over any of the ones you listed for N64.