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There's a Big difference between Horror games and games that use a horror theme. I mean Saturn also had the likes of Castlevania on its , but I'll never class it as a Survival Horror type game myself. That's overlooking how the Saturn also had the likes of Torico , D, Hiden Souls ECT.
I mentioned Castlevania because I think the N64 games are more legitimately horror-themed than many other games in the series... I mean, all of the games have the monsters and some creepiness here and there, but the N64 games have more adventure elements that give the game a creepier atmosphere than most other Castlevania games. But no, it's not survival horror.
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Never said it wasn't a bad game, its not even close to being a Traditional RPG though and its not SAGA type epic
Epic N64 RPG? I guess that's either Quest 64 (I know, almost everyone hates it; I haven't played it, but expect I probably would too), or the WRPG Aidyn Chronicles, which as I say in the review thread, is pretty seriously flawed, but hugely ambitious and wide in scope, and I do really like the game despite its serious problems.
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I could say the same about anyone even trying to make out that Hybrid Heaven is a good game . To me RS was average on the N64 , different story on the Cube though imo.
I love the Cube Rogue Squadron games, but RS1/BfN on the N64 are even better, in my opinion.
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You want to play that sad little game > Fine Stellar Assault is free roaming and far better than RS imo , so are the likes of Thunder Hawk II.
Ah... no, free-roam shooters being a different genre from rail shooters is not a "sad little game". If anything the reverse is true -- trying to combine those two quite different genres makes little sense.
I mean, I like both a lot, but they are certainly quite different. And RS1 (and BfN) are both way better than Thunderstrike 2. I haven't played Stellar Assault SS, though.
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Yep , Its always about gameplay . . I take the point about Manx TT which is why I tend never to highlight the game , it was a game that really needed a full sitdown Arcade cab and that was a massive apart of its appeal .
I never liked that game all that much in the arcades either, though.
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Sorry imo the game looked like crap and even with the 4 Meg cart featured muddy graphics and its frame rate was shit did it ever hit 30 fps and the less said about the handling the better ...
As I said in my review, it's the High Res mode that gives it that bad framerate, actually (and forces it into widescreen too, annoyingly). Use normal res, the framerate is completely stable.
As for the graphics, Excitebike 64, particularly in its outdoor (ie not arena) courses, is an amazing looking game. Incredible, incredible work all around, in gameplay, graphics, feature set, level design, controls, and everything else -- it really is right at the top of the motorcycle racing game genre, up there with Moto Racer 1 and 2. It well might be my overall favorite motorcycle racing game, in fact.
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This isn't about the PS , its about Saturn and N64 not that I even liked GT anyway (Toca World Tour and Toca II were far better sims imo) . I liked Need For Speed more than WDC yes and the 2 player mode in NSF to be utterly brilliant.
I've never liked racing sims at all, pretty much, but on that note, NFS1 really isn't a sim. It has some sim elements, but it's not a full-on sim, it's also significantly arcadey. Saturn doesn't really have full-on racing sims, I think... the N64 has several, both F1 and car (normal racing or rally). And it has more futuristic racing games too, again much better on average, and more racing games total. Sure, I love Sega Rally and Daytona, but it's clear which is the better system overall for racing games.
As for NFS1, as I've said, it's an okay game, but I'd rank it last of the first four NFS games... II, III, and High Stakes are all better games. High Stakes (PC ver.) is probably my favorite overall NFS game. It's either that or Hot Pursuit 2010.
Oh, and um, the N64 completely destroys the Saturn in terms of multiplayer racing games... about half of N64 racing games have four player modes, while there's only one such game on the Saturn, Street Racers, and it's a SNES up-port and wasn't released in the US. Also there is only one single N64 racing game which does not have multiplayer (one of the system's weakest racing games, F-1 Pole Position 64), while on Saturn (and, 1995-1997, the Playstation too) there are many racing games with no multiplayer. That is to say, even if there's one you like on Saturn, the N64 wins overall.
(Oh, and as for vaguely NFS-like racers on the N64, there's not a lot because EA's N64 support was abysmal apart from sports games, but they did publish Beetle Adventure Racing, which I've always thought of as playing sort of like NFS meets SF Rush. Very good game, though I do like the Rush series more. And yes, it has a solid 2 player race mode, and a 4 player battle mode too.)
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Think I'll stick with Gun Griffon series myself and it I really want a Tank fix I'll just play Mass Destruction .
Mass Destruction is a good game, sure, but it's certainly not as good as either Battletanx game. No multiplayer, either.
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Again , This is Saturn and N64 not other machines . I was just making the point that we can all highlight the odd genre why a console is lacking when it suits us .
Both systems are lacking in some genres, as I've said.
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It doesn't have any , which is the point I was making
No, it has one, it just doesn't have gun support. Do games like Revolution X (on any system) or Midnight Raiders (Sega CD) not count as lightgun-style games just because they don't support guns? I think not.
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Space Invaders , Lets not go there and I don't want to even try and begin to list the great Saturn 2D shooters ..
Activision's Space Invaders remake was a good game, actually. Of course the N64 can't match the Saturn's shmups library, but the few it has are good.
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Not on to much there are we ?. Think I stick with Shining Force and Dragon Force
Ogre Battle 64's one of the best of the generation, but sure, there's not a lot beyond it.
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Athletics you know like Track and Field and Winter Olympic on the N64 is truly dire , Winter Heat pisses on it .
I've never played any of the olympic/winter games style stuff on any of the consoles that generation or newer, so I can't comment on any of them. I can just say that I kind of liked Accolade's Winter Games and Summer Games (both for PC and Genesis) and Tiny Toon Adventures: Wacky Sports Challenge (SNES), but haven't really played any newer than those.
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Quite a few on the Saturn too and we all know no Bomberman on the N64 held a candle to the Saturn version
We do? I just said that overall the N64 Bomberman games are better than the one good Saturn one, though. And sure, it's good, but they are better overall. Much more variety of good games, too; the Saturn may have three Bomberman games, but only one is good. The N64 has four, all good. (This is one the Playstation actually loses, of course; it has only two, one good.)
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Now I love the N64 and many of its games, but in a few genre it came way up short , that won't stop me loving the system though
I would agree with this, just obviously not on the details. :)
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StarMist
Outrun holds up fine against 5th gen titles, mostly by being something completely different from them. The Genesis Outruns not so much but the arcade-perfect Outrun certainly does. It also gained some throwback charm over the decade since its arcade release.
At least Outrun had an actual series race, where you raced through multiple races in an attempt to win a championship, unlike far too many racing games from that era... and yeah, as I said earlier, it was great to finally see a good, accurate port of the game, yeah. It was needed.
(Oh, and as for Genesis Outrun, I don't like Outrun or Turbo Outrun very much at all, but Outrun 2019's fantastic. It's one of Sega's only Genesis games with fake scaling at a decent framerate and with good visuals, too. As for OutRunners, it's really ugly looking, but surprisingly enough it actually is kind of fun to play...)
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The idea of playing Sim Racers for years is a joke, they last a week. Beat the qualifying trials, buy a new car, beat the first circuit, buy a new car, beat the next circuit, buy a new car, beat the Champion mode, buy a new car, beat the unlocked Hard mode, win the super car, try a couple laps out with the super car, throw the game out. Who bothers refining his times on tedious "realistic" tracks that look like the road to one's supermarket? Rally games and Wipeout are made for time attack polishing, that's why they last for years.
I've never found time attack modes interesting... I want to be racing against other players, not just the clock. That's why rally games, Pod/Wipeout/etc. for timetrials, and the like, which seem to be really popular in Europe, just never interested me... I find racing on an empty track, against only the clock, boring. Racing against others is what makes racing games fun. (And on that note, Trackmania games are better than most timetrial games in part because of the puzzle-like tracks, but also because you race against ghosts all the time, so you're never alone on the track, at least, even if it's not as exciting as a racing game against other cars.)
I have always found realistic racing games uninteresting too, though, sure. :)
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Your SNES/Saturn comparison holds water only if your mean the best or above avg SNES games, the avg SNES or Genny platformer is rot.
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Tarzan on N64 and moreso on PS is an excellent game in the tradition of the 16 bit Disney vehicles so there's no shame in saying something doesn't live up to it.
This is true, yeah.
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A Link to the Past is superior to Soul Reaver and for that matter OoT; and if you want the unsettling atmosphere Blood Omen smokes it. I enjoy 3D games too but 3D doesn't automatically make anything better (for racing games it's the closest).
Link to the Past's a good game, but I'm not nearly as much of a fan of it as some people. In the Zelda series, I'd rank OoT, LA, OoA, and TP all above it for sure. SS and OoS, maybe, too. It's a great game, but it was surpassed. (Oh, and LA is the best 2d Zelda game. :) )
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Wipeout 64 is not easily on par with XL, it has simplistic textures making it much harder to see in (or were you playing these games at PAL speed?), an inferior soundtrack and inferior audio both which make a big difference when polishing track records for several hours. Wipeout and iirc XL supported the link calbe for full screen 2P which for the game Wipeout is (a perfectionist's game) far outweighs 4P splitscreen, as if one can really find 3 other good racers who won't be hampered by playing on a kaleidoscoped screen. Anyway the first Wipeout is better than either.
Wipeout 64 has graphics just as good as XL, except with much better analog controls, four player splitscreen, and better game design. Oh, and there might be less music in the soundtrack, but what is there is great. And as for link cable support... seriously, almost nobody ever used a link cable mode. Too high a barrier of entry. Heck, the Saturn versions of both Wipeout and XL don't even have multiplayer at all... I doubt many people cared, given that it was link cable only in both games on the PS1.
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Rush 2049 is one of the absolute worst high profile racers ever, the Primal Rage of racing.
Rush 2049 is not just one of the best racing games ever, it is the best game ever made in which you drive in vehicles. It's easily in my top five or ten best console games of all time, and as I say in my review in the other thread, my most played console game of all time, too. Utterly exceptional game in almost every way.
Oh, and as for Primal Rage, never cared about that one. The first San Francisco Rush, though, is one of the best arcade racing games ever made, hands down! Rush the Rock: Alcatraz Edition, even better. That well might be my all-time favorite arcade racing game. Awesome looking bright green cabinet, exceptional gameplay... doesn't get much better than that.
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You were correct about a couple things: Croc is certainly not a great game of any kind, and j factor's defence of the Saturn for its early death is nonsense.
Bah, Croc is a good game! I've always liked it. I must say though, I've never played it on Saturn, only PC and Playstation. But it appears to be the same game, and I would like to get it for Saturn too.
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DKR is just horrid, with hideous levels, characters, audio, and a sickening degree of contrived kiddiness. Mario Kart 64 completely outclasses it.
You underrate DKR. It may not be quite as great as MK64, but still, it's a very good game, easily the generation's second best kart racing game I would say. I'd probably put Rare's other N64 kart racer, Mickey's Speedway USA, in third... not sure what next.
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Utter tosh. If this is a great RPG Albert Odyssey and MKR are masterpieces.
It's always sad when you see someone bashing a great, great game like Paper Mario absolutely is... :(
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Superb game. Don't know what he's talking about either.
Every incredible game must have someone who hates it, I guess. As you just proved in your previous statement.
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This category is PS all the way. Fear Effect 1 and 2 trump all the RE style games including Deep Fear, Blood Omen trumps the Castlevanias (though I think them at least equal to Soul Reaver), it has Silent Hill, more Clock Towers, Countdown Vampires, Vampire Hunter D, TRAG (RE mechanics if not properly horror). Creature Shock and Space Hulk are on both SS/PS; I believe there's a special edition of CS on Saturn but wouldn't imagine it adds anything much (may even have been the edition I played, I don't know the regular game well enough to have noticed). Saturn also has the eight disk Phantasm, PS the something Jin highschool terror games.
I agree about the Playstation crushing the competition in horror games, yeah. It has far, far more of them, and they're overall better too. Of course some of those games are multiplatform (RE games, Space Hulk, Blood Omen/Soul Reaver, Dino Crisis, etc.), but a bunch more aren't.
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What's this mean? Pinball Quest is highly notable and straight up Pinball was well regarded till later compilations emulated the original machine it's based on. Pinball's 1st party too, though I don't see how that matters.
Pinball Quest was fun, yeah, but it's third party... but yes, you're right, Nintendo did publish Pinball. That's their one and only TV-console pinball game, I think.
Their handheld ones really can be great, though. Kirby's Pinball Land is one of the Game Boy's best games, and Revenge of the Gator's quite good too. Galactic Pinball on Virtual Boy's great as well. I don't think very much of Pokemon Pinball, though, and haven't played Pokemon Pinball 2 or Mario's Pinball Land on GBA, or Metroid Prime Pinball on DS.
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This game's like Torneko on the PS or Evolution on DC; few would call them traditional.
Last I checked, roguelikes predate Final Fantasy. So it's even more traditional, really! :)
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64 is cool. As a trivial point the Saturn also has Bomberman Wars, a sort of crossover into the strategy genre. I wouldn't recommend it but it's there.
Bomberman Wars is a strategy game? Huh. Looked somewhat FMV-ish too, yes?
