Is It Me, or Does the Nintendo 64 SUCK?!

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

So according to you, I sould lower my standards? I'm not gonna roll over like you have, and let companies get away with releasing lesser quality games with each release they make. Companies are testing the market to see how little effort they can put into a game, yet still get away with it.

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I don't buy new games either, they don't appeal to me, I however don't profess to be an authority on the subject. My last purchase was Starcraft 2 and it greatly disappointed me. My problem. Accept that people have lower standards than you. Back in the old days you had much worse games than you have now. We're talking much worse shovelware than CoD (Aero the Acrobat? Bubbsy? All the FMV garbage? Remember those?).

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

Dreamcast has cache issues(the damn thing keeps storing more, and more info, much like ram in a PC, that's why DC loads so super fast. The prombem is, the info in the cache is never emptied), they will become unuseable after awhile. Someone on this site claimed if you went a long time without playing, it slowly empties, but damn I hate to imagine how many weeks or months that would take(expecting us not to play MvC2, Shenmue, SA2, ect for that long, good luck). We went through over two dozen DCs atleast.

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Not this shit again.

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

Dreamcast has cache issues(the damn thing keeps storing more, and more info, much like ram in a PC, that's why DC loads so super fast. The prombem is, the info in the cache is never emptied), they will become unuseable after awhile. Someone on this site claimed if you went a long time without playing, it slowly empties, but damn I hate to imagine how many weeks or months that would take(expecting us not to play MvC2, Shenmue, SA2, ect for that long, good luck). We went through over two dozen DCs atleast.

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That's our Zoltor!

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

We've noticed, the problem is that you rubber stamp that label on everything and complain about nobody else joining you in your cause.



What exactly are you doing to make these companies "Not get away with it"?

You've lost all credibility and influence toward other people you interact with on the internet due to your insulting demeanor and whining with baseless, debunked logic. So if you're not getting others to stop buying games. What are you doing to fight the companies?



You know nothing. Taken at face value, you have discarded over two dozen Dreamcasts with the wrong diagnosis.


It seems like you hate things, and seek to discredit them by any means. Even if you look like an idiot, repeat yourself, and nobody believes you.
I think you're mentally ill and in dire need of a new hobby, but I'm no doctor.

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That coming from a guy who likes Oblivion, a game that's all map, with almost no content to fill it.


I'm not giving them mony for such POS games, that's what.

My insulting demeanor, you shouldn't talk, most of the times I'm just blunt, you on the other hand, how should I put this? Anyone worse then you, has been perm banned.

Man you think FF, and Oblivion are good games for crying out loud, unlike you, I actually know for yes a "FACT" what makes a good game, It's not a opinion based thing, "game design" is based on Variables, It's simple basic math(poor map design, bad systems/poorly implimented systems, lack of content, and exc= a POS game).

To Kamahl: Atleast you don't give such companies money, but I don't want to simply ignore the bad games, and I'm pissed at all the amazing franchises they have ruined. With that said though, there are some really amazing games, so I suggest you don't write off new games in general, but damn you're gonna have to do some digging to find the good games.

I'm sure if we asked Zoltor about the Neo CD's slow load times, he'd say it's because the flux capacitor is clogged with the souls of weeaboos.

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

That coming from a guy who likes Oblivion, a game that's all map, with almost no content to fill it.


I'm not giving them mony for such POS games, that's what.

My insulting demeanor, you shouldn't talk, most of the times I'm just blunt, you on the other hand, how should I put this? Anyone worse then you, has been perm banned.

Man you think FF, and Oblivion are good games for crying out loud, unlike you, I actually know for yes a "FACT" what makes a good game, It's not a opinion based thing, "game design" is based on Variables, It's simple basic math(poor map design, bad systems/poorly implimented systems, lack of content, and exc= a POS game).

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How the fuck would you know? You've not even played the game!

Seriously, you're an idiot. No cares for your "opinions". Every post you make is just making you look more of a fool.

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

My insulting demeanor, you shouldn't talk, most of the times I'm just gloriously ignorant.

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**MrMatthews once again displays his power to cut through Zoltor's nonsense and reveal the glistening truthiness within**

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

you on the other hand, how should I put this? Anyone worse then you, has been perm banned.

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Aw, now Zoltor's playing nice. Hear that, Knuckle Duster? You're better than all those chumps who have been banned! Keep it up, goodbuddy!

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

How the fuck would you know? You've not even played the game!

Seriously, you're an idiot. No cares for your "opinions". Every post you make is just making you look more of a fool.

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I have played that POS, thank you very much. That game's so called content is buying pointless houses, and doing very dull quests. Exploring is pointless in that game, there's only a handful of dungeons, and there's next to no item based contents, so you never get a payoff for exploring or killing anything that Isn't a boss.

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

I have played that POS, thank you very much. That game's so called content is buying pointless houses, and doing very dull quests. Exploring is pointless in that game, there's only a handful of dungeons, and there's next to no item based contents, so you never get a payoff for exploring or killing anything that Isn't a boss.

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Bullshit. What you just described is not Oblivion.

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Bullshit. What you just described is not Oblivion.

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That is Oblivion, how can you say that, when the world map is empty, the enemies never drop anything, but the most basic equipment in VG history, and treasure chests almost never have anything but expendable items, basic/non magic based equipment, and chunk change amounts of gold?

It's one of the most barebones games ever made.

Hey Zoltor, I have an idea. Rather than talk about games you dislike, why don't you talk more about games you enjoy, that way people won't argue with you so much.

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Originally Posted by eddiespruce

Hey Zoltor, I have an idea. Rather than talk about games you dislike, why don't you talk more about games you enjoy, that way people won't argue with you so much.

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I suppose I could do that, there's plenty of awesome games in existance.

It's a little late for that, Eddie, but I'd love to watch the show if Zoltor were to attempt something like that.

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

That is Oblivion, how can you say that, when the world map is empty, the enemies never drop anything, but the most basic equipment in VG history, and treasure chests almost never have anything but expendable items, basic/non magic based equipment, and chunk change amounts of gold?

It's one of the most barebones games ever made.

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Again, you've not played it: you loot their corpses for armour, weapons and items they're carrying. As for the rest, bull. You can make your own magic items.

You've clearly not played the game and any attempt to prove otherwise is just making you look more of an idiot. Bravo.

He still hasn't answered the question. What exactly is he doing that stops these companys from "Getting away with it" when assuming they're intentionally ruining franchises.

Absolutely. Nothing.

Zoltor. You are wasting your life.

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Again, you've not played it: you loot their corpses for armour, weapons and items they're carrying. As for the rest, bull. You can make your own magic items.

You've clearly not played the game and any attempt to prove otherwise is just making you look more of an idiot. Bravo.

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OMG looting corpses is the same thing as item drops, the implimentation is just slightly different.

Make your own magic items, that is pure POS. You have to go way out of your way to do such, and in a game you are expected to make almost every piece of equipment your self, there should be a real crafting system, do you want me to point out how such a crafting system should work(there are many different yet viable ways)?

Fighting enemies in oblivion is completely poinless.

To KD: I'm doing my part by not buying POS games, and warning people about how bad they are.

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

OMG looting corpses is the same thing as item drops, the implimentation is just slightly different.

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OMG really?

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

Make your own magic items, that is pure POS. You have to go way out of your way to do such, and in a game you are expected to make almost every piece of equipment your self, there should be a real crafting system, do you want me to point out how such a crafting system should work?

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You join a faction, yeah really you have to go out of your way. :roll: And who said you have to make everything you're self? If anything, you find most of it out in the wild or as quest rewards.

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Fighting enemies in oblivion is completely poinless.

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You're an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

To KD: I'm doing my part by not buying POS games, and warning people about how bad they are.

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Again, no one gives a shit what your view is on a game you've had no experience with.

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

I'm doing my part by not buying POS games, and warning people about how bad they are.

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But how do you expect to influence people if no one takes you seriously?

I think we should go through Zoltor's post history and tally up how often he has used telling someone else what they think, as a crutch to his argument.
Make a game of it. Add up each insinuation, 1 point for each, each consecutive sentence which repeats the attack in the same post compounds it by doubling.

Super Retard RPG: Legend of the Sensational Zoltor
I wonder who's got the high score? :)


No Zoltor, you're not doing your part by warning others. You're doing nothing.
You gave up credibility as a basis for your warning when you randomly spewed ignorance and hatred for others, long ago. We question your motives time and again for drawing your specific conclusions, and they always come down to your narrow minded love for niche game concepts, and intolerance for anything different that resembles or was influenced by it.

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Originally Posted by eddiespruce

Hey Zoltor, I have an idea. Rather than talk about games you dislike, why don't you talk more about games you enjoy, that way people won't argue with you so much.

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Don't listen to eddie. The boards have become so much more interesting ever since you've made your return.
I feel like busting out the Legend of Zoltor signature just to show my appreciation for all the good times you've brought me and everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

That coming from a guy who likes Oblivion, a game that's all map, with almost no content to fill it.

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Elder Scrolls games are not all map, rather they all have so much content that there's scarcely the need for a map unless it's to bypass a dozen temptations on one's way to a specific site.

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

I have played that POS, thank you very much. That game's so called content is buying pointless houses, and doing very dull quests.

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You're talking of Monopoly?

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Exploring is pointless in that game

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Only if by that you mean since it seems endless or one's guaranteed to get overequipped simply through direct story progression. There's a superabundance to explore.

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there's only a handful of dungeons

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(sigh)

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and there's next to no item based contents so you never get a payoff for exploring or killing anything that Isn't a boss.

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Just wrong. Even were 'boss' interpreted as 'objective victim' this would be wrong, but as it is one can become a Croesus sheerly through murdering random bandits and monsters.

Zoltor, all you're accomplishing is making everybody who dislikes or disagrees with you more self righteous with such demented inaccuracies. The nearest thing to sense that can be distilled from your statements is that you skimmed some complaints about Oblivion as it compares to Morrowind and have grossly magnified them without weighing that even a less expansive, shorter attention span, less loot oriented sequel to Morrowind would nonetheless be gigantic, time consuming, and lavishly treasured.
It bears repeating: Zoltor, all you're accomplishing is making everybody who dislikes or disagrees with you more self righteous with such demented inaccuracies.

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Originally Posted by Olls

I feel like busting out the Legend of Zoltor signature just to show my appreciation for all the good times you've brought me and everyone else.

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Oh God, you did as well. :D

I've been lingering on this for a while now and necromancing this thread would be the most appropriate (or healthiest) place for me to say, but as of lately I can't help but feel that the Nintendo 64 sucks.

And it really shouldn't be a matter of saying something 'sucks' because I understand that becomes ignorant in itself and immediately offensive to someone else - but having grown up and spent countless hours with the system, today I don't feel like I can identify with or more importantly enjoy playing a single moment of anything that is offered on the Nintendo 64.

Content alone, it is absolutely incredible to have gone from the monster support that was behind the Super Nintendo and then move to the Nintendo 64 where half the library that is ever seemingly worth mentioning is comprised entirely by Nintendo themselves or Rare.

That also said, I find everything Rare did on the platform completely meandering with the same formula of gameplay married with nauseating graphics. It's typical to blame the first generation of 3D graphics as primitive, but there is just something with Rare games that gives me an instant headache.

Maybe it's part of growing up but the aesthetic or theme of most Nintendo 64 games appear overly childish. The titles are so deliberately kid-orientated that the games themselves have not aged with the player. Maybe that doesn't bother others as much, but I feel that I need to be twelve-years old again to enjoy most the library. That was a safe move for the time when the N64 was relevant and to be exposed to a new generation of young-ins, but the long-term effect places it as condition critical for me.

A lot of this is just me venting because I've come to a very difficult crossroads with the Nintendo 64 where I can't find too much redeeming about it and am finding more reasons to get rid of it than keep it.

Perhaps I'll sit on it, it bothers me to own something I don't use or relish when there might be others who would appreciate the console more than I happen to now.

Man, it's tough considering to sell childhood belongings...

I don't like it much. Never have. For me it's aged terribly.
And if it wasn't for my Hori Mini Pad I wouldn't touch it at all. That at least makes it somewhat enjoyable in short bursts.

Putting on my collectors hat though and things change considerably. It's odd that for this particular system I get more enjoyment out of games and systems starring at me from off the shelf rather than the actual gameplay. :lol:

It's not a favorite system of mine, and like I said a couple years ago, it tends to give me motion sickness (= headache, nausea, feverish feeling) more than any other console I've played.

But Gauntlet Legends, Pilotwings 64, and a few other games have offered me a good time.

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Originally Posted by Thierry Henry

Putting on my collectors hat though and things change considerably. It's odd that for this particular system I get more enjoyment out of games and systems starring at me from off the shelf rather than the actual gameplay. :lol:

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Haha, thanks for that tid-bit; I had been considering myself just throwing what I have on the shelf and putting a smile on about it but there is something so overwhelming about me contemplating playing Goldeneye or Mario Kart 64 again that I begin to physically cringe.

I only have Goldeneye, Mario Kart 64, Kirby 64, Super Smash 64 and Super Mario 64 tucked away and it's Super Mario 64 that's keeping me from kicking it all out the door. There are a lot of memories there that I'm afraid to regret giving away ten years from now.

To the other extreme, I paid someone a dollar to take WWF Warzone 64 from me. Just knowing that I no long owned the game or had it in my home that I became overcome by a huge refreshing wave of relief.

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Originally Posted by goldenband

But Gauntlet Legends, Pilotwings 64, and a few other games have offered me a good time.

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That's a tough one for me right there brother - every SNES title that was ever reiterated on the N64 was never up to scratch compared to the original and Pilotwings was a prime example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc4IyxvJTKs

^SNES Pilotwings just had so much charm! But I really tend to think it was 2D gaming nearly at it's prime versus a very preliminary 3D world.

There are a handful of games which make the N64 indispensable.
The three Treasure games obviously.
But then I even get perverse fun out of stuff like Wild Choppers, Asteroids Hyper 64...
There's fun to be had on "The Fun Machine"

I owned one briefly in the early 2000s with Blast Corps and KI Gold.

Never got one on release despite owning Saturn and PS, the game library just wasn't there for me since I don't care for Rare and Nintendo IPs. And no 2D? It doesn't even have Street Fighter for crying out loud. No SNK, no shooters, nothing. Some of the driving games look OK though.

Not a fan. The Gamecube was better, although I wasn't in love with that either.

I only have Lylat Wars, so can't really comment too much on the console. LW was good fun, however.

Yep, the Nintendo 64 sucks for the most part. Not too long after launch, I bought one. Personally owned maybe around 10 games for it and rented everything else. I had some good memories with the 64 when friends would come over for multiplayer and the occasional decent 1 player game, but otherwise it gathered dust. I sold it for chump change to put towards PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games. The only reason I would own a 64 today is merely for memories and nostalgia. I regret buying the Nintendo 64 when my money would've been better spent on SEGA consoles.

Nowadays, I've been piecing together as many SEGA and Sony video games as possible to make up for all of the BRILLIANT stuff I missed out on during that era. Meanwhile, my Nintendo Wii, one of the only Nintendo systems I've ever liked, is gathering almost as much dust as the old 64 did. C'est la vie.

^ Dust down your Wii and mod it - it's got tons of emulators and homebrew.

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

^ Dust down your Wii and mod it - it's got tons of emulators and homebrew.

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I do keep all of my stuff properly dusted, but that's just my way of saying that it sits there doing nothing most of the time. Modding it sounds like a good idea, but I don't really know where to start with that. Is the Wii simple to mod? Sorry to stray off topic, but maybe the handful of N64 games I cared about can get knocked out by a modded Wii.

An SD card is all you need, really. Just Google "Wii softmod" and should have no probs finding a tutorial. Not sure if the N64 emu is good tbh (not tried it), but if you want anything pre-PSX, you're golden.

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Originally Posted by FuturePrimitive

Yep, the Nintendo 64 sucks for the most part.

Nowadays, I've been piecing together as many SEGA and Sony video games as possible to make up for all of the BRILLIANT stuff I missed out on during that era.

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It is surprising to me how many games though I find worth owning on the Saturn and PS1 compared to the N64 - it's partly the reason for me to sell so I can put my efforts towards these former two consoles.

As much as I never thought I'd own either, the Saturn is really this overlooked and last frontier of 2D-excellence that I cherish but even games like Virtua Fighter 2, Nights or the Panzer Dragoon series really demonstrate a strong and still worthwhile 3D gaming experience for me. With the exception of some price tags, I truly enjoy the Saturn.

PS1, boy I'm having fun with this - honestly, I was a bit hesitant at first but most the games are so darn affordable and I have no problem admitting I look at these later 90's Square and Capcom games with rose-tinted glasses. I get giddy knowing I have Final Fantasy VIII, been wanting to play it since I was a kid; and I have no problem admitting that I need someone to sit with me when I play a Resident Evil game, a lot of fun but holy crap do I get spooked.

Maybe it's because I am now finally diving into the Saturn and PS1, but I don't feel as much of an intended age of play for these games as I get with the N64 - or maybe it's because they're not all 3D platformers? :p

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Originally Posted by Lync

That's a tough one for me right there brother - every SNES title that was ever reiterated on the N64 was never up to scratch compared to the original and Pilotwings was a prime example.

^SNES Pilotwings just had so much charm! But I really tend to think it was 2D gaming nearly at it's prime versus a very preliminary 3D world.

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I wasn't expecting to like Pilotwings 64...but then again I wasn't expecting to like Pilotwings either! Either way both games completely hooked me, and I found their gameplay totally and unexpectedly addictive.

Admittedly Pilotwings 64 doesn't quite have the goofy "bwah-bwah-bwah" optimistic charm of the original, but it had enough weird moments (e.g. the cannon shoot) to make it seem like a real successor to me.

I also liked Tigger's Honey Hunt on the N64. Not a masterpiece, but a sweet-natured 2.5D game that felt nice to play, looked and sounded quite good, and offered a mild challenge.

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Originally Posted by Lync

It is surprising to me how many games though I find worth owning on the Saturn and PS1 compared to the N64 - it's partly the reason for me to sell so I can put my efforts towards these former two consoles.

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The N64 library has some off-putting issues IMO:
- Almost no 2D games.
- Music is poor/mediocre in most of games.
- Several of its "best games" are childish IMO.
- Lacks "experimentation": most of the small 3rd party developers couldn't afford the N64 publishing fees.
- It has only three really strong genres: Racing, 3D platformer and FPS.
- Iffy frame rate in many games. I usually don't have motion sickness problems but I feel like it hurts my experience in many cases because I can't just relax and play the damn game, I have to worry about adjusting my reactions to the varying frame rate all the time.
- Due to the use of cartridges, most of the games' intros and cutscenes use in-game graphics. And I truly hate that because it makes them feel cheaper/more generic IMO.


Saturn will give you the following advantages when compared to the N64:
- An awesome 2D library.
- Several AAA arcade ports.
- Far superior 3D Fighting games.
- Good games in genres where the N64 has nothing or almost nothing to offer; like light gun, point-and-click/interactive adventures and puzzle games.
- Far better music.


PS1 will give you the following advantages when compared to the N64:
- A very good 2D library.
- Far more experimentation.
- Almost all genres are really strongly covered.
- Good games in genres where the N64 has nothing or almost nothing to offer; like light gun, point-and-click/interactive adventures and puzzle games.
- Far better music.


The really strong point of the N64 is the local multiplayer IMO. But, then again, the best games for that will be the likes of Mario Tennis, Mario Kart 64, etc.
If you own both the Saturn and the PS1 - and the Nintendo characters don't appeal to you in a strong way - you don't have the need to own a N64. There are good games to play on the N64 but very very few of them I'd consider "must have" titles.

i don't think it sucks, but its overall library can't hang with the saturn, and isn't even in the same stratosphere as the PSX, ABF be damned

also even RGB modding & either proper scaling or SD still doesn't make most games look great

I agree, N64 has very weak library in my opinion. It doesn't even feel like a SNES successor (PS1 does, with controller that is basically an evolution of SNES controller and strong third-party support). N64 always felt like another Jaguar or 3DO to me, only with Mario and Zelda this time.

The N64 has many things to me that didn't stand the test of time. First and foremost the controller and its analog stick feel really awkward to me now, 2nd I can't stand the fog effect that seems to plague every game on it as well as alot of slowdown and lastly yeah the library isn't too great. Almost all of the games that I really cared for on the N64 I can get on the Wii's virtual console, and it looks much better and clearer on the Wii. The GameCube controller and Classic Controller Pro are better than the N64 controller IMO too. Any other N64 game I can't get on the Wii I just go with N64 emulators for the PC because they tend to make the games run faster and look much clearer (no fog effect) than the real hardware ever could. Sucks that emulation hasn't made every game fully playable without glitches yet, otherwise it would make N64 hardware completely obsolete.

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Originally Posted by roadkill

Sucks that emulation hasn't made every game fully playable without glitches yet, otherwise it would make N64 hardware completely obsolete.

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I agree on your opinion about the N64 library but I can't agree on the emulation. We can emulate Genesis almost perfectly with HD filters and what not but it will never ever replace the joy of playing on the actual hardware.

Played n64 (real hardware of course :P) this weekend with some friends, goldeneye and mario kart :)

Still so much fun waiting till near finish line to send a red shell and take away your rival´s win or putting those proximity mines on respawn locations :D

No way n64 sucks, not my favourite system but so much fun I had at "its time", mario 64 and goldenye and mario kart64 alone (and 4 controllers) for me were enough reason to own the system, I did own other games but sold them, I shouln´t have sold perfect dark but whatever...wave race was awesome, my brother also did make good use of both zeldas ;)

Actually, thinking about it all "big 3" meaning saturn, n64 and playstation have some of my favourite games ever :cool: