Who needs the strongest E3 showing?

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Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard

Developers are already compromising their games because of 7 year old standards. I can cite numerous games which, due to the Xbox 360 and PS3, have had to change for various technological reasons.



Nintendo has come to a complete standstill at the moment. They're losing money right now. Their service on the Wii is a joke, and people won't develop for it anymore. People aren't buying them, either. They absolutely need to keep competitive. You're a moron if you think Nintendo is completely divorced from the graphics arms race.

And Sony's gaming division is actually one of the only divisions which has kept Sony alive. Sony makes more than games, and the reason the company is failing is because their TV line has completely failed. Sony's gaming division is actually healthy.

Just shut up. You really don't know anything about video games, man.

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Lol when you announce you're coming out with a new system, news flash, people start dropping support for the current system, and start planning for the new system.

Nintendo themselfves has also dropped support for the wii, no woubt they are working on their new console around the corner, while trying to make the graphic centric 3DS somehow stay alive.

No they don't, they need to release the new console, and by all means release actual "original" quality games for the 3DS.

Sony has a real issue with separating their divisions, and the odds are high, when their gaming division goes belly up, it will cripple the entire Sony company, not even just the gaming division.

To Eclectic: Notice with both those systems, just like the 3DS, and virtual Boy, their design focus was graphics lol.

Don't worry your HD whore buts off(HD is so damn pointless), because Nintendo already announced last year, the Wii U would be a HD console, and hopefully that will make you graphic whores happy enough(It's hard to believe this is a retro gaming forum, literally every thread about consoles turns into a HD debate/complaint thread).

Can people talk about systems without pining over HD

Yes and they are improving, there's more to a systems then graphic power, which Nintendo showed off pretty well last year(although they should've put together a little bit more complex concept demos, then what they had, but they got the point across anyway).

Why would you not talk about HD when talking about current or next gen consoles? It's only a useless conversation when talking about older systems.

And if Nintendo made the SuperNES only display black and white, would you have defended it saying color isn't really needed to enjoy the games? No, probably not. They don't need to support the newest bells and whistles and pack in a thousand extra non gaming features, but they should at least support the basics well enough.

As far as HD not mattering, of course it won't matter to anything not made for HD, or only "made" for HD in the most basic sense of the word. It doesn't mean a better game, but it certainly means a better looking game if used right. And so long as the game is done well, there's no reason it can't also look nice.

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Originally Posted by EclecticGroove

Why would you not talk about HD when talking about current or next gen consoles? It's only a useless conversation when talking about older systems.

And if Nintendo made the SuperNES only display black and white, would you have defended it saying color isn't really needed to enjoy the games? No, probably not. They don't need to support the newest bells and whistles and pack in a thousand extra non gaming features, but they should at least support the basics well enough.

As far as HD not mattering, of course it won't matter to anything not made for HD, or only "made" for HD in the most basic sense of the word. It doesn't mean a better game, but it certainly means a better looking game if used right. And so long as the game is done well, there's no reason it can't also look nice.

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When people are talking about older system, It's basically the same BS, cables this, cables that, oh and god forbid if a model doesn't have support for cables.

The games look very good as is without all this superficial HD nonsense. With that said however there is a real problem with games being HD only(atleast the modern take on the HD concept), god forbid you either have a non HD TV or don't have the HD setting on your TV switched on, all the text in the games are microscopic.

Is it too unreasonamable to expect there to be a HD/non HD settings in games( TVs have it, and PCs have all different kinds of settings. Talk about lazy developers)? This HD only nonsense needs to stop, since non HD wont effect gameplay, but a HD only game effects gameplay in a bad way, whenever text is in the game.

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

Is it too unreasonamable to expect there to be a HD/non HD settings in games

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Yes, it's 2012.

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Originally Posted by Gogogadget

Yes, it's 2012.

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Seeing how HD is overhyped nonense, they should have a non HD setting.

HD isn't overhyped nonsense, it's the new standard, go to any department store, pretty much every TV will feature HD, if not Full HD. It's far superior quality wise to standard defenition and expecting them to comporise by supporting 'non-HD' is like asking for 4:3 support.

Seriously, if you want to play modern games at all why not just buy a HDTV? They aren't even expensive.

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Originally Posted by Gogogadget

HD isn't overhyped nonsense, it's the new standard, go to any department store, pretty much every TV will feature HD, if not Full HD. It's far superior quality wise to standard defenition and expecting them to comporise by supporting 'non-HD' is like asking for 4:3 support.

Seriously, if you want to play modern games at all why not just buy a HDTV? They aren't even expensive.

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Bcuase most new types of TVs suck to no end, the only exception is Plasma, and even then you need to go with Samsung to be on the safe side. Then besides all the technical drawbacks of the newer TVs, you have this widescreen only BS. Why is this a problem you ask, because for a gamer, they need a place for their systems, which widescreen TVs makes it a pain to find a place for such, since you can't use a wall unit.

err... what? "looks at my wall unit with a widescreen tv on it"

I really think you need to look at the things you say and like... google them at least.

There are issues with ALL TV types. CRT, Plasma, DLP, RP, LCD, and anything else I missed.

There is no such thing as a perfect display, and even the newest of them are getting better every year.

HD? Pfft. Everybody knows that HD Television is last year's technology. I mean cripes people, Sony's been pushing 3D TVs for years and they're always right.

Nintendo and Sony need a good E3.

Microsoft will not have to prove anything, nor believe they will. However they'll probably succumb to 3rd Generation product rot that all companys, Sega, Sony, Nintendo have all succumbed to at one point next gen. (Saturn/N64/PS3).

Nintendo for providing absoloutely no assurance or concrete information regarding the Wii U, despite demoeing the controller its all a lot of hot air at the minute until stuff is shown running on it. It will also get certain members of the community of Nintendo's back once the tech specs are solidified. Are we going Wii 1.5, with ageing tech a generation behind the next rounds competition, or something that will really push the boat out?

Sony to put some more confidence back into Vista, which is flagging a little, but I don't honestly think is doing as bad as some has suggested. I do however imagine it will be shareholders, investors and consumer commentators who will have most of there eyes on Sony at E3, since the Playstation brand seems to be the only segement in the whole company that has'nt been labelled as 'beleaguered' or 'out of touch'.

I think this E3 will preclude a sea-Change in the coming next gen, not just the general shake up of the status quo that always happens with new hardware but perhaps some massive changes in content delivery and protection.

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

Seeing how HD is overhyped nonense, they should have a non HD setting.

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Your posts are full of over-hyped nonsense.

Sony. The company isn't in great shape going forward, and the Vita's sales figures are wretched at the moment (what with it being outsold by the PSP in Europe and Japan). They need to get some momentum going with the Vita before developers start to get nervous.

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Originally Posted by TVC 15

Sony to put some more confidence back into Vista, which is flagging a little, but I don't honestly think is doing as bad as some has suggested. I do however imagine it will be shareholders, investors and consumer commentators who will have most of there eyes on Sony at E3, since the Playstation brand seems to be the only segement in the whole company that has'nt been labelled as 'beleaguered' or 'out of touch'.

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A little? The system has become a shelf warmer while the games warm the pegs. Some stores seem to be doing everything possible (short of a price drop) to push this hand held by offering a free memory card, discounting relatively new games or even now, giving away Unit 13 with purchase. Resistance is due out in a few weeks and unless something changes between now and then, it leaves a lot to be desired. What else can push this system?

The PSP, even when selling well in hardware, always lagged in software sales. Sony's loyal userbase doesn't seem interested enough in buying new games to float their platforms anymore.

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Originally Posted by Zoltor

The games look very good as is without all this superficial HD nonsense. With that said however there is a real problem with games being HD only(atleast the modern take on the HD concept), god forbid you either have a non HD TV or don't have the HD setting on your TV switched on, all the text in the games are microscopic.

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1) I haven't seen ANY HDTV with an "HD On/Off switch". Enlighten me.

2) If you power on your console that's connected to an HDTV and the text is "microscopic" it's because you have the console set at a low resolution. If you can't figure out how to change resolutions on modern game consoles then that's your own incompetence.

That's my two cents. Take it as you will.