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one of the best games on the genesis, and the sonic that started it all... in your opinion the game stood the test of time? I think that even today the game looks great sure the game play is "simple" (no spin dash, and those cool power ups like sonic 3) but the music is awesome and the graphics too!
I think all the classic 2D Sonic games stand up pretty well. Sonic 1, 2, 3, s&k, and Sonic CD all look and sound pretty good given the technology of the day, and are certainly not offensive to see or hear.
The opinions on game play specifics in any of the games may vary of course, but I think they are all reasonably fun and competent platformers at a minimum.
Absolutely it stood the test of time. They keep trying to recreate that Sonic feeling and no one ever captures it.
I agree dude.. butI made the thread thinkin in games like altered beast, that game shows his age if you ask me...Quote:
Originally Posted by EclecticGroove
bingo!Quote:
Originally Posted by djshok
Yes, it has. :nod:
I think most Sonic games look prettier than a lot of games of their time (even if a lot of them aren't actually much fun to play :P)Quote:
Originally Posted by EclecticGroove
When I think about playing Sonic I tend to think more fondly of Sonic 1 than the other games. I like the level designs and music the best in Sonic 1, there's something tranquil about it that Sonic 2 replaced with frenetic speed. I really like Sonic 2 also, but Sonic 1 is a game that holds up very well on its own.
I think that is due to design choices made. They knew the limitations of the system and made games that played to the strengths and hid the weaknesses. Games like the previously mentioned Altered Beast were not bad for the day, but were arcade converts, not made directly for the Genesis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smii
A well designed game can look great years or decades later on its own, and that will always hold true so long as there are ways to keep playing them.
The more time passes, the less I enjoy traditional 2D Sonic games. But the original hasn't aged at all for me.
Words cannot describe the feeling I get when I go back to play the original Sonic. A part of my knows its the mixed emotions nostalgia brings, it was the first game I ever played.
But I don't think it would have had such an incredible impact on where it not for the amazing art direction and 'that' soundtrack. Forgive me for my pretensions but the original Sonic the Hedgehog is true pop art, more so than any game of that era. Thats why when I see the horrible convoluted mess that the franchise is now, I look back at the original and don't understand how Sonic lost its complete and unique singular style. Sonic for me has never been horrible turgid American Rawk music, or self-consciously urban 'cool' posturing dictated by focus grouping video games.
The original was brazenly Japanese, and it fits in with a certain time period when Japan was at the top of its game in Pop culture, where Japan now seems to be floundering and directionless.
I sometimes wish Sega wouldn't pander to the lowest common denominator these days in many of its titles art direction and style. Sonic now stands as a testament for how to completly lose the 'feel' of a franchise, gameplay notwithstanding (recent Sonic titles have been a lot more playable and polished), Sonic does little for me aesthetically now.
The minute Sonic 2 came out, gameplay wise, Sonic 1 became completely inconsequential. By the time Sonic & Knuckles came out, without the ability to return to the first game, Sonic 1 became 100% obsolete.
It's still a great and beautiful platformer on its own. But that's it. I don't care about the other power-ups, but without the spindash, Sonic just feels handicapped.
I kinda feel this way since I actually played Sonic 2 before Sonic 1. Sonic 2 was my pack-in game. Back in the day when I first played Sonic 1, I was like "where's the spin dash?" I got over it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
I replayed Sonic 1 again a couple months ago and was still looking for the spin dash attack for the first minute. Spin Dash aside, it's still a great game today and I enjoyed playing it after all these years.
Sonic 2 was way better, Sonic 1 does not stand the test of time at all. If you want to talk platformers that stood the test of time, talk Rayman on any console. Sonic 1 one was never that amazing, and this is coming from someone who has no nostalgia for any Sonic Genesis games so I have a more fair judge of which is better.
I still think Sonic 1 is better then Sonic 2 and by far better then Sonic CD. They are all great games that have easily stood the test of time. Sonic 3 and Knuckles has become my 2nd favorite Genesis game ever after Streets of Rage 2.
- Labyrinth Zone is sweet... Marble Zone is sweet (not everything needs to be hold right ftw)
In my Sonic 1 vs Sonic 2 comparison
Green Hill vs. Emerald Hill (Green Hill wins)
Spring Yard vs. Casino Night (Spring Yard wins) - My favorite zone is Sonic 1 but they are all sweet
Scrap Brain vs. Metropolis (Scrap Brain wins)
Sonic 2 favorite zones Chemical Plant Zone (music and speed), Aquatic Ruins (to short for a 2 act zone though, my favorite looking zone), Mystic Cave zone (could be a tad bit longer, not pathetically short like Aquatic Ruin. Very unique and good music), Oil Ocean (Pretty much the ideal length for 2 act zones)
Absolutely. Wonderful game. Labyrinth Zone is still a bit dull too so nothing's changed at all. The best parts are Green Hill, Starlight, and Tails's absence.
By the way one must be abysmal at this game to miss the spin dash.
So then, if you are "more fair" judge, what are your reasons for saying that Sonic 1 does not stand the test of time. I know plenty of younger people who did not play it when it was new and love the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by GameMaster600
-It still looks good.
-The control is spot on.
-The stages are varied and interesting (although one could argue that 3 Acts per zone is stretching it).
-The boss battles are interesting.
-The music is very catchy and professionally done.
-Many people think it is fun.
-It is not complicated to play.
Are these things somehow not true in your eyes?
The stages are varied and interesting (although one could argue that 3 Acts per zone is stretching it).
I disagree I think a few of Sonic 2's zones should of kept 3 acts or have been extended. Then they wouldn't have felt the need to artificially prolong the end of the games with b.s.
Did I ever say it was bad? It's a great game, but test of time means as fun as is now then it was back then. You say you know younger people who like it but you did not say what they thought of the other sonic games. When sonic 1 is compared to 2, it does not stand the test of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breetai
The Labyrinth Zone boss is annoying, and the game makes no attempt to note that there are multiple ways of defeating him.
I'm probably alone in this opinion, but I don't think Sonic 1 has stood the test of time at all. It's immediate sequels are all much better.
Yep, I knew I wasn't the only one on the forum who though the same. (see my post on page 1)Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
What does "the test of time" even mean? Does it mean it's better than the sequels? Of course not! Why would it? It means that it is still a good game now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GameMaster600
If fact, you said it is a "great" game now. In what world does that not mean "stood the test of time." Furthermore, you said yourself that you have no nostalgia for it. That would imply that you didn't really spend much time with it back when it was new. If that is the case, how can you make the claim that it is not as fun now as it was back then? You have no basis for that claim, if I read into what you said correctly.
It was fun, looked good and played well when it was new, and that is still the case today. Someone might not think much of the game, but it still holds up as being "good/great" today.
I even looked up a quick definition of "stood the test of time":
I'd say Sonic 1 has better than most other games. This is not a comparison to Sonic 2, 3 or S&K, so I don't understand why you are comparing them.Quote:
To remain useful or valued over a long period of time; to last a long time.
*silly rant post over*
What does "the test of time" even mean? Does it mean it's better than the sequels? Of course not! Why would it? It means that it is still a good game now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GameMaster600
If fact, you said it is a "great" game now. In what world does that not mean "stood the test of time." Furthermore, you said yourself that you have no nostalgia for it. That would imply that you didn't really spend much time with it back when it was new. If that is the case, how can you make the claim that it is not as fun now as it was back then? You have no basis for that claim, if I read into what you said correctly.
It was fun, looked good and played well when it was new, and that is still the case today. Someone might not think much of the game, but it still holds up as being "good/great" today.
I even looked up a quick definition of "stood the test of time":
I'd say Sonic 1 has better than most other games. This is not a comparison to Sonic 2, 3 or S&K, so I don't understand why you are comparing them.Quote:
To remain useful or valued over a long period of time; to last a long time.
*silly rant post over*
*or not*
But Guntz, this isn't a comparison. If the sequels did not exist, would not Sonic 1 still be looked back on as being a game that still looks good as is very playable today (still useful or valued)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
The test of time is whether or not a game is still fun to play today (or is still pleasant to look at), not how it compares to it's sequels.
Sonic 1 is still extremely fun, so it passes.
Close this thread.
I can pop this game in at any time and have as much fun with it as I had 20 years ago.
Stood the test of time? It fucking killed it.
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Olls again."Quote:
Originally Posted by Olls
Only Sonic CD is better. Sonic 1 is the best Sonic game on the plain-jane sega genesis.
S3&K is still the best for me. Don't really care for the whole time travel mechanic in Sonic CD (or the abysmally broken spindash).Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard
Sonic CD looks the best though, the art direction is amazing and the colors just perfect. S3&K has some horrible colors at times.
And the music in Sonic CD (particularly the JP soundtrack) just kills everything.
Sonic 1 is better than most other games, Sonic 1 is better than most other games, SONIC 1 IS BETTER THAN MOST OTHER GAMES. Considering how many bad games there are in the world, that means nothing in the slightest. Games that are OK or worse I could say are better than most other games. BUBSY is better than most other games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breetai
It's been OBVIOUS that I've been comparing Sonic 1 & 2 to each other so why get so mad if I'm looking at it from that perspective? I mean, Kirby's Dreamland 2 does not stand the test of time when compared to Super Star, Dreamland 3, and 64 The Crystal Shards, and that was a great game! Splatterhouse does not stand the test of time when compared to Splatterhouse 2 and 3, and that was also a great game! Bonk's Adventure does not stand the test of time when compared to Bonk's Revenge and that was another great game!
I never said it didn't stand the test of time when it wasn't being compared to the sequels, and that's where your argument fails. I said "Sonic 2 was way better, Sonic 1 does not stand the test of time at all." not "Sonic 1 doesn't stand the test of time at all."
EDIT: Why does a thread about Sonic 1 being a timeless game exist anyway? We all already knew that!
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...ll-of-fuck.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by GameMaster600
The comma, THE COMMA!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Why must every thread end up with:
a)pointless arguments about semantics
b)pointless and confusing techie discussion
c)pointless comparisons of irrelevant things
...or a combination? :P
This thread has ridiculous amounts of a) (e.g. what exactly is THE singular definition of "test of time"? :roll:) and c) ("let's compare the 16 bit Sonics, again, as if it's relevant somehow"). b) has not quite made it here yet, I think perhaps the thread should be closed before it does.
It still makes more sense than the part where he said "Bubsy is better than most other games".Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
THERE ARE SO MANY WORSE GAMES IN THE WORLD!Quote:
Originally Posted by Smii
Haha wow, this made no sense at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by GameMaster600
I SAID THE COMMA! HOW CAN NONE OF YOU UNDERSTAND!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olls
I figured it out!
does not -> doesn't
[s no] -> [sn']
You can all thank me with rep now.
[You Must Spread Rep Around Before Giving It To Kamahl Again]
Gohl Darnit, and I still don't understand what went wrong in here.
*Facepalm*Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
By the way Sheath, when someone asks for Rep, don't try to give them Rep, it's like giving a youtube commenter a thumbs up for saying "Derpaderp THUMBS UP ME!" Rep only belongs to those who say something great THAT DOES NOT HAVE BEGGING FOR REP IN IT.
ReppeD!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GameMaster600
Yeah I often have trouble appreciating the colors of S3&K (mostly the Sonic 3 part, especially Launch Base, & probably Carnival Night).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
What went wrong with the colors of parts of S3&K? Is it just poor / questionable art direction?
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olls
I also always thought Sonic 1 had the best aesthetics, the best art direction & music, while Sonic 2 is almost as good aesthetically, but with improved gameplay. Sonic 1's art, colors, & music are unique & polished, with great gameplay, so it's a classic that holds up forever.
Green Hill Zone is probably the best-looking zone of all the 16-bit Sonic games, and has a dream-like feel to it. Dancing flowers, the sounds of waterfalls, and the psychedelic colors of a dark blue / purple sky, and glowing blue water. GHZ is amazing.