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360=199.99 2005 7 years
PS3=249.99 2006 6 years
It's amazing that these systems have been out this fuckin long and neither one isn't close to 99.99 yet. They have to be selling these systems at a profit now. And these 59.99 dollar games. You mean to tell me these companies are still paying for these "new" computers they bought back in 2005?
/endrant
Neither one of these units debuted at a sub 300 price tag, either (well, not the versions that were fully featured, anyway). The Wii is still going strong at 149.99, and that's with the Wii U on the horizon. Both Sony and Msft have made it clear that new systems won't be out until at least 2013 (unless they're waiting until E3 to make an announcement that the release dates are moved to November or so, but that seems highly unlikely), so I wouldn't count on a price drop any time soon. If they're selling at this price point, why bother cutting it?
You used to be able to buy an Xbox 360 Arcade for $99, but they phased that SKU out. You can currently buy an Xbox 360 + Kinect for $99 with a 2 year subscription plan to XBL.
There is a lot of speculation that Sony will drop the PS3's price following E3.
And games being priced the way they are have nothing to do with the computers they use. You have to purchase a license to develop using the SDK for every single project. And games are still cheaper than they were in the mid 90's.
At launch, the $299 core was as fully featured as the Pro SKU. There was no Xbox emulation at the time, XBLA games were limited to file sizes which could fit on the included 4 mb memory card, you were able to save out of the box. The only difference was you didn't have as much space. I got a core at launch for this very reason - you could go out and buy a HDD later for $79 and wind up with the full Pro SKU for $20 cheaper, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastcallhall
A missing HDD from configuration, no matter the savings if you added it post purchase, is still not fully featured to me, but we're splitting hairs at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard
You're right about the game prices, too. We're talking 59.99 2005-2012 dollars vs 59.99 1992-1996 prices, and that doesn't even take into account one offs like Phantasy Star IV. Talk about expensive.
There was no difference between an HDD and a memory card at that point. No games at launch installed themselves to the HDD, xbox emulation hadn't launched, and the XBLA file size limit was centered around memory cards. You got a 64mb memory card with the core, which let you do everything a HDD could, just with less space.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastcallhall
Later, when Xbox emulation launched, the differences between a memory card and a HDD became clearer - you needed one to install the XBox emulation files, XBLA filesizes increased to well beyond the 64mb limit, and games started caching files on the HDD (like they did on the original xbox). But at launch, a 64 mb memory card was just as useful as a full HDD.
Not including a HD in the 360 was dumb as hell. And I remember somebody interviewing someone from MS asking why they didn't include the HD in every system and the guy was like we wanted customers to have choices. I mean WTF!?
Patience is your friend. Unless you need to play a new release as soon as it hits the shelves prices will decrease quickly. Come to think of it, game prices haven't increased much over the years. More often then not you get a great deal for your money.
You mean to tell me when you get the Xbox 360 + Kinect for $99 with a 2 year subscription plan to XBL..Do you have too get XBL?? Can you sell the plan if you have XBL already
I'm still waiting for the 10 year mark on both systems.
No, it works like a cell phone plan. You sign up for a two year XBLA contract, which subsidizes the discounted price of the 360 bundle. Signing up is part of the deal, if you terminate early you have to pay, just like on a cell phone contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightWarrior
That's stupid..
Just recently I started looking at DSiXL systems again, expecting them to be heavily reduced.. Fat chance.
Considering inflation, it is doubtful we will ever see $99 consoles while they are still "current"
Whaaah, why can't I buy chicken for $1.99/lb any more?
how is 250$ much for a system like ps3? I bought it for 600 at launch and bought one again cuz mine broke last winter. worth every penny
As long as people keep buying these consoles, there is no incentive for them to lower the price.
With the build quality of this garbage, I can imagine why. They just don't make them like they used to...
I expect Sony to drop the price to 199 in a few weeks. I think it should have been at that price for the past year, and 179 would make me feel better about buying one.
4gb 360 will probably drop to 149 or something. Microsoft knows how to compete.
The PS3 - the fat, BC one at least - is a very quality build. I've been through 5 Xbox 360s - 4 of them were the normal models and all RRoD, while the 5th, my current Xbox, is a slim which hasn't given me trouble. My launch PS3 is still going strong. The PS3 might just be in my top 5 favorite consoles of all time. Regardless of what you think of the library, the build quality of the machine, especially a fully BC one, is excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olls
I agree with it being pretty sturdy at least compared to the 360 but gotdamn does that thing blow out a lot of hot air. Which is great during the winter time but awful for the summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard
the old ps3's have big overheating issues. almost all I known have broken in the past 1 or 2 years. the newer ones don't seme to have these issues. 360 is a mess
I have to disagree on this one. The original PS2 compatible PS3 is a POS! It only uses one lens system unlike the newer ones with separate red/blue lenses. I bought my PS3 fat used and it had just few months prior been fitted with a new laser and already it was starting to fail. I bought a new laser and fixed it myself and after 10 hours that god damn thing was failing to read BD discs! Luckily it still somewhat worked when positioned upside down so I quickly sold it and never looked back. Probably the worst console or system I ever had the misfortune of owning! And don't get me started on the HW restrictions! I mean 256 Mb of RAM! Really?! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard
I agree with you there. I have a 360 and Wii and they're both busted...the Wii won't turn on and the 360, which I JUST got last Christmas refurbished from Gamestop, the disc drive won't read discs now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olls
At the price they sell this shit at, I'm done with current-gen stuff. Not enough good games on these fucking systems to make the price worth my while.
That sucks, man. With the 360 you could at least use it for online and downloads. Get the Bionic Commando Rearmed games, Limbo, some shmups.
Too bad about the Wii but when the WiiU comes out they should drop and there are definitely worthwhile games, plus those not by Nintendo are cheap, eg S&P Star Successor sells online brand new for $10. (I know you don't use Ebay but you give somebody who does the cash).
And if you do get either running consider buying a fan, just a regular general purpose kitchen fan or whatever, to run exhaust on all your machines. If you only use the Xbox just get a USB fan (if it has those, the PS3 does--I haven't seen one for the Wii).
get a ps3. it's exclusives are awesomeQuote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
The old 360s, sure. But not the new Slimline model.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
Noting ever beats a 3DO.
The prices of consoles today are actually quite reasonable.
I bought my Sega Genesis in 1989 for $289 and my Turbo Express in 1990 for $388.
Factor in inflation and you would think game systems today would be more than they are.
I forget what the average wage was in 1989, but you could buy a nice house in my neighborhood for around $100,000, now a tear down sells for around 1 million.
exactly that. videogaming has only gotten cheaper with the years. remember old cartridges that cost 70$ back in early 90s? now games costs like 50-60$ and with inflation that means nearly half the price of what games used to be. everything gets more expensive except gaming
I've never had any problems with my 60gig PS3 either. I like fact that it had the option to upgrade my HDD with whatever laptop drive I wanted to use. It was much cheaper than ungrading the HDD of the 360. The PS3 also runs Netflix better than my 360, or the Blu-Ray player we have in the bedroom and having one of the best Blu-Ray players on the market doesn't hurt either.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard
Yeah, I pretty much have the entire Playstation library available on one console. I'd say that puts the 60gig in my top 3 consoles of all-time list.
The 256 MB of RAM in the PS3 is twice as fast as that of the 360. It was designed around the idea of streaming data directly from the Blu-Ray drive. That's why games like Uncharted look so great, because they were designed to take advantage of the PS3.Quote:
Originally Posted by SF78
And I bet they still work. Let's see about PS3 and 360 in 20 years and then talk about value for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
Granted, PS3 has those certain games that appear good, but there are many cross-platformers that struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I bought a 360 Elite back in 2008 and treated it great, plenty of space around it to breath and dusted frequently to keep the vents clean. What I got for my wonderful treatment of the console was that it died on me 2 months after the "extended" 3 year warranty and and had to buy a new console. The new 360 slim works great, but we'll see for how long.
I have the MGS bundle PS3 with backwards compatibility and just like the 360 it's been well cared for. It's been pretty solid the entire time, but the fans on it are getting really loud and I have a feeling it's going die any day soon(my friend has the same bundle and his died a couple months ago). I'm looking forward to a price drop so I can pick up a slim and not worry about the thermal paste on this continuing to dry out and overheat, sub $200 and I'll probably bite.
I bought a PS2 near launch and it's lasted a long time, but I've also had to do disc read error fixes on it at least 3 times over the last 10+ years. My original PS1 had to be placed sideways to work near the end of it's life, I bought a PSOne (redesign) and it's been doing an admiral job when I use it.
Now, for my SNES and Genesis systems, the biggest problem I've ever had with them is a bad power plug, or possibly the cracked solder joint for the connector on the board.
You tell me which of these listed I'll still be able to play games for on the original hardware in 30 years, I'm pretty sure I know which ones they'll be.
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5...antasystar.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
It certainly won't be the SNES or Genesis unless you consider replacing every cap on the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by xelement5x
My original copy of Flashback cost $69.99 when I bought it, still have the receipt for it...
A 16OZ Coke cost .75 cents...they're a $1.49 now...people also make a lot more money a year so gaming has gotten very cheap.
What makes gaming really EXPENSIVE though is the cost of depreciation on everything you buy, you buy a $50 game now and in year good luck getting $10 for it.
THAT is the true cost, and it's astronomical.
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Originally Posted by SF78
oh yeah like what?
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Originally Posted by Tanegashima
when you buy a couch for 500 dollars it's also worth shit in a few years. or a car, or a computer
Of course, if you never sell your stuff, this is a non-factor. And if you can keep it together for a few decades, those prices reverse and become high dollar again 15-20 years down the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanegashima
I agree, but in all fairness there's quite a bit more entropy with a car or a couch than there is with a CD.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
Not talking on a retail level, if you buy a good car new and drive it off the lot, a year later you'll have lost probably around 15-20% of it's value off the top and the depreciation will level off to about 5-10% for a few years after that and settle to around 40-50% of what you paid depending on condition, use etc.
A video game loses almost 80% of its value the second you buy it. That's pretty bad, a video game console is even worse. Within two or three years you'll have lost nearly 80% of what you paid. Maybe a decade or so later if you have something rare and sought after you'll get some of your money back but accounting for inflation even most of the rarest and expensive games are still worth quite a bit less than what they cost originally.
Take MUSHA, I paid $40 for a complete copy two years ago, I've seen some go for $70-$100...accounting for inflation if you bought the game new, you still lost your ass.
That's only if you're selling back to gamestop. Consider this - 2 or so weeks after a game is released, only $5 has been knocked off the resale price. Gamestop might only give you $20 for it, but its secondhand value is still at $50. you can still sell it online or on craigslist for a good price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanegashima
That's why I said I wasn't talking on a retail level, but losing 10% off the top and well over 60% within a year is pretty bad. Within 3-5 years good luck getting 10% of what you paid for most games
With the exception of Nintendo, 360 and PS3 games get cheaper in the b&m stores rather quickly after release. Wait a while and you'll be paying 1/3-1/2 of the original price. If you want to make your money back, sell them fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanegashima
Nintendo, on the other hand, never lowers their prices (unless you count the weak Selects Line) and the games tend to sell quite well. Every Wii and 3DS game I re-sold in the past year has given me at least what I paid for it. Come to think of it, each of those games were sold to people in Europe or South America.