NiGHTS into Dreams HD announced

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Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard

Did you imply that the only game system that isn't currently emulated is the 64DD?

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Well I did write "I can think of" for a reason :p There's probably an obscure handheld or two out there that were never emulated.. And of course there remains several arcade motherboards too freakish to emulate properly due to lack of documentation.

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Originally Posted by Pulstar

Well I did write "I can think of" for a reason :p There's probably an obscure handheld or two out there that were never emulated.. And of course there remains several arcade motherboards too freakish to emulate properly due to lack of documentation.

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As I recall, the original Tempest is too complicated to emulate because it's a freaking mess with countermeasures employed. Also:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P1CMR0i0gK...e%2BEnough.jpg

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Originally Posted by sheath

I have never once put one thought on what Nintendo did with their Zelda games before this moment. Please enlighten me. Also, please explain what real reverse engineering is and help me track down the origins of all official and unofficial emulators. That would make for an interesting article.

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Reverse Engineering specifically involves the process of taking apart a final product and devising a clone from what you learn disassembling it. There are degrees to which this is done - the most famous example is how clones of Intel's x86 processor were first made by using chemicals to peel apart the cpu layer by layer, studying the components under a microscope.

There are legalities revolving around reverse engineering, which is why there are degrees to which it's done, such as clean-room reverse engineering.

As for emulation, Sega famously purchased Kega and Giri Giri from the homebrew communities, but Nintendo does not do this. They develop their emulators in-house.

And for that you get karma sheath man! http://i48.tinypic.com/2ewmq6r.gif

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Originally Posted by Devil N

I'm not talking about emulation, I'm talking about a recent high-profile HD disc-based re-release of a PS2 game. There was an article recently about the creation of these HD remakes and one of the people interviewed explained that they really reverse engineered the compiled code from the original game disc and reworked that into a modern-day codebase. I'm not sure exactly which game that was, I'll have to dig through some game sites to find it again.

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Found it. It was the ICO/Shadow of the Colossus HD collection by Bluepoint, and they seem to imply that the same goes for the Metal Gear Solid HD collection:

http://www.1up.com/features/the-prob...pager.offset=2

Notice the remarks: "We take retail discs of the game and reverse engineer them. (...) We don't emulate any of this stuff, we hand convert it."

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So Sega could conceivably do this with Panzer Dragoon Saga, right?

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Originally Posted by jerry coeurl

So Sega could conceivably do this with Panzer Dragoon Saga, right?

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Anything is possible with software, but it would certainly require a lot of work. Not sure if Sega has the impetus right now to do such a thing. Not to mention, the number of active professional developers who are intimately familiar with Saturn machine code is probably not very high anymore. So gathering a team capable of pulling off a quality conversion of PDS would be a challenge in itself.

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Originally Posted by jerry coeurl

So Sega could conceivably do this with Panzer Dragoon Saga, right?

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Right after they get through milking their current "Nights" cow to death and toss it into the pit with the "Sonic" one.

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Originally Posted by Devil N

Anything is possible with software, but it would certainly require a lot of work. Not sure if Sega has the impetus right now to do such a thing. Not to mention, the number of active professional developers who are intimately familiar with Saturn machine code is probably not very high anymore. So gathering a team capable of pulling off a quality conversion of PDS would be a challenge in itself.

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Exactly, but what I was implying with my first comment is that if they simply have a well built emulator for the Saturn there would be no need to de-compile it to get the source code and rebuild the game. If the emulator is sufficiently accurate they could just load the ISOs of the game in the emulator and send it off. Obviously there would probably be some extra measures in there to make the emulator only load PDS on start and make it more seamless for a better experience, but all probably doable if they had a solid emulator for modern consoles.

What I didn't realize though is that this was just a port of an already released PS2 version. Sad to see another rehash, but Sega seems to be pushing digital downloads quite a lot these days.

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Originally Posted by Devil N

I'm not talking about emulation, I'm talking about a recent high-profile HD disc-based re-release of a PS2 game. There was an article recently about the creation of these HD remakes and one of the people interviewed explained that they really reverse engineered the compiled code from the original game disc and reworked that into a modern-day codebase. I'm not sure exactly which game that was, I'll have to dig through some game sites to find it again.

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Found it. It was the ICO/Shadow of the Colossus HD collection by Bluepoint, and they seem to imply that the same goes for the Metal Gear Solid HD collection:

http://www.1up.com/features/the-prob...pager.offset=2

Notice the remarks: "We take retail discs of the game and reverse engineer them. (...) We don't emulate any of this stuff, we hand convert it."

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I think Konami did that with the Silent Hill HD Collection as well, to apparently lesser results :/

Nights? I'm a huge Sega fan. But Nights? Ugg.

A franchise that need justice

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Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard

They didn't reverse engineer those games. They're emulated, with the emulator doing special shit like displaying beyond the bounds of a normal tv.

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How could they possibly emulate PS2 at full speed on a PS3? Not to mention rendering them in HD? There's no way those games are being emulated.

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Originally Posted by j_factor

How could they possibly emulate PS2 at full speed on a PS3? Not to mention rendering them in HD? There's no way those games are being emulated.

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While I don't think the game is emulated here to be doing this, the PS3 at one point, DID have a software PS2 emulator when Sony ditched the EE+GS chips in the PS3. But then later made the later models NOT even have that.. So it "can" do it.

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Originally Posted by Waterfaller

I think Konami did that with the Silent Hill HD Collection as well, to apparently lesser results :/

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From what I understand, the Silent Hill HD Collection was made from the original sources from Konami, but what they had on archive were only beta versions and not the final retail release sources. That meant they had to re-fix bugs that were never present in the original games.

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Originally Posted by TheSonicRetard

As for emulation, Sega famously purchased Kega and Giri Giri from the homebrew communities, but Nintendo does not do this. They develop their emulators in-house.

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Sega purchased Kega and Giri Giri? Wow, when did this happen? Not that I don't trust that statement, and I'm sure it has a legitimacy, but a link would be appreciated. The last time I checked, Steve Snake owns Kega and he is still accepting donations for it http://www.eidolons-inn.net/tiki-index.php?page=Kega.